Tesla under Criminal Investigation!😲

[Tourbillon]

Tesla under Criminal Investigation from U.S. Department of Justice over Self-Driving Claims.

Tesla under Criminal Investigation from U.S. Department of Justice

A Reuters report says the feds have been investigating the EV maker for more than a year because of alleged claims that its cars can drive themselves.

www.caranddriver.com

"A Reuters report says the feds have been investigating the EV maker for more than a year because of alleged claims that its cars can drive themselves.

• According to a report from Reuters, American EV giant Tesla is now facing a criminal investigation from the Department of Justice.
• The criminal investigation joins a series of probes into the company from both the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and the California Department of Motor Vehicles.
• Tesla's Full Self Driving (FSD) option now costs $15,000 but has not reached regulatory approval.

EV maker Tesla is under criminal investigation from the U.S. Department of Justice over its claims that its cars are "Full Self Driving." That news comes in an article just published by the Reuters news service, which cited unnamed sources it described as "three people familiar with the matter." The report says the feds have been conducting the investigation since 2021 after more than a dozen crashes were suspected of being related to Tesla's self-driving technology.

According to the Reuters story, the Justice Department's prosecutors will be looking to discover "whether Tesla misled consumers, investors, and regulators by making unsupported claims about its driver assistance technology's capabilities." The investigation could culminate in criminal charges, civil penalties, or the end of the matter, depending on what they find out, Reuters said.

Controversial from the Start
Tesla has come under fire from many quarters over the implication that its vehicles can drive themselves, given the company's use of the name "Full Self Driving." Because Tesla's Full Self Driving system relies on the driver of the vehicle to remain alert at all times, it is effectively a Level 2 driver-assist technology, not fully automated.

ON AUTOPILOT

• CA DMV Investigates Tesla over 'Full Self Driving'
• What to Call Full Self-Driving?
• Tesla Must Give Feds Autopilot Data by October 22

However, it could be argued that Tesla has allowed customers to believe otherwise. For instance, a video on the Tesla Autopilot website reads: "The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." Further down, the website reads, "Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate, and brake automatically within its lane. Current Autopilot features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous."

Etc in link.

 

[Matski]

Chuck it on the pile with the other 1200 odd lawsuits.

 

[duesy]

Not the first time they've looked into that racist, imperialist bastard's business. One day he'll be tried in the international criminal courts for war crimes in Bolivia, i.e. funding the Trump coup against the indigenous government in Bolivia to facilitate Tesla's interests in the country's lithium mines.

 

[Tourbillon]

Chuck it on the pile with the other 1200 odd lawsuits.

Jesus Christ!

 

[SCOTT27]

With the Twitter take over causing mass exodus from some of the liberal minded persuasion from the platform. Many have taken up their place in the “New World” or Mastadon Which in case you had little knowledge of this platform it’s like 4 chan on steroids.
Think of it as the equivalent of When you leave your previous bubble to go to the new holy land, but it turned out to be a jungle full of wild animals...

 

[J.E]

He's a trillionaire. He can bribe anybody to throw these lawsuits in a garbage bin.

 

[SCOTT27]

He's a trillionaire. He can bribe anybody to throw these lawsuits in a garbage bin.

Are you kidding? They want his head on a stick.
He has taken away their platform. And the bots and fake followers are next. He owns the darkest and deepest secrets of everyone.

 

[Matski]

Personally I don't care if Twitter folds or just becomes a shit-hole hangout for butt-hurt Trumpists and eLoon cultists, I'm just happy to see someone hold Musk accountable for talking crap --- forcing him to follow through and buy Twitter, and now seeing him not only try to penalise them for doing it, but having to do it whilst trying to ease the financial burden he's taken on. The fact the much vaunted Trillion dollar market cap for Tesla has dropped to $560Bn, is also of slight amusement.

The free speech absolutist that bans people for satire, who didn't care about 'the economics of it' but has to give people a louder voice than others for money because his global town square is less important than turning a buck. It would be even funnier if there still weren't so many that don't see it.

 

[kiki voinea]

Personally I don't care if Twitter folds or just becomes a shit-hole hangout for butt-hurt Trumpists and eLoon cultists, I'm just happy to see someone hold Musk accountable for talking crap --- forcing him to follow through and buy Twitter, and now seeing him not only try to penalise them for doing it, but having to do it whilst trying to ease the financial burden he's taken on. The fact the much vaunted Trillion dollar market cap for Tesla has dropped to $560Bn, is also of slight amusement.

