Hot! All kind of sales Audi / BMW / Mercedes

[Mick Briesgau]

Might be and it’s Audi’s best car imo. Just the right size and it doesn’t scream FWD in its design like A8 and A4 do with their proportions.

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Indeed, it’s one of the very few FWD cars that actually doesn’t obviously look like one. Volvo V90 is another one. I’d take an A6 over an A8 anytime.

 

[leylandi]

 

[leylandi]

 

[leylandi]

A-B Class 266,700
1-2 Series 225,827

C-Class 334,400
3-4 Series 558,462

E-Class/EQE 346,800
5-6 Series 273,877

S-Class/EQS 107,400
7-8 Series 59,763

GLA/GLB/EQA/EQB 474,700
X1-X2 318,051

GLC 297,400
X3-X4 405,562

GLE/EQE SUV 251,200
X5-X6-iX 331,673

GLS/EQS SUV 96,400
X7 61,117

G-Class 42,700
XM 6,749

Mercedes is ahead in 6 segments and BMW is ahead in 3 segments. BMW has a great advantage in the D segment sedans, and Mercedes has a great advantage in the F segment. BMW is strong again in the E segment SUV market. Production problems of the D Segment SUV GLC caused sales to be lower than they should have been.

 

[kiki voinea]

A-B Class 266,700
1-2 Series 225,827

C-Class 334,400
3-4 Series 558,462

E-Class/EQE 346,800
5-6 Series 273,877

S-Class/EQS 107,400
7-8 Series 59,763

GLA/GLB/EQA/EQB 474,700
X1-X2 318,051

GLC 297,400
X3-X4 405,562

GLE/EQE SUV 251,200
X5-X6-iX 331,673

GLS/EQS SUV 96,400
X7 61,117

G-Class 42,700
XM 6,749

Mercedes is ahead in 6 segments and BMW is ahead in 3 segments. BMW has a great advantage in the D segment sedans, and Mercedes has a great advantage in the F segment. BMW is strong again in the E segment SUV market. Production problems of the D Segment SUV GLC caused sales to be lower than they should have been.

G class it's not a comparable segment , as this car is in it's own class. Single

It does not matter if it has part better sales in some segments

Overall , it lost the battle. THIS is what matters.

Stop with this "production problems" . It's stupid. We are way long over it.

This is not 2020 anymore.

 

[leylandi]

 

[kiki voinea]

Yea , that is what THEY say.

I don't buy that.

The 48V battery is used in MB . But you know where is also used in ?

All the other f**king brands. HOW did they manage to have it? (BMW , Audi , VW , blabla )

By the way , you do know not all GLC have the 48v mild hybrid system ?

And of course , NOT ALL GLC SOLD ARE MILD HYBRID ...

My guess is that they were late to the party, and placed the order at Bosch too late.

Not to mention that there is CATL and others on the market...

 

[leylandi]

Okay, continue not to believe.

You are making empty comments without any knowledge. The 48V batteries in E class and GLC are produced differently than the batteries in other Mercedes models. There was no such problem in other models. Bosch was responsible for production and there were problems. All engines in the GLC are produced as mild hybrids. How did you find out that it wasn't? There were no problems in the production of PHEV models. Mercedes produces these. We shared and discussed this news a lot in the forum. Didn't you see?

 

[dalab]

Okay, continue not to believe.

You are making empty comments without any knowledge. The 48V batteries in E class and GLC are produced differently than the batteries in other Mercedes models. There was no such problem in other models. Bosch was responsible for production and there were problems. All engines in the GLC are produced as mild hybrids. How did you find out that it wasn't? There were no problems in the production of PHEV models. Mercedes produces these. We shared and discussed this news a lot in the forum. Didn't you see?

Just like @kiki voinea says it's not 2020 anymore, blaming is for losers, it doesn't happen to others and in the end the one who goes to prison is Mercedes, Bosch is an invisible B2b for car buyers

A-B Class 266,700
1-2 Series 225,827

Here the difference is made by the CLA, I take my hat off

E-Class/EQE 346,800
5-6 Series 273,877

2024 will be the first full year (and not even complete) for BMW with its i5/5series

S-Class/EQS 107,400
7-8 Series 59,763

2024 will be the first full year for the 7 series

GLS/EQS SUV 96,400
X7 61,117

The comparison here is GLS vs X7, the difference between them is minimal

G-Class 42,700
XM 6,749

40 years in the market vs 8 months, 2024 first full year.

Overall , it lost the battle. THIS is what matters.

