Vs 2013 Bentley CGT W12 vs. BMW M6

[Guibo]

At no point in my debate did I claim BMW were fraudulent, definitely opportunistic with their prices policy that is a given but how in earth can it be fraudulent?

I fully accept that if they want to price like this and people are still willing to pay through the nose then power to them but it doesn't make it right or just.

P.S.
I just find it laughable that you are even defending this type of pricing policy because it is probably pushing the 6 series out of the reach of true ethusiasts and solely into the hands of those who have the means to buy what ever they want.

Your claim all along had been that people who buy the 6er are dupes. In order to be tricked, wouldn't that mean BMW is promising one thing but delivering something else?

If you fully accept it, and that is indeed the way the free exchange of money for goods has worked for centuries, then on what grounds do you claim that it is wrong or unjust?

Erm...since when has the 6 series been in reach of the true enthusiasts?? I don't know how much the E24 M6 retailed for in the UK, but in the US it was $55,950. In today's money, that's over $105,000!
While you're looking back through rose-tinted glasses at "average guys" driving E24 M6s, check these prices in Germany:
1984
M635CSi - 91.250 DM
Mercedes 500 SEC - 91.411 DM
Porsche 928S - 87.650 DM
Jaguar XJS V12 coupe - 79.880 DM
Ferrari 308 GTBi Quattrovalvole - 95.300 DM
Maserati BiTurbo 2.5 - 54.900 DM
Audi Ur-Quattro 2.2 - 75.915 DM
1987
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.2 - 80.500 DM

The precursor to the E24, the E9 3.0CS cost £5345 in 1974, which is not far off from a V12 Jaguar. True enthusiast? What do you even mean by that? If it's a sporty driving characteristic you're looking for with regard to money, BMW has never offered that over non-premium marques (a Datsun 240Z with an inline-6 like the 3.0CS but with rack-and-pinion steering cost £2,288 when introduced in the 70s). Sounds like you're off on another shitty tangent again...

 

[Sunny]

@Sunny, I fully understand the differences between the 5 and 6 series and in no way am I suggesting they are stupid for not taking the 5 when they don't want 4 doors.

What you don't understand is, I was pointing out the irony of some one who claims to have spend 60k on a M3 knowing well he doesn't like high revving engines then turning around and calling others foolish for spending an extra 20k on a M6 over a M5.

 

[Deckhook]

^ I told you the last time you brought that you were wrong yet you insist on using it. Either you don't listen or your recond needle is stuck.... which is it?

 

[Sunny]

Hmmm, get out of your delusional world, just cause you say something is wrong, doesn't make it so. And just like you insist on your rights to call people buying an M6 a fool or a mog or whatever, I insist on my right to call a person who buys a car knowing well he doesn't like one of it's defining characters a fool. Deal with it.

 

[LAdoc2b]

I just recently sat in a 2013 650i xdrive, with the M-sport pack. The interior was beautiful...Piano black trim and white premium leather contrasted in tasteful black stitching - while the dash was wrapped in a subtle and artistically contoured black leather, seamlessly flowing into the side door panels. It felt luxurious. I've never been impressed by BMW interiors before. I stand corrected now. To those whom the M6 seems a bit pedestrian, you can opt to get individual trims on the M6 as well, to suit your taste, ranging from reds and rich browns, metals, woods, etc.

The Bentley won't handle like the M6. Yes, the Bentley exudes class and the interior is beautiful, the attention to detail is staggering. 36 hours are spent on the construction and placement of the steering wheel alone...but the exterior is clunky. Whereas the M6 is aesthetically pleasing but masculine, and it posses a ferocious character underneath. For my money, M6 all the way!!!

1) purchase a 2013 BMW M6 loaded to the max @ approx $130k. 2) Lease a 2013 Range Rover Supercharged. Both vehicles are stunning, more practical and together, cost as much as that fatty Bentley.

 

[Merc1]

I just recently sat in a 2013 650i xdrive, with the M-sport pack. The interior was beautiful...Piano black trim and white premium leather contrasted in tasteful black stitching - while the dash was wrapped in a subtle and artistically contoured black leather, seamlessly flowing into the side door panels. It felt luxurious. I've never been impressed by BMW interiors before. I stand corrected now. To those whom the M6 seems a bit pedestrian, you can opt to get individual trims on the M6 as well, to suit your taste, ranging from reds and rich browns, metals, woods, etc.

