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Betty why isn't the intentional sabotage theory disscussed in the media ? I am starting to think that all the conpirationnist theories aren't all that far fetched.
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All the news agencies I've seen have discussed at length the possibility of intentional sabotage.
However, CNN also discussed at length the possibility of the aircraft disappearing into a black hole.
I don't understand how people can happily accept a chain of extremely unlikely events such as the plane being shot down with the wreckage hidden, or being hacked and flown remotely to an island somewhere, yet they don't believe what the evidence clearly points towards.
Captain Zaharie Shah had made no social or professional plans after 8th March. He was reportedly having an affair with another woman. And his wife and children were believed to have moved out of the marital home the day before MH370 disappeared. Although not publicly revealed, police did tip off some journalists that they had found evidence of Zaharie practicing flying towards the Indian Ocean on his home flight simulator in the month before the disappearance.
hoffmeister_fan
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The underlined portion I was not aware of since after 6 weeks of following news, I just stopped. But the portion in bold, I thought that was disproven?
Slightly off topic, perhaps, but this alarm rang for 75 times in the cabin of ill fated Air France flight 447 and was in the very few last seconds of their lives that the captain Marc Dubois and the more experienced co-pilot David Robert finally got the vital information that the least experienced pilot Pierre Cédric-Bonin was stalling the Airbus A330.
It was at first but it seems the investigators delved deeper and in June some newspapers were reporting that police found evidence that he'd deleted some files on his computer which showed he had been practicing flying to a small Island in the Indian Ocean. Maybe he had planned to land it the aircraft rather than crash it, but his plan had failed. Who knows.
Any claims by his friends and family that he wouldn't have done this should really be taken with a pinch of salt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-southern-Indian-Ocean-on-home-simulator.html
Yep. It just demonstrates that humans are often the weakest link when it comes to aviation accidents. Three highly trained pilots managed to let a recoverable stall get out of control and allowed an aircraft to crash into the sea.
Possibly the most unbelievable crash caused by pilot error occurred last year in San Francisco when Asiana flight 214 crashed in perfect weather conditions after the pilots (four were on the flight deck) allowed the airspeed to decay significantly causing the aircraft to stall on final approach. Apparently a standard visual approach was too challenging for them, what with them being so used to automation on the flight deck. It's becoming a real problem.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
I've not heard whether that is fact or not, but the way they stuffed up what should have been a standard visual approach, in perfect flying conditions, whilst letting their airspeed drop enough that the aircraft stalled, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.
hoffmeister_fan
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OZ 214 crash is just the definition of being negligent. Truly upsetting.
And not just the pilots. One of the passengers, a young girl, survived the plane crash only to be killed by a fire truck which ran over her whilst she was injured on the ground.
Gianclaudio
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Matt, thanks for all the fascinating write up. Really enjoy reading all these informative, quality post of yours.
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So apparently the germanwings guy did it on purpose. If that's indeed suicide, then honestly i am lost for words.
Yep. But not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last. MH370 is a virtual certainty to be suicide too. It didn't come as a surprise to me once I saw the flight data from the Germanwings, and the aircraft's trajectory was revealed. It flew in a very linear manner straight into the mountain. There was only really going to be one reason for that to happen, especially with no MAYDAY call.
We controlled the Germanwings aircraft on it's flight TO Barcelona that morning and we were due to control it half an hour after it disappeared from radar. One of my colleague's husband knew the captain personally. It makes it very real.
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It is really murder. Mass murder in this case. I guess murder-suicide is the technical term.
It's very dramatic but it's not really any different to somebody going crazy with a gun and shooting people before shooting themselves. It's just more efficient.
Often the types of people prone to suicide are sociopaths and are very angry with the world for whatever reason. Elliot Rodger in Santa Barbara last year uploaded many videos to YouTube expressing his hatred at the fact that girls didn't seem attracted to him, and his lack of understanding as to why they preferred other guys.
To wonder why a pilot with a promising career in a job a lot of people would love to have would end it all, is to apportion logic to someone committing suicide, which obviously cannot be done.
Often the types of people prone to suicide are sociopaths and are very angry with the world for whatever reason. Elliot Rodger in Santa Barbara last year uploaded many videos to YouTube expressing his hatred at the fact that girls didn't seem attracted to him, and his lack of understanding as to why they preferred other guys.
To wonder why a pilot with a promising career in a job a lot of people would love to have would end it all, is to apportion logic to someone committing suicide, which obviously cannot be done.
hoffmeister_fan
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When I read that this morning, that truly made me queasy.
Betty, evidence so far supports that this looks to be murder-suicide. But based on the trajectory and other assorted data, can he possibly have passed out at the controls? Or was it that calculated in his approach that it strongly supports the murder-suicide theory?
They have found the voice recorder as what I last read, but have they found the flight data recorder?
EDIT: So it looks like the co-pilot denied the pilot access back in the cockpit as the co-pilot would override the pilot's access code. So that rules whether he was passed or not.
https://news.yahoo.com/andreas-lubitz--what-we-know-about-the-co-pilot-of-airbus-320-123246684.html
This is truly sad and sickening.
For me, as soon as I saw the way the aircraft descended, in a very linear manner at a normal rate of descent (forget what the media are saying. The aircraft DIDN'T descend with a "high rate"), and without ANY turn to the left or right, and without ANY mayday call, then it was one of two things. Pilot incapacitation due to a pressurisation problem, or it was a deliberate action.
A pressurisation problem made sense as far as there being no MAYDAY call, and also no attempt to turn the aircraft away from the high ground, but the relatively normal rate of descent didn't make ANY sense. Either they would have stayed at cruising altitude until the aircraft ran out of fuel because they've lost consciousness before they've had time to react, OR, they would have started a high rate of descent and THEN lost consciousness. Also, they would not have dialled in an altitude BELOW the minimum safe sector altitude, as then there is a risk of hitting high ground, so the aircraft would have levelled off before it descended too low.
Aircraft investigation is all about ruling nothing out and then gradually eliminating different scenarios until you're left with one. The only scenario that fitted the hypothesis based on the trajectory was that of a deliberate action by someone.
Only the cockpit voice recorder, which in this case is the most useful. A lot of the information on the behaviour of the aircraft, such as the height and rates of descent can be found on the radar data which will have been pulled from the recorders at the air traffic control centre. In this case, the flight data recorder won't really add anything to the investigation that we don't already know.
Had the cockpit voice recorder never been recovered, we may have had another MH370 on our hands.
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