Exactly and for a quarter of a million cars difference without even counting Mini (that's half a million there)

I see the January / February 2024 sales starting with an even bigger beating, BMW +13% Mercedes -6.2% in Europe at least 20,000 cars difference in brands, 40,000 in groups, in just two months in a single region of the world.

And some defend Mercedes' evolutionary strategy...look at the C-Class, there are the figures that prove what I said, but I'm sure they will remain silent here about that.

 

[leylandi]

The comparison here is GLS vs X7, the difference between them is minimal

GLS 77K, X7 61K. Minimal?

 

[leylandi]

And some defend Mercedes' evolutionary strategy...look at the C-Class, there are the figures that prove what I said, but I'm sure they will remain silent here about that.

You can say the same for the 7 series

3 and 4 series are still the locomotive of BMW. Mercedes could not be as strong as them in this segment. Never. The C class has never exceeded 400 thousand units in annual sales.

 

[leylandi]

In terms of earnings, the Group’s EBIT for the full year increased significantly to €18,482 million, showcasing strong operational performance.

In 2023, our earnings before tax at Group level amounted to 17.1 billion euros.

 

[dalab]

GLS 77K, X7 61K. Minimal?

Much smaller than 97,000 vs 61,000

You can say the same for the 7 series

Noup, 2024 first full year for the 7 series

3 and 4 series are still the locomotive of BMW

Amen, my theory also applies to the G30 "the evolutionary" of it, made the W213 much more successful than that 5 series, now Mercedes falls into the same with W214, I think BMW will give you the advantage this time in the end

The C class has never exceeded 400 thousand units in annual sales.

I don't know, but it was always much more even, please look at the figures of the beautiful W205 vs its contemporary 3 series, I don't know if the Mercedes didn't beat it there.

*I don't see the sales of the SL anywhere, are they there?

 

[dalab]

In 2023, our earnings before tax at Group level amounted to 17.1 billion euros.

I just cited the source that is reliable and put the link, it must be some EBT adjustment or something like that.
In the end I see that they are stratospheric figures, for both companies.
Most of the others, some much larger, must look at them with great envy.

 

[leylandi]

Noup, 2024 first full year for the 7 series

*I don't see the sales of the SL anywhere, are they there?

The 7 series was available in most regions before 2024. just different engine options were added. Their sales volume is also low. There will be a small increase this year. 8 series sales are included in this figure. It should have been given separately. SL does not have total sales data. However, we know that a total of around 8 thousand were sold in Europe and the USA. Considering other regions, I think approximately 10 thousand units were sold. A similar number to the Z4.

 

[kiki voinea]

The 7 series was available in most regions before 2024. just different engine options were added. Their sales volume is also low. There will be a small increase this year. 8 series sales are included in this figure. It should have been given separately. SL does not have total sales data. However, we know that a total of around 8 thousand were sold in Europe and the USA. Considering other regions, I think approximately 10 thousand units were sold. A similar number to the Z4.

Speaking of the 7 series.

Remember when supply was "an issue" for the low volume of cars delivered?

We are in 2024 , and still act like it's "not a full year" , whatever that means ( I have seen this car on the road since late 2022 , but ok...)

And guess what , we are in 2024 and the demand is still far behind S class.

Can't blame supply in 2024. It's lame.

Same for GLC and 7 series

 

[leylandi]

Same for GLC and 7 series

No...The problem is not the inadequacy in parts supply, but the problem in production. There was no problem in production during the pandemic period. The problem was that not enough parts could be produced. GLC is the most popular model of Mercedes. Despite the model change, it was delivered in much smaller numbers than in 2022. It should have been sold as much as the total number of X3-X4. A simple market analysis confirms this.

 

[dalab]

The 7 series was available in most regions before 2024. just different engine options were added.

That's what I mean, first full year 2024

Their sales volume is also low. There will be a small increase this year.

You can't know that, you're guessing.

It should have been given separately. SL does not have total sales data. However, we know that a total of around 8 thousand were sold in Europe and the USA. Considering other regions, I think approximately 10 thousand units were sold. A similar number to the Z4.

Thanks for the info, they are lower than I thought

 

[leylandi]

That's what I mean, first full year 2024

It will be enough to look at the 4th quarter data to predict this year.

anks for the info, they are lower than I thought

Considering today's market conditions, this is a good number for an expensive convertible.

 

[leylandi]

Q4 2023 7-8 series 17,878 units
2024 total 70K units..

Assuming the 8 series will sell for around 10K, there will be around 60K for the 7 series.

G11 sales (excl 8 series)
2016 : 61,514
2017 : 64,311
2018 : 56,037
2019 : 50,552