1972 BMW 2800 E3


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Hi vintage fans, I've found this stunning car in Cape Town for sale for only R95,000 (about $7,500). I've surprised myself as I'm usually drawn to new cars, but this specimen is a gem I would love to own. I love the colour and the interior/exterior looks in great condition.

It feels like the genesis to the 5er, but I can't find any reference to this on Wikipedia. My question is, was the E3 a stand alone model? Research I found says it was launched as BMW's "6 cylinder range".

Which model from MB did it compete with?

Thanks in advance!
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Nice write-up:

Almost always eclipsed by the later 3.0, history has forgotten BMW's 2800. Strange, as the 2800 looked just as great as the later models and offered capable performance from a refined powertrain. There was a glitz to the 3.0 and its variations that couldn't be found in the 2800 range, though. From the 3.0CSi fuel injected coupes to the track-ready 3.0CSL lightweights, the 3.0-series offered a more impressive list of available performers. Some of the most famous BMW racers of all time, the so-called 'Batmobiles,' were highly modified and excessively decorated models built on the 3.0CSL platform.

The Batmobiles, though, gave up some of their inherent BMW traits for ostentatious performance. Sure, a BMW should perform well, but some Batmobiles had more power than they could reliably handle. Others were so bedecked with wings and spoilers that they hid the classic lines beneath their overwrought features.

When looking back on BMW's past to admire the company's time-proven virtues, the 2800 shines through more than the 3.0 that replaced it. The 2800 was long-lived, sturdy, and supremely refined. Its styling was subtle and classy, but with a distinct beauty and an adherence to stylistic tradition that was to become one of BMW's most cherished hallmarks. The 2800 was not a particularly fast car, but it was a smooth GT in the fashion of a prototypical BMW. Unlike the 3.0, it existed when standards for bumpers and emissions controls were less stringent and, as such, the 2800 was able to remain an unfettered car with a clean design and amiable persona.

There were two series of models available in 2800 guise: the sedan and the coupe. Sedans used the E3 chassis designation, while the coupe used E9. Just about every manufacturer uses internal designations to identify its cars, but BMW's 'E-codes' are probably the most famous. BMW owners and enthusiasts, as well as knowledgeable car nuts, throw around E-codes as freely as more pedestrian model titles when referring to specific BMW models. Even magazines like Car and Driver and Road & Track have used E-codes to reference BMW models, proving how widely used and accessible the designations are. The first E-codes used to designate BMW production cars were E3 and E9, so the traditions established by the BMW 2800 went beyond styling cues and driving characteristics.

The E3 2800 was introduced at the same time as the E3 2500. Both models arrived in late 1968 as 1969 models, with the 2800 as the upper trim level. The 2800 used a 2,788cc straight six. Producing nearly 70hp per liter, the engine made a hearty 192hp. A chain-driven single overhead camshaft ensured longevity, as did a crankshaft that rode in 7 main bearings. Carburetion was by twin dual-throat Solex/Zenith units which, though some of the car's more temperamental features, were well-matched to the motor. They fed the 2800's triple-hemispherical combustion chambers in a design that BMW expert Fred Larimer called 'so efficient in its original form that it met U.S. emissions standards without additional emissions controls.'(1)

Power was delivered by the sophisticated engine to either a standard 4-speed manual or an optional 3-speed automatic transmission. Both units were built by reputable transmission maker ZF, but the automatics were not particularly well suited to the cars and were less reliable than the manuals. A limited-slip differential was offered as an option to enhance traction at the rear wheels.

The E9 2800 coupe, called the 2800CS, was introduced just after the sedan in 1969 as a replacement for the 2000CS (the 2000CS was also an E9 model). The styling of the 2000CS was very advanced, so even simple revisions were enough to make the 2800CS look like a thoroughly modern car. Overall styling was very close to the 2000CS but with a lengthened front end that incorporated a more traditional BMW face and made room for the new 6-cylinder. The sedans looked great but the coupes looked fantastic. The design was simultaneously lithe and muscular, perfectly incorporating all of the best-loved BMW styling tricks, including quad headlights and twin kidney grilles as well as a Hofmeister kink that worked perfectly with the pillar-less side glass. BMW roundels were placed at the base of both C-pillars, and bright vents on the front fenders with three simple horizontal slats rounded out the superb detailing. The 2800CS had proportions as perfect as any of its grand touring contemporaries, and shared more than a passing resemblance to some gorgeous Italians like the Iso Rivolta and Maserati Mexico.

All of the 2800-series cars shared the same basic mechanical components, though only the sedan offered four wheel disc brakes until rear ventilated discs were used on the 1973 3.0CS. The independent suspension design, front MacPherson struts and rear semi-trailing arms with coil springs, was good enough to be used by BMW for decades afterwards.

The 2800 lasted until 1971, when both the sedan and coupe were replaced by the very similar 3.0 models with 2,985cc engines. The 3.0 was heavier, and its larger engine produced less power than the outgoing 2.8L. Ugly U.S.-mandated bumpers were forced upon American-spec cars by 1974, and in 1975 BMW adopted the use of problematic thermal reactors for emissions controls. The 3.0 may have been the foundation for some incredible BMW products, but the 2800 with its understated looks and sophisticated refinement was the quintessential BMW of its era.

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z5951/BMW-2800.aspx
 
That last sentence probably explains why I was smitten with the design of this car. Unfortunately their website wasn't updated and it has been SOLD :-(
 
The E3 came from a time before BMW's range was neatly segregated into 'series', but it would more closely be identified as the predecessor to the 7 series. At this stage in its History BMW had taken big step forward from the outdated 50x 'baroque angel' based models, but much of the underpinnings of the 'new class' range and larger 6 cylinder range were related to each other.

