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[leylandi]

I don't know if Mercedes does the same in the figures for the UK and Europe in general as in the figures for Germany, adding its Vito, Berlingo, etc. to the total figures, so the difference is then even greater (in Germany more than 3,000 units of those presented correspond to commercial vehicles/vans)

Citan 320
Sprinter 716
Vito 785

 

[dalab]

Citan 320
Sprinter 716
Vito 785

Conveniently you are missing the V class: 1640 units

 

[leylandi]

V class

passenger cars...

 

[dalab]

passenger cars...

Mercedes itself differentiates them as VANS.
But I forgot that it is no longer a luxury car company but rather a VANS and Mini VANS company, (conveniently in recent years because it is the only division that grew a little)

 

[leylandi]

It is a V class MPV. It is included in the Mercedes PKW product range. The websites are open to everyone. Find out the truth with a little research.

Mercedes-Benz Passenger Cars

A blend of luxury, sportiness and performance. Be it Saloon, Estate, Coupé, Cabriolet, Roadster, SUV and more. Experience the products from Mercedes-Benz.

www.mercedes-benz.co.uk

 

[dalab]

It is a V class MPV. It is included in the Mercedes PKW product range. The websites are open to everyone. Find out the truth with a little research.

So, to the very poor figures are added these Minibuses as luxury cars? lol, so the disaster is much bigger than I thought, embarrassing on Mercedes' part, to see if you understand how things are done to be No. 1, take a look at this fresh news:

BMW Is a Surprise Winner in Electric Vehicles

(March 9, 2024)
By Jack Ewing -Who covers the global auto industry from New York, traveled to Munich and Lisbon to report this story.

Once considered a laggard, the German luxury carmaker is one of only a few established automakers that has been able to compete effectively against Tesla.

As BMW car bodies glided down an assembly line in Munich recently, showered by sparks from robotic welders, it was hard to tell which vehicles would be powered by batteries, fuel-burning engines or both. In the view of many analysts, that is not a good thing.

The German automaker’s electric vehicles are made on the same assembly line as gasoline cars and look similar from the outside. That approach, using the same basic body for electric, hybrid, gasoline and diesel cars, has been viewed as an awkward and inefficient compromise some established carmakers have deployed as they struggle to compete with Tesla and emerging Chinese automakers that produce cars designed solely for battery power.

But confounding the pundits, BMW’s strategy has paid off. The company sold 376,000 electric vehicles last year, including some under its Mini brand, a 75 percent increase from the previous year. In the luxury segment, BMW was second only to Tesla, which remained dominant with 1.8 million cars. Electric vehicles accounted for 15 percent of BMW sales in 2023, up from 9 percent the previous year.

The company’s growth comes as sales of electric vehicles have risen at a slower pace overall around the world. What is even more surprising is that BMW, unlike General Motors or Ford Motor, made a profit on the electric vehicles it sold.

“We would lose our traditional customers if you would tell them, ‘You are part of the old world,’” Oliver Zipse, the chief executive of BMW, said in an interview, referring to people who still preferred combustion engine cars. “They would immediately defect.”

The luxury carmaker started the switch to electric vehicles with certain advantages.
The brand recently topped Consumer Reports’ ranking of auto brands that make the best vehicles for the second year in a row. Tesla was ranked 18th of the 34 brands on the list.

More in:

BMW Is a Surprise Winner in Electric Vehicles (Published 2024)

Once considered a laggard, the German luxury carmaker is one of only a few established automakers that has been able to compete effectively against Tesla.

www.nytimes.com

Elektroautos: New York Times sieht BMW als 'Surprise Winner'

Für die meisten etablierten Autobauer ist der aktuelle Trend zum Elektroauto eine Bedrohung, auf die eher widerwillig und mit einigen wenigen

www.bimmertoday.de

 

[leylandi]

The V class has always been included in the sales figures. You should save your meaningless conclusions elsewhere. @dalab

 

[dalab]

The V class has always been included in the sales figures. You should save your meaningless conclusions elsewhere. @dalab

Why? My conclusions about sales belong to this thread I think

 

[leylandi]

 

[dalab]

Full disclosure on March 21

The BMW Group has officially announced its achievements for the financial year 2023

In terms of earnings, the Group’s EBIT for the full year increased significantly to €18,482 million, showcasing strong operational performance.

