Crown 2023 Toyota Crown Debuts

[Rolf]

These are the best looking Toyotas in recent memory, definitely not the usual conservative and boring designs. Very unique in your face and a little bit controversial. I like them a lot strangely, I don't normally say this about Toyota styling. The interior of the Crown saloon looks a bit like a Lexus, but it is slightly somber in all black with some gold thin strips. They could have added some more panel trim on the dash and doors to liven things up. At least the infotainment screen graphics has made a massive stride forward. It doesn't look 1980s anymore lol.

 

[Rolf]

The grey saloon has hints of Lucid Air at the front with the slim lights.

 

[duesy]

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not bad at all.

French cars, Ford and Toyota are really an attribute of #antidesign.

It’s fascinating how bad it is, they must be using an algorithm…

 

[dalab]

Surprise, when I saw the crossover I thought that they had discarded the sedan, they were always representative vehicles and very high quality, I did not know that they were sold in the USA and in the EU

In a country I lived in, there were only 30 of these, all white only, exclusively imported for the diplomatic corps of the embassies, and with license plates "DC 1", "DC 2", Etc, for which you got the idea that they were the aristocracy of the cars

 

[vazirncars]

To me, design standards are set by both German and French manufacturers . Didn't see any trend design set by Asian manufacturers or American (imo)

Pffft...I guess you never heard of the Italians. Open an atlas, look at some real design heritage books. If BMW makes monstrosities, it's not a "design standard" - it's just bad, tasteless sheetmetal forming.

 

[Grosser]

Pffft...I guess you never heard of the Italians. Open an atlas, look at some real design heritage books. If BMW makes monstrosities, it's not a "design standard" - it's just bad, tasteless sheetmetal forming.

I know, but I'm talking about recent years...

 

[duesy]

I see both copy each others design, no doubt about that. Some manufacturers more, some less but I don't know what he meant by "antidesign"...
To me, design standards are set by both German and French manufacturers . Didn't see any trend design set by Asian manufacturers or American (imo)

Honda had some of the best mass-market designs in the 1990s. American manufacturers had an entire design language of their own until recently. And yes, the French have produced some of the icons of automotive history; Renault was the most avant-garde European maker in the late 90s-early 2000s. This is not to mention the Italian design houses that literally created German icons such as the Golf.

 

[Special]

 

[Special]

This is really refreshing.
I like it a lot

 

[Gor134]

The Crown Sedan is immaculate. Now the Crown Cross.. yeesh. So unfortunate the US will most likely not get the Crown Sedan.

 

[Merc1]

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[Sunny]

French cars, Ford and Toyota are really an attribute of #antidesign.

It’s fascinating how bad it is, they must be using an algorithm…

I would have said the same about recent BMWs. It is like car designers gone "Breaking bad".

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Sure they do

This is where BMW's quad headlight come in, right??

BMW desing head himself claims the French were 5 years ahead of what they were doing...

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Must explain why the rear of the new 7 looks like a Citroen.

However if the M4 CSL detail is an indication of things to come, then good on him.

 

[KiwiRob]

Surprise, when I saw the crossover I thought that they had discarded the sedan, they were always representative vehicles and very high quality, I did not know that they were sold in the USA and in the EU

In a country I lived in, there were only 30 of these, all white only, exclusively imported for the diplomatic corps of the embassies, and with license plates "DC 1", "DC 2", Etc, for which you got the idea that they were the aristocracy of the cars

We had the Crown in NZ until the very early 80's, then the Cressida took over in 84, this lasted 2 model generations until Toyota stopped selling large RWD sedans in NZ.

 

[martinbo]

We had the Crown in NZ until the very early 80's, then the Cressida took over in 84, this lasted 2 model generations until Toyota stopped selling large RWD sedans in NZ.

It was the same here in SA and so I presume the rest of the world. Toyota replaced the charismatic Cressida (who can forget the sublime 2.8i) with the bland albeit bulletproof Camry and that was the end of RWD Toyota sedans in this country.

 

[Special]

 

[J.E]

I like it.

I might regret saying this, but I think it's going to be a hot seller for Toyota.

 

[dalab]

We had the Crown in NZ until the very early 80's, then the Cressida took over in 84, this lasted 2 model generations until Toyota stopped selling large RWD sedans in NZ.

According to the models for markets it has always been a bit confusing for me, different countries, in some the Corona rules, sharing with the Cressida above it, on the other hand the Crown (which I haven't seen since the 80s), and the Camry that is "only" USA), so these last three are very similar and I never knew who was above who.

When I saw the first picture of this I thought it was the Camry.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

So this is seen to be replacing the Avalon in the NA market, a car that often appealed to older folks. One advantage of the jacked-up stance is that it'll provide a nice ingress and egress for them. Except for the awkward AMC Eagle-inspired height (and those reverse lights), it's not a terrible prospect for what it is.

Is this based on their RWD-based or FWD-based TNGA architecture?

 

[Gor134]

So this is seen to be replacing the Avalon in the NA market, a car that often appealed to older folks. One advantage of the jacked-up stance is that it'll provide a nice ingress and egress for them. Except for the awkward AMC Eagle-inspired height (and those reverse lights), it's not a terrible prospect for what it is.

Is this based on their RWD-based or FWD-based TNGA architecture?

This is on the fwd TNGA-K platform. The Crown Sedan revealed in their big launch day will be on the TNGA-L most likely but not sold in US