The free speech absolutist that bans people for satire, who didn't care about 'the economics of it' but has to give people a louder voice than others for money because his global town square is less important than turning a buck. It would be even funnier if there still weren't so many that don't see it.

You lost me here.

With this , I understand the rest of your sentence.

Seems like every Tesla people that have a "thing" with Tesla ,summon up this thing.

But wait : Just look that AT ALL market right now. Besides APPL ( who is -25% YTD ) , all major tech companies are waaaay down.

Elon can do what the hell he wants with his money. It's his company. Twitter is his . So do what ever he wants.

Twitter is kind of sh*t in the late years. Not because of Trumpist and Elooonist. Because everyting is sh*t lately.

Tech is getting boring . Cars are getting boring . Phones are definitely boring.

 

[Matski]

You lost me here.

With this , I understand the rest of your sentence.

Seems like every Tesla people that have a "thing" with Tesla summon up this thing.

But wait : Just look that AT ALL market right now. Besides APPL ( who is -25% YTD ) , all major tech companies are waaaay down.

Elon can do what the hell he wants with his money. It's his company. Twitter is his . So do what ever he wants.

Twitter is kind of sh*t in the late years. Not because of Trumpist and Elooonist. Because everyting is sh*t lately.

Tech is getting boring . Cars are getting boring . Phones are definitely boring.

I've got to confess, I don't understand what you're getting at

 

[kiki voinea]

I've got to confess, I don't understand what you're getting at

Bringing the stock price in a discussion about Tesla's lawsuit. And responding to it

In the same way: With non-sense

 

[Gianclaudio]

Not the first time they've looked into that racist, imperialist bastard's business. One day he'll be tried in the international criminal courts for war crimes in Bolivia, i.e. funding the Trump coup against the indigenous government in Bolivia to facilitate Tesla's interests in the country's lithium mines.

Oh dear.
1) Musk was being (beyond-obvious) sarcastic on the accusations of financing a coup.

2) There was no coup. Morales resigned after three weeks of protests, after fraudulent elections (he himself, called for new elections on a desperate effort days before quitting)
No military took the presidency, but the 2nd president of congress. During her transitional 1 year tenure, Morales party still had full control of the congress (and judicial power, because Bolivia is a soft dictatorship).



Addendum to point 2)
Morales was forbidden by Bolivian constitution to participate on 2019 elections. The current constitution (since 2009) allows for only two terms.
Morales already had three consecutive terms (2005-09, 09-14, 14-19), because the corrupt, controlled supreme court allowed him to participate on the 2014 election, alleging the first term wasn't counted, as predates the 2009 constitution.

Yet, to being able to participate on the 2019 elections, on 2016 he called a referendum for amending the constitution, which he lost.

And what the f#cking asshole did? He went to the corrupt, controlled supreme court, arguing that it was his human right (quoting the American convention of Human rights act) to run for another term. And of course, the corrupts judges, green-lighted the idea.

Then, in the vicious 2019 elections, when vote counting was taking place, the server went down for over 24 hrs (at that moment, the results were for 2nd round runoff between Morales and 2nd place holder, Carlos Mesa) and when the count voting server was running again, a clear victory for Morales was given. People got mad, 3 weeks of protest and the rest is history, although now being revisioned/distorted by left parties all over.

 

[Matski]

Bringing the stock price in a discussion about Tesla's lawsuit. And responding to it

In the same way: With non-sense

Okay. so I'm still not clear.

To be clear from my side, Tesla stock whether you consider it an over priced automotive stock, or (for some reason) a tech stock, it is linked to what Musk says and does in a way that few other companies are, and none in the automotive arena. It is therefore even more amusing to me, than when Elon is f#ckwit about Twitter (a valueless shitpit), on Twitter (a valueless shitpit - and now his own platform), it impacts Tesla stock, which is the source of his wealth. It's just amusing to me - and that's even despite the fact Musk will probably use Tesla profits to buy out his holding in Twitter, remove Tesla's tax on profit liability and his personal debt risk on Twitter, and come out no worse off.

 

[kiki voinea]

Okay. so I'm still not clear.

To be clear from my side, Tesla stock whether you consider it an over priced automotive stock, or (for some reason) a tech stock, it is linked to what Musk says and does in a way that few other companies are, and none in the automotive arena. It is therefore even more amusing to me, than when Elon is f#ckwit about Twitter (a valueless shitpit), on Twitter (a valueless shitpit - and now his own platform), it impacts Tesla stock, which is the source of his wealth. It's just amusing to me - and that's even despite the fact Musk will probably use Tesla profits to buy out his holding in Twitter, remove Tesla's tax on profit liability and his personal debt risk on Twitter, and come out no worse off.