The Automotive Segment, in particular, experienced a significant boost in EBIT, up by 22.1% from the previous year, driven by higher sales volumes, favorable product mix, and the full-year inclusion of BBA results.

The BMW Group has also made significant strides in reducing CO2 emissions, with its European fleet emitting 102.1 grams per kilometre of CO2, well below the European Union’s target of 128.5 grams per kilometer.

BMW Group reported a notable increase in vehicle deliveries, totaling 2,554,183 units,

 

[leylandi]

Full disclosure on March 21

The BMW Group has officially announced its achievements for the financial year 2023

In terms of earnings, the Group’s EBIT for the full year increased significantly to €18,482 million, showcasing strong operational performance.

The Automotive Segment, in particular, experienced a significant boost in EBIT, up by 22.1% from the previous year, driven by higher sales volumes, favorable product mix, and the full-year inclusion of BBA results.

The BMW Group has also made significant strides in reducing CO2 emissions, with its European fleet emitting 102.1 grams per kilometre of CO2, well below the European Union’s target of 128.5 grams per kilometer.

BMW Group reported a notable increase in vehicle deliveries, totaling 2,554,183 units,

Mercedes Group EBIT amounted to €19.7 billion

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media.mercedes-benz.com

 

[Rolf]

Gents this is the first month of the year sales. How do you know how they measured the sales numbers? The C-Class saw sales rise by 10% in 2023. So it definitely is not a sales flop. I expect the next few months to see sales number improvements at Mercedes as well.

 

[kiki voinea]

Mercedes Group EBIT amounted to €19.7 billion

What is with this "look at me I make more money" ?

This is awful for us , end consumers

Because mostly it means : Lower quality / Lower investments

The only thing that matters , IMO , is the numbers of cars sold.

Think like a client , not like a fanboy

 

[dalab]

Mercedes Group EBIT amounted to €19.7 billion

God for them

The buses, trucks, and those Berlingos with a Renaut engine pay off.....
Gone are the days when Mercedes made twice as many profits as BMW, today it is almost a technical tie and that is a company twice the size of the one in Bavaria.

Gents this is the first month of the year sales. How do you know how they measured the sales numbers? The C-Class saw sales rise by 10% in 2023.

Only Europe, Full year 2023 Mercedes is up 10% true, 10% not very relevant since it is its second year and first full year obviously there must be an increase, the point is that with that and everything it is 5,000 units below BMW 3 series already with its LCI in place a while ago, that is and always was the measure.

They have always been even with a certain small advantage for the 3, but with a new model like the W205 Mercedes usually took the lead temporarily, this has not been the case with the W206, not once.

Europe january 2024 It starts even worse, selling half that of the 3 series, even less than the i4/4 series, competitors but niche models, if we count that under "C-Class" there is also the C-Clas coupe, convertible, then you add the 4 series /i4 to the 3 series the total difference is dramatic

**
**Negative because change for the LCI

When even in Germany the C-Class (relatively new model) sells less than the 3 series (although it is only a few hundreds), there is a problem

So it definitely is not a sales flop. I expect the next few months to see sales number improvements at Mercedes as well.

In a few days (end of march) we will know how total sales are going, including the rest of the world in full 2023 and first quarter 2024.

Because mostly it means : Lower quality / Lower investments

Small detail:

More profts because you sell more with a lower margin (BMW), good for the customer
More profits when you sell less with a higher margin (Mercedes), bad for the customer
This is currently evident in for example, the quality of MB

 

[leylandi]

2023

Mercedes-Maybach 27,900
Mercedes-AMG 143,200
G-Class 42,700
GLS 77,900
S-Class 93,300

C-Class 334,400
E-Class 309,100
GLC 297,400
GLE 219,100

A-Class/CLA 245,100
B-Class 21,600
GLA 175,500
GLB 191,900

EQA 52,500
EQB 54,800
EQE 37,700
EQE SUV 32,100
EQS 14,100
EQS SUV 18,500

2022

A-Class 261,000 (2021: 290,100)
B-Class 29,100 (2021: 32,700)
GLA 158,100 (2021: 141,400)
GLB 164,100 (2021: 144,400)

C-Class 303,000 (2021: 239,000).
E-Class 302,700 (2021: 295,100)
GLC 369,200 (2021: 350,300)
GLE 200,100 (2021: 208,200).

