IS/RC 2020 Lexus IS

While it'd be nice, I am doubtful. I think this a level that Lexus is comfortable in competing in. Perhaps if there's an RC successor....
Agreed; that V8 gave me the fizz and got me all excited. Also knowing that this is Lexus; I’m a little happy that this may be the V8 swan song in a B segment car, being that it may very we’ll be the most reliable one of the lot!
 
Agreed; that V8 gave me the fizz and got me all excited. Also knowing that this is Lexus; I’m a little happy that this may be the V8 swan song in a B segment car, being that it may very we’ll be the most reliable one of the lot!

Yeah, this is a long-term keeper. I like the design, aggressive but not over-the-top for a modern-day Lexus. Interior is antiquated as all get-out, but it'll last. Will do a deeper-dive regarding the other oily bits later, but apparently this is N. American only.
 
Lexus Enthusiast said:
Lexus Enthusiast: Can you tell us a bit more about the hierarchy of F products now? We have F SPORT, F SPORT Performance Line, and F… Is this a three-tiered approach to performance where all-out performance cars will still be “F” at the top of the range? Or is F Sport Performance Line a replacement for F?

Lexus: Great question. The IS 500 will be the first model to debut the Lexus F SPORT Performance line. F SPORT Performance models will be positioned between current Lexus F SPORT models, like the IS 350 F SPORT, and F models, like the RC F.

While current F SPORT models are denoted by upgraded performance components honed at the track (e.g., sport tuned suspension, limited-slip differential, race-inspired styling), new F SPORT Performance models will be further upgraded with those components and a high output powertrain.

As the highest expression of power and performance, F will continue to receive our most innovative engineering and advanced driver-inspired technology.

So Lexus still plans to make F cars, just this "new" IS is too old for a full F version, F Sport Performance, is a stopgap. While Lexus has been in "stop gap" for 10 years, it is good to see they still have not given up as Infiniti and now Jaguar.
 
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This car i a mini Toyota Avalon, interior is outdated.

Don't know what is all the hype about the V8, its not even as fast as the 340M while consuming more fuel, and as per my experience with driving the 340M, its very much smooth.

even if there will be IS F, I think it will be disappointment just like the blacking Cadillac.


1 thing which I like about Lexus, they do have 1 of the most quit and comfortable cars, not to mention their high reliability.
 
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This car i a mini Toyota Avalon, interior is outdated.

Don't know what is all the hype about the V8, its not even as fast as the 340M while consuming more fuel, and as per my experience with driving the 340M, its very much smooth.

even if there will be IS F, I think it will be disappointment just like the blacking Cadillac.


1 thing which I like about Lexus, they do have 1 of the most quit and comfortable cars, not to mention their high reliability.
The sound of this V8 is other worldly. Plus naturally aspirated. Plus high reliability. Plus stress free motoring. Also the IS platform has been a great driving platform. This will be a spectacular car to drive. Not everything has to go from 0-60 in 0.5 sec ;)
 
There is no new IS F. That is why this is just a IS 500, because it is not competitive. It is just for those that want the last NA V8 sedan while they can yet get it. (Or buy a used M3 E9X or C63 AMG W204 or Audi RS4 B8).
 
The future of the IS depends on some factors, because from what I remember reading, 2023 in terms of a fully new IS was deck as of spring 2019, but not for 2021. Somehow I think the Belgian source said he does not know if the plans changed, as he is no longer working for Toyota Europe.

Usually in Belgium, they use CY and not MY. That sounded like new for MY 2024, launched in 2023.

But wow did they get it done with IS 500. Haha, I guess it counts for something, since the LS started with V8 in 1989 (although ES 250 was V6). MB (sadly) doesn't owe anyone a V8 C-Class, because they didn't begin with V8s (nor did IS nameplate).

2023MY C63 will probably trounce this is in performance, but will it feel more like fancy WRX STI? Can't go wrong with a naturally aspirated V8.

Looks like V35A-FTS just doesn't fit in New N platform (used by L10 GS, XE30 IS, and XC10 RC).

BTW, RC coupe is going to die toward MY 2023. Also, apparently Lexus had trademarked GS500F at the last minute in the mid-2000s, but due to customer pressure, insisted on calling it GS-F. They should've stuck with it, as the GS-F was a semi-stillborn project from 3rd generation car (there's a 2000s proposal in photos I cannot find).
 
V8s are making their last stand: C63 Sedan going out of production but the Coupe/Cabriolet stay around a little longer, but the IS500, CT5 V Blackwing, Ghibli & Quattroporte Trofeo, Wrangler V8, and the upcoming V8 Land Rover Defender are all new models. Add those to all the existing ones you still have a lot of choices for V8 power. If the V8 is dying it is going out with a bang.


M
 
It's a charming, old school muscle saloon that's not in any way forward thinking but instead panders to the emotional side of old-fashioned ICE driver appeal.
If the GS F is anything to go by (I hear it's a very good steer) then this IS 500 is going to be a peach of a driver's car. Moreover, if an atmospheric V8, RWD with Torsen LSD doesn't indicate what this car is all about then look elsewhere.

Sure, criticism will be levelled at the old fashioned interior but distinction needs to be made between User Interface and Driver Interface. In the case of the latter it's all about pedals, steering wheel and gear selector(s). The User Interface is secondary; inside you can still make it warmer, make it cooler, turn the music up, turn it down and even call grandma. Many cars have got great User Interfaces now but precious few have truly great Driver Interfaces.