I get what you say.

But let’s just take 2 steps back: Take the tweets and his public “in-your-face” actions. How is he different from any other investors out there?

Carl Ichan for example,he was soooo terrible for the companies he had/has. But nobody speaks about him,because he does not tweet “doge to the moon”

They all chase one thing and one thing only: Money

He shifted the cars industry and for that : Kudos to him. I never thought that I would like EVs. And because of Tesla,I wouldn’t drive an ICE ever (for daily use).

PS: I am considering an i7 right now, so don’t call me a Tesla-Fan-Girl

 

[KiwiRob]

Personally I don't care if Twitter folds or just becomes a shit-hole hangout for butt-hurt Trumpists and eLoon cultists, I'm just happy to see someone hold Musk accountable for talking crap --- forcing him to follow through and buy Twitter, and now seeing him not only try to penalise them for doing it, but having to do it whilst trying to ease the financial burden he's taken on. The fact the much vaunted Trillion dollar market cap for Tesla has dropped to $560Bn, is also of slight amusement.

The free speech absolutist that bans people for satire, who didn't care about 'the economics of it' but has to give people a louder voice than others for money because his global town square is less important than turning a buck. It would be even funnier if there still weren't so many that don't see it.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up closing twitter and walking away just for shits and giggles.

 

[SCOTT27]

Wouldn’t be a great loss.

 

[Matski]

But let’s just take 2 steps back: Take the tweets and his public “in-your-face” actions. How is he different from any other investors out there?

Carl Ichan for example,he was soooo terrible for the companies he had/has. But nobody speaks about him,because he does not tweet “doge to the moon”

I don't think you can ignore his wider profile or actions, or (sorry to bang on about this), the blind loyalty of his personal fan base. To try and isolate one facet of Elon Musk and normalise him based on that doesn't really paint a true picture - or explain why some people (like myself), think he's a twat and a con-man, and thus far, none of his achievements make me think "He's a twat and a con-man... but at least he's done.. xyz".

He shifted the cars industry and for that : Kudos to him. I never thought that I would like EVs. And because of Tesla,I wouldn’t drive an ICE ever (for daily use).

Fair enough, we all have reasons behind our connection to the cars we like, though it's statements like "He shifted the car industry" that I think can be misleading.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up closing twitter and walking away just for shits and giggles.

Oh well. <shrug emoji>.

 

[kiki voinea]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up closing twitter and walking away just for shits and giggles.

Twitter is just too small tot die.

If he solves the bots problem , maybe he will grow Twitter.

 

[duesy]

Oh dear.
1) Musk was being (beyond-obvious) sarcastic on the accusations of financing a coup.

This, of course, is misinformed. For more information, see the piece on The Intercept. Because, of course, we will never get a full picture of Musk's involvement––only partial leakages.

As for the rest of your comments...what a (hilarious, tragic and misguided) shame.

House Democrats Want to Know the Truth About the Bolivian Coup

The OAS’s false accusations led to the expulsion of Evo Morales. Now members of Congress want the State Department to investigate.

www.thenation.com

 

[Gianclaudio]

This, of course, is misinformed. For more information, see the piece on The Intercept. Because, of course, we will never get a full picture of Musk's involvement––only partial leakages.

As for the rest of your comments...what a (hilarious, tragic and misguided) shame.

House Democrats Want to Know the Truth About the Bolivian Coup

The OAS’s false accusations led to the expulsion of Evo Morales. Now members of Congress want the State Department to investigate.

www.thenation.com

Typical, 1st world-deluded, out of reality bullshit.
I'm bolivian; born in 1981 and lived there until last year. Your zero edge kind of articles are so biased is beyond pathetic.

Do you even know an extremely similar situation happened on 2003, when then president Sanchez de Lozada resigned, amid the protests, in that time lead by Morales?
So according to your logic, Morales also promoted a coup? Did USA and "Christian right wing" paid him?

And the protests that lead to Morales resigning in 2019, started way back in 2017, when the supreme court violated both the constitution and the 2016 referendum poll (on amending the constitution) allowing Morales for seeking a 4th term in a row ( ala Castro, Chavez, Putin, etc, etc)
I do know that quite well, because I was very active, organising protests. Where are my millions by Musk?
Should I write him on Twitter for not paying me?

PS: I'M BEING SARCASTIC, just in case you're not able to get it (you don't seem so)