The Bentley won't handle like the M6. Yes, the Bentley exudes class and the interior is beautiful, the attention to detail is staggering. 36 hours are spent on the construction and placement of the steering wheel alone...but the exterior is clunky. Whereas the M6 is aesthetically pleasing but masculine, and it posses a ferocious character underneath. For my money, M6 all the way!!!

1) purchase a 2013 BMW M6 loaded to the max @ approx $130k. 2) Lease a 2013 Range Rover Supercharged. Both vehicles are stunning, more practical and together, cost as much as that fatty Bentley.

Love this post! The Bentley would be such an aspirational vehicle if it weren't for the frog looking VWish looking design.


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[mini_cooper4]

I just recently sat in a 2013 650i xdrive, with the M-sport pack. The interior was beautiful...Piano black trim and white premium leather contrasted in tasteful black stitching - while the dash was wrapped in a subtle and artistically contoured black leather, seamlessly flowing into the side door panels. It felt luxurious. I've never been impressed by BMW interiors before. I stand corrected now. To those whom the M6 seems a bit pedestrian, you can opt to get individual trims on the M6 as well, to suit your taste, ranging from reds and rich browns, metals, woods, etc.

The Bentley won't handle like the M6. Yes, the Bentley exudes class and the interior is beautiful, the attention to detail is staggering. 36 hours are spent on the construction and placement of the steering wheel alone...but the exterior is clunky. Whereas the M6 is aesthetically pleasing but masculine, and it posses a ferocious character underneath. For my money, M6 all the way!!!

1) purchase a 2013 BMW M6 loaded to the max @ approx $130k. 2) Lease a 2013 Range Rover Supercharged. Both vehicles are stunning, more practical and together, cost as much as that fatty Bentley.

I love that post too! If you are new to the forum then... Welcome, please post more often!

 

[K-A]

Love this post! The Bentley would be such an aspirational vehicle if it weren't for the frog looking VWish looking design.


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I feel the new GT is somehow a lot better at hiding that fact, but yeah it would be perhaps the hottest car out there if it wasn't so unabashedly VW especially with those awful inherent FWD proportions.

The previous GT is such a polarizing car to me, because sometimes WHEN HEAVILY MODDED it just can look so stunning, and show so much POTENTIAL, but most of the time it looks so stubby and compact and awkwardly proportined, literally like a Volkswagen with nice lipstick on. I can't ever make up my true mind on that car.

 

[JHF]

Bentley doesn't even competes with the M6. But still I'll take the Bentley. Bling Bling

 

[Deckhook]

I feel the new GT is somehow a lot better at hiding that fact, but yeah it would be perhaps the hottest car out there if it wasn't so unabashedly VW especially with those awful inherent FWD proportions.

Funny I always seen its proportions as spot on in side profile.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Funny I always seen its proportions as spot on in side profile.

The CGT was never an ugly car in my eyes... I think it's beautiful even tho it's now old.
The only problem is that it's as common as an S-Class in here...
The Flying Spur on the other hand is IMO the most beautiful limousine in the world and my all time favorite

 

[K-A]

Funny I always seen its proportions as spot on in side profile.

Something about the new one just sits so much more right than the old one. Still, I find the proportions aren't as "stretched out" as I'd like them (notice how close the front wheel well is to the front door), as when you look at a 6 Series or 5-Series, you see such a long and sprawled out stance with wheels pushed far toward the front.

Did they change the chassis of the new GT or is in on the exact same dimensions? The way they tightened up and subtly sharpened up the design really goes a long way. A real class act in how to do a subtle facelift that has an almost subconscious effect on you, therefore being good enough to want over the previous one yet not bastardize the previous one and further iconicize the CGT line.

 

[Deckhook]

^I honestly don't know if proportions have changed with the new one but for me personally I'm not a huge fane of the front wheels pushed too far forward, it has the effect of making the bonnet appear stretched. Hey we all don't have to agree on every aspect of design otherwise we'd be all driving the exact same car.

For me the Bentley's image is something the M6 can never achieve, its got the kind of kudos that's the reserve of very few brands.

 

[Merc1]

The Bentley is just plain ugly to me, with the new one being slightly better looking overall. It looks like a VW Beetle in shape and in the front fenders. I would rather have an Aston or Maser at this price level, though the Bentley is easily the better car objectively. Maser and Aston just don't have the engineering might of VW. I like the M6 and RR solution better as stated.

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