S-Class 117,500 (2021: 91,100)
Mercedes-Maybach brand 23,400 (2021: 16,600)
Mercedes-AMG 137,700 (2021: 135,100)
G-Class 38,600 (2021: 40,500).
GLS 59,700 (2021: 61,700).

EQA 33,500 (2021: 24,800)
EQB 26,200 (2021: 900)
EQE Saloon 17,200
EQS Saloon 23,400 (2021: 2,500)

 

[leylandi]

Models with loss of sales : A-B-S class, GLC and EQS.

A and B series are not the models that Mercedes wants to sell. SUVs are the new trend.

Since the S class achieved incredible success the previous year, it slightly overshadowed the successful sales number in 2023.

It is clearly seen that GLC is affected by the 48V battery problem. In fact, it is Mercedes' best-selling car.

EQS is a real failure. No need to say more.

 

[dalab]

2023

Mercedes-Maybach 27,900
Mercedes-AMG 143,200
G-Class 42,700
GLS 77,900
S-Class 93,300

C-Class 334,400
E-Class 309,100
GLC 297,400
GLE 219,100

A-Class/CLA 245,100
B-Class 21,600
GLA 175,500
GLB 191,900

EQA 52,500
EQB 54,800
EQE 37,700
EQE SUV 32,100
EQS 14,100
EQS SUV 18,500

2022

A-Class 261,000 (2021: 290,100)
B-Class 29,100 (2021: 32,700)
GLA 158,100 (2021: 141,400)
GLB 164,100 (2021: 144,400)

C-Class 303,000 (2021: 239,000).
E-Class 302,700 (2021: 295,100)
GLC 369,200 (2021: 350,300)
GLE 200,100 (2021: 208,200).

S-Class 117,500 (2021: 91,100)
Mercedes-Maybach brand 23,400 (2021: 16,600)
Mercedes-AMG 137,700 (2021: 135,100)
G-Class 38,600 (2021: 40,500).
GLS 59,700 (2021: 61,700).

EQA 33,500 (2021: 24,800)
EQB 26,200 (2021: 900)
EQE Saloon 17,200
EQS Saloon 23,400 (2021: 2,500)

Good breakdown, thanks, can you pass the link?

Models with loss of sales : A-B-S class, GLC and EQS.

I didn't know that anti-lock brakes are sold as a separate class

A and B series are not the models that Mercedes wants to sell. SUVs are the new trend.

lol, they develop them for 3 years and invest a billion because they DON'T want to sell them, they don't sell well and that's it, well, the A-Class doesn't even that, it still sells very well, it just declined quite a bit

The B-Class is a disaster, the BMW 2 minivan kills it by the tens of thousands
The EQS has no salvation, it goes from bad to worse
The S-Class lost 25,000 sales that probably went to the 7 series due to his entry into the market, but 93,000 S's are also crazy high sales.

 

[leylandi]

https://group.mercedes-benz.com/documents/investors/reports/annual-report/mercedes-benz/mercedes-benz-annual-report-2023-incl-combined-management-report-mbg-ag.pdf

Good breakdown, thanks, can you pass the link?

 

[leylandi]

lol, they develop them for 3 years and invest a billion because they DON'T want to sell them, they don't sell well and that's it, well, the A-Class doesn't even that, it still sells very well, it just declined quite a bit

A and B Class are no longer important models. Current models will be discontinued at the end of their life.

 

[leylandi]

2 million cars and 400 thousand vans. trucks and buses are listed in a separate company. Profitability from automobiles is higher. BMW has an advantage here because it sells more cars, but Mercedes was able to make more money.

The buses, trucks, and those Berlingos with a Renaut engine pay off.....