7 Series (G70) 2023 (MY) BMW 7-Series (G70/G71) Spyshots

[Mick Briesgau]

I think BMW is going to achieve a landslide victory in the targeted class, this time around with the G70.

It will not be easy to beat it's eternal competitor, but....
- it will have up-to-date internal combustion engines and what's more, BMW have said to develop them further in future, which MB has said, they will not;
- it will have an electric counterpart, the i7, that will not rub off in a negative way (designwise) on the normal 7er;
- MB wasn't focused in developing the new S class/W223, because they were dividing there attention between S and EQS. Even worse, most S class buyers have noticed it. BMW don't seem to have this problem;
- the quality of the car as such, especially the interior, has deteriorated going from the W222 to W223. Apparently, as per @EnI , this isn't the case with the transition G11 -> G70;
- it's design seems to have loads character, which one may or may not like, but will not leave you untouched. In that respect, it will have more distinctiveness than the current, somewhat bland looking, S class.

Time will tell...

 

[fortuner]

Nice to have your input @EnI a genuine person with knowledge not that other bullshitter.

@Mick Briesgau I have spoken to a friend in SA who now has done 15 k on his new sclass and has owned all S since the W126.

his opinion is the New one is a much better car then the previous gen he said it looks more fresh and sportier yet elegant. He loves the interior I asked him about quality he said he doesn’t see anything to complain about compared to his previous one which he still has and I may buy it if I move to SA.

Even @Mr. Mercedes has a S class at home he seems very happy with his car.

I think you just going through a bad phase with Mercedes but I don’t think the S is as bad as you making it to be.

 

[leylandi]

BMW fans say they will crush the S-series this time before every new 7-series comes out, but it doesn't. It won't happen this time either.

 

[SCOTT27]

How is the S-Klasse doing sales wise against its internal competition?
The EQS.
That’s far more important than 7 and i7.

 

[fortuner]

BMW fans say they will crush the S-series this time before every new 7-series comes out, but it doesn't. It won't happen this time either.

S class not S series.?

 

[dalab]

I think BMW is going to achieve a landslide victory in the targeted class,

but it doesn't. It won't happen this time either.

How is the S-Klasse doing sales wise against its internal competition?

S class not S series.?

Whether it happens or not (it will happen), the point for Mercedes is precisely the internal sales since they have two vehicles doing the work of one (in the case of BMW) and obviously BMW would earn more with the savings in development.

The figures that would justify the EQS would be that around 50,000 are sold every year plus the 50,000/60,000 average of the S class.
I do not believe in any case that they lose money, only that they have spent a lot and earned less.
We will have to follow the sales of the iQS vs EQ7 and those of the 7 class vs S series

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Whether it happens or not (it will happen), the point for Mercedes is precisely the internal sales since they have two vehicles doing the work of one (in the case of BMW) and obviously BMW would earn more with the savings in development.

The figures that would justify the EQS would be that around 50,000 are sold every year plus the 50,000/60,000 average of the S class.
I do not believe in any case that they lose money, only that they have spent a lot and earned less.
We will have to follow the sales of the iQS vs EQ7 and those of the 7 class vs S series

Annual S class sales must be higher. In the second and third year they usually reach almost 100 k.

 

[dalab]

Annual S class sales must be higher. In the second and thirth year they usually reach almost 100 k.

, But not this time, (I guess), for the simple reason that the EQS cannibalized it in part.
And the 7 will cannibalize them both ?

 

[EnI]

OK, don't get carried away, guys.

Mercedes-Benz brand carries great cache, and MB products are top-notch - especially the top-end models. The sales will be fine. For both model, S-class (incl Maybach) and EQS.

 

[fortuner]

, But not this time, (I guess), for the simple reason that the EQS cannibalized it in part.
And the 7 will cannibalize them both ?

lol Mercedes don’t have enough chips to deliver the S class that’s why they even delaying the AMG version. Some of the dreams people have in here lol. Yes the 7 will be amazing I am sure. So far we know the front is going to be controversial right. Interior is going to be like the IX the way some of you going on here you would think the 7 is going to be some radical new S class killer. Just chill and let’s see the car launch before we the organisms start ?

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

Nice to have your input @EnI a genuine person with knowledge not that other bullshitter.

@Mick Briesgau I have spoken to a friend in SA who now has done 15 k on his new sclass and has owned all S since the W126.

his opinion is the New one is a much better car then the previous gen he said it looks more fresh and sportier yet elegant. He loves the interior I asked him about quality he said he doesn’t see anything to complain about compared to his previous one which he still has and I may buy it if I move to SA.

Even @Mr. Mercedes has a S class at home he seems very happy with his car.

I think you just going through a bad phase with Mercedes but I don’t think the S is as bad as you making it to be.

My opinion doesn't count because my daddy paid for HIS S-class.

The W223 has been far from perfect, and I have a lot to add on this point, but it is not the quality disaster it's portrayed to be and it is a better car than the W222 in many respects. You want to see a quality disaster, look no further than the W206. An amazingly capable car destroyed by a sub par interior in so many respects.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

OK, don't get carried away, guys.

Mercedes-Benz brand carries great cache, and MB products are top-notch - especially the top-end models. The sales will be fine. For both model, S-class (incl Maybach) and EQS.

I wish you were right Eni. But the W206 is a clear indication things are not right at Mercedes.

I have always suspected the i7 is going to destroy the EQS and it will likely take a big chunk of S-class sales. MB was right to have a two pronged strategy from a technical point of view, but what they have delivered in terms of the EQS is not up to standard to run alongside the likes of an S-class. It is not an electric S in design or packaging.

 

[Merc1]

The thing about these destroy arguments is that they never happen. There is room for all these cars in the segment and we haven’t even seen the BMW yet. It’s speculative nonsense.

M

 

[leylandi]

2021 sales

 

[Deleted member 57437]

The German "Big 3" (or should we include Porsche with its' upcoming electric luxury offerings?) battle for luxury segment supremacy will be fascinating. All the more intriguing will be the factor that all competitiors will differ significantly in terms of the proportions of their architecture. "One Bow" versus classic 3-Box versus suspected crossover themes blending sedoupe, shooting brake and sport activity elements. The "winner" ? Perhaps ALL.

 

[Merc1]

Consumer is the ultimate winner.

M

 

[Big Sam]

One man bleating endlessly on an internet forum because he doesn't like the latest S-Class isn't going to define its success. LOL.

 

[MAJESTIC]

One man bleating endlessly on an internet forum because he doesn't like the latest S-Class isn't going to define its success. LOL.

I guess if you repeat something enough times, it will eventually happen.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

One man bleating endlessly on an internet forum because he doesn't like the latest S-Class isn't going to define its success. LOL.

I guess if you repeat something enough times, it will eventually happen.

Gold!

 

[klier]

The thing about these destroy arguments is that they never happen. There is room for all these cars in the segment and we haven’t even seen the BMW yet. It’s speculative nonsense.

M

Not to mention, most of the S class clientele has been driving this exact car for decades and is not going to change for trivial stuff. Hotels, companies, whatever...they're invested in the brand, dealer, service, etc. And that is not going to change that because there is a piece of hard plastic somewhere inside or because the good people of GCF think the quality is subpar.