As we enter the twilight for non-electrified ICE automobiles, it's nice to see a company like Toyota making a proper send-off of it. GR Yaris and now Lexus IS 500 - hell yeah!
 
It's a charming, old school muscle saloon that's not in any way forward thinking but instead panders to the emotional side of old-fashioned ICE driver appeal.
If the GS F is anything to go by (I hear it's a very good steer) then this IS 500 is going to be a peach of a driver's car. Moreover, if an atmospheric V8, RWD with Torsen LSD doesn't indicate what this car is all about then look elsewhere.

Sure, criticism will be levelled at the old fashioned interior but distinction needs to be made between User Interface and Driver Interface. In the case of the latter it's all about pedals, steering wheel and gear selector(s). The User Interface is secondary; inside you can still make it warmer, make it cooler, turn the music up, turn it down and even call grandma. Many cars have got great User Interfaces now but precious few have truly great Driver Interfaces.

As we enter the twilight for non-electrified ICE automobiles, it's nice to see a company like Toyota making a proper send-off of it. GR Yaris and now Lexus IS 500 - hell yeah!
Don’t forget the almost banshee like wail from this motor. I believe this is the same engine that the LC line uses and that hung sounds divine. The OPF successor to the LFA
 
The future of the IS depends on some factors, because from what I remember reading, 2023 in terms of a fully new IS was deck as of spring 2019, but not for 2021. Somehow I think the Belgian source said he does not know if the plans changed, as he is no longer working for Toyota Europe.

Usually in Belgium, they use CY and not MY. That sounded like new for MY 2024, launched in 2023.

BTW, RC coupe is going to die toward MY 2023. Also, apparently Lexus had trademarked GS500F at the last minute in the mid-2000s, but due to customer pressure, insisted on calling it GS-F. They should've stuck with it, as the GS-F was a semi-stillborn project from 3rd generation car (there's a 2000s proposal in photos I cannot find).

So no next-gen RC replacement and no news on whether the next-gen IS will truly be Mazda-based or not?
 
Not true. The RCF is continuing till 2022 with the track edition (Fuji speedway edition). This powertrain was originally designed for the RCF so once RCF is done, this powertrain will die with it. It is near its end of lifecycle.

This IS500 F-Sport is positioned to be cheaper than RCF, which is why it is an F-Sport. It has the 472 HP RCF engine. However, it is missing a lot of the F-specific track hardware from the RCF. That is why it is an F-Sport and not an ISF. Most prominently, the transmission is from the IS350 RWD (8 speed) and not from the RCF unit.

Here is what the IS500 F-Sport does not have what the RCF has, which is why it is not an ISF

- Forged BBS hand alumium hand polished wheels (it has Enkei and they are 9 x 10 instead of 9.5 x 10.5)
- Smaller contact patch with 235/255 Pirelli P-Zero (RCF gets 255/275 with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S and a wider rear axle).
- Brembo brakes 6 pistons front and 4 pistons rear (F-Sport has larger brakes than the IS350 F-Sport, but not BBK).
- Interior does not have the seats from the RCF (and the GSF).
- Missing the F gauge cluster (it has the standard IS350 cluster).
- Chassis reinforcements/rigidity and strengthening (bracings in the hood, trunk, doors, sills etc.)
- Does not have the cooling systems for consistent hotlapping around the track (transmission, engine, brake, oil coolers).
- Does not have the suspension elements specific to F-cars and TVD.

It is clear Lexus is targetting m340i, C43, Acura TLX Type S etc It will start under $60K, is my guess. All of these weigh similarly around 3900 lbs, but the IS500 F-Sport has 100+ HP on them, but they have AWD so IS500 F-Sport will be the hooligan's car. It will be mostly focused on driving fun and powerslides at a cheaper price than the F cars. Since the rear end is more easy to break loose with narrow axle and smaller contact patch, I think a lot of people would enjoy power oversteering it through turns.


The future of the IS depends on some factors, because from what I remember reading, 2023 in terms of a fully new IS was deck as of spring 2019, but not for 2021. Somehow I think the Belgian source said he does not know if the plans changed, as he is no longer working for Toyota Europe.

Usually in Belgium, they use CY and not MY. That sounded like new for MY 2024, launched in 2023.

But wow did they get it done with IS 500. Haha, I guess it counts for something, since the LS started with V8 in 1989 (although ES 250 was V6). MB (sadly) doesn't owe anyone a V8 C-Class, because they didn't begin with V8s (nor did IS nameplate).

2023MY C63 will probably trounce this is in performance, but will it feel more like fancy WRX STI? Can't go wrong with a naturally aspirated V8.

Looks like V35A-FTS just doesn't fit in New N platform (used by L10 GS, XE30 IS, and XC10 RC).

BTW, RC coupe is going to die toward MY 2023. Also, apparently Lexus had trademarked GS500F at the last minute in the mid-2000s, but due to customer pressure, insisted on calling it GS-F. They should've stuck with it, as the GS-F was a semi-stillborn project from 3rd generation car (there's a 2000s proposal in photos I cannot find).
 
If this under 60K to start I’m going to be in trouble.

M
 

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