Whilst the 7-er replaced the 'Large Saloon' range, being 4 door models the smaller '00 models were effectively replaced by the E12 5 series, whilst the 2 door '02 models were effectively replaced by the E21 3 series, itself only offered as a 2 door in those days.

I'm guessing lesser W108 models would be equivalent, probably the 280S?

Just my take on things...

I love the E3, nearly bought one a couple of years ago.
 
There is one in my town, metallic blue and in mint condition....My God were the Bimmers more elegant in the past.....Gorgeous, gorgeous thing
 
That last sentence probably explains why I was smitten with the design of this car. Unfortunately their website wasn't updated and it has been SOLD :-(

Well on the hunt for another one then!!
 
Interesting cars, love stories like this on older BMW and Mercedes models.

I gathered some stats on the 2800 to check how it compares to the W114 mid range and W108 S/SE Mercedes models.

Length:
BMW 2800 E3 - 4700mm (4800mm L version)
Mercedes W114 - 4680mm
Mercedes W108 - 4900mm (5000mm SEL)

Wheelbase:
BMW 2800 E3 - 2692mm (2792mm L version)
Mercedes W114 - 2750mm
Mercedes W108 - 2750mm (2850mm SEL)

Height:
BMW 2800 E3 - 1450mm (1450mm L version)
Mercedes W114 - 1441mm
Mercedes W108 - 1440mm (1440mm SEL)

Width:
BMW 2800 E3 - 1750mm (1750mm L version)
Mercedes W114 - 1772mm
Mercedes W108 - 1810mm (1810mm SEL)

Weight (kg):
BMW 2800 E3 - 1334kg
Mercedes W114 280- 1440kg
Mercedes W108 280SE- 1560kg (1575kg SEL)

Power:
BMW 2800 E3 - 125kw (170PS) at 6000rpm
Mercedes W114 280E- 136kw (185PS) at 6000rpm
Mercedes W108 280SE- 118kw (160PS) at 5500rpm

Top Speed:
BMW 2800 E3 - 200km/h (124mph)
Mercedes W114 280E - 200km/h (124mph)
Mercedes W108 280SE- 190km/h (118mph)

0-100km/h:
BMW 2800 E3 - 9.4sec
Mercedes W114 - 9.9sec
Mercedes W108 - 10.5sec
 
...recalling memories of a dark blue E3 3.0Si (200 HP) that an uncle of mine owned back in the early 1970s'. An absolutely awesome automobile.
 
As a 19 year old I used to wash a darkgreen E12 520i for a few Dutch florins. Picked it up at it's owner and brought it back. Those 20 kilometers were a dream come true for me at that time. Memories...
 
Hi vintage fans, I've found this stunning car in Cape Town for sale for only R95,000 (about $7,500). I've surprised myself as I'm usually drawn to new cars, but this specimen is a gem I would love to own. I love the colour and the interior/exterior looks in great condition.

It feels like the genesis to the 5er, but I can't find any reference to this on Wikipedia. My question is, was the E3 a stand alone model? Research I found says it was launched as BMW's "6 cylinder range".

Which model from MB did it compete with?

Thanks in advance!
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My parents owned a silver 1971 2800 4 door like this in the photo, with the same blue leather and a 4 speed manual gear box. We had that car for 25 years and put 600,000 miles on it before selling to a friend of my brother who already owned a 1971 2800CS. It was very reliable (and meticulously maintained!) from the day it was delivered, in San Rafael, CA. My mother commuted to the Muir Woods National Park for 20 years in this car. They bought it in 1972 since it had set on the dealer's showroom for quite a while and didn't sell. It had a really long set of gears (autobahn gears) and was bit slow off the line, but get on the throttle from about 60 mile per hour up to nearly 150, and it would move out very well. Nevada had no speed limits on their highways in those days and that car would easily cruise at 120 - 140 miles per hour on those long flat runs.
The MB models that I remember being most similar was the 280SE, also a 2.
And now you drive an S class. The Dutch Dream.

8 liter inline 6, which was probably one of the best looking Mercedes they ever built. I remember an article in Car & Driver in that period where they were writing about the latest model Mercedes was presenting and their writer got one of the Mercedes engineers aside and asked him, "If you were to make the most significant improvement in your car, what would it be?" He looked furtively around and very quietly said, "You never heard it from me, but put in the BMW 6 cylinder engine." That 6 cylinder engine was rated the best 6 cylinder in the world for something like 20 years. I believe it had a lot to do with Mercedes dropping their inline 6 and introducing their V6. They certainly had the engineering ability to compete but the expense to make any significant improvement over what BMW had would have been prohibitively expensive.
 
Hello all. Looking for help to restore a 1970 BMW 2800. Does anyone have or know of a cylinder head that is for sale for it? Casting number is 12500199.
 
Hello all. Looking for help to restore a 1970 BMW 2800. Does anyone have or know of a cylinder head that is for sale for it? Casting number is 12500199.

Can't help you directly but I'd ask around the BMW Car Club websites... if you're in the USA, start here Link ->> Welcome

I'm curious about that casting number, doesn't seem to match a part number?
 
Can't help you directly but I'd ask around the BMW Car Club websites... if you're in the USA, start here Link ->> Welcome

I'm curious about that casting number, doesn't seem to match a part number?
Thank you for the help. The casting number came straight off the cylinder head.
 
Thank you for the help. The casting number came straight off the cylinder head.

No worries, sorry I can't be more help. I'm not sure how to translate the casting numbers on the older cars, and I'm sure it will depend on other things, is it originally a US model, and is it an auto or a manual? I've got a feeling the cylinder head is the same as the one from the E12 528 so that might make the search a bit easier.
 
This is a great looking 1972 E3 2800. Really stunning and in mint condition.

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