Hot! Mercedes-Benz, What's Next?

[Merc1]

Yes, but we were talking about global numbers. And img I posted is from their yearly report. And that's how they doing. For example, this is for Audi:

and BMW:

Yeah the yearly report, what about month to month? That is where there all came from. January 2016 S-Class sales vs 7-Series sales. Are you saying or have something to show where MB is counting the S, S Coupe, SL, AMG GT vs the 7-Series, that is the point here.

M

 

[tomazino]

Yeah the yearly report, what about month to month? That is where there all came from. January 2016 S-Class sales vs 7-Series sales. Are you saying or have something to show where MB is counting the S, S Coupe, SL, AMG GT vs the 7-Series, that is the point here.

M

As I said, that was until one year ago. Now, they separated SL and sports model, but still, in numbers for S class are sedan, coupe, cabrio and maybach....

 

[Merc1]

As I said, that was until one year ago. Now, they separated SL and sports model, but still, in numbers for S class are sedan, coupe, cabrio and maybach....

Right as they should because those are S-Class models and like I said they don't do that anymore so it doesn't apply to January of this year. It isn't MB's fault that BMW has nothing in those segments. Nor does the Coupe and the Maybach sales make the S-Class double the 7-Series. The sedans are still by far the best sellers. Now when the Cabrio models go on sale that might make more a difference.

M

 

[DjordjeC63]

Yeah, true car fans main concerns are selling figures for BMW, Audi, VW, Mercedes etc.

 

[SKY]

Autobild has on its cover a new MB model, the SEC. It looks like a S-Coupe with 4 doors.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

SEC, used to be the name for the W126 Coupés. Interesting thing is, it does look like a proper 4 door S-Klasse with CLS-like features. In which case, I'd prefer another front look than this copy of the currect S-Klasse Coupé. A CLS like S-Klasse, but with a classic grill, a bit tuned down so it fits the lower and more stretched lines of it.

 

[SKY]

Yeah, it would be interesting to see which is the first MB to come up with a new front end style. The current one is so present on the entire line up that is a bit boring right now.

At least the W222 is changing that a bit.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Autobild has on its cover a new MB model, the SEC. It looks like a S-Coupe with 4 doors.

This should be called the "CLS" if MB follow their new nomenclature. Might be confusing.

 

[Rolf]

It would be great to see a 4dr version of the S-class coupe, but like Mick said a lower version of the S-class sedan in CLS style and with a classic grill would look fantastic.

 

[W201]

I don't mind having S Class 4 door Coupe - but I wonder how exactly will it position itself in the MB lineup.

If what we now call CLS becomes CLE in next iteration, CLS should become what its name suggests. Now insert alleged Panamera competitor in the mix - 'AMG GT4'. Why would MB have two uber-4-door coupes?

Or, are the next CLS and AMG GT4 the same car?

 

[DjordjeC63]

Please no.

 

[DJRaze99]

I do not want that the new CLS lose their individual style , I really like this model Mercedes great especially the first generation of this model.

 

[Fido]

This SEC that Autobild shows is the next generation of CLS.

 

[Serpens]

I don't mind having S Class 4 door Coupe - but I wonder how exactly will it position itself in the MB lineup.

If what we now call CLS becomes CLE in next iteration, CLS should become what its name suggests. Now insert alleged Panamera competitor in the mix - 'AMG GT4'. Why would MB have two uber-4-door coupes?

Or, are the next CLS and AMG GT4 the same car?

It was reported on this very forum that Mercedes declined to make 4-door coupe version of the S-class. We'll likely get a CLE and the AMG sedan.

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I dream of a 4 door S-coupe. It would undoubtedly become one of the most stunning vehicle on sale.

 

[vios1]

The S Class 4 doors coupe will be the next CLS I guess.

 

[klier]

I absolutely hate the rear door being part of the wheel arch. Please not on a sedan!

 

[Deleted member 1071]

Autobilds' SEC rendering is interesting. I would, however, be inclined to question its' accuracy. I was of the impression, based on several recent interviews with M-B design spokespersons, that the current exterior design paradigm would be abandoned in favor of less sculptured and more organic flanks devoid of dropping tendon lines etc. The W213 E-Class being the first car to implement the new theme.

 

[BMW3GT]

Are you guys still interested in electric vehicles from MB? If so here you go:

"Like Audi and BMW, Mercedes has mapped out various ways to make BEV production easier to implement, less cost-intensive, and quicker to realize. For example, the ELC (due in 2018) is a mildly restyled GLC featuring an under-floor power pack and two electric motors that enable torque-vectoring all-wheel drive. Then the GLA-based ELA should see the light in 2020 or 2021 before we get all-electric variants of the B-Class and all-new GLB (think smaller scale G-model).
Mercedes’ dedicated electric vehicle architecture, EVA2, won’t debut until 2021.
When it does, it will have a high degree of modularity and impressive innovations. The aluminum-intensive spaceframe will be fully flexible in length, width, height, track, and wheelbase. Minimum ground clearance will be about 4.5 inches, with further adjustments through a standard air suspension. A low center of gravity will aid vehicle dynamics and also allow for a smaller frontal area with a super-efficient drag figure. In its most basic form, EVA is rear-wheel drive only, but many derivatives will boast two motors and thus all-wheel drive. Notable assets include a radically tight turning circle, rear-wheel steering, and adaptive aerodynamics.
Mercedes intends to launch four EVA2 models out of the gate: two crossovers and two sedans. The SUVs will be positioned between the GLC and GLE and the GLE and GLS, respectively. The smaller four-door splits the C- and E-Class, while the bigger model aims at the gap between the E- and S-Class. Product planning intends to offer five different power stages ranging from 160 kW to an AMG model at a remarkable 440 kW. The real-life driving range reportedly stretches from 260 miles for the AMG car to more than 400 miles for the base product.
According to those in the know, EVA2 models will be no more expensive than comparable gas or diesel models. Comments a marketing manager from Stuttgart: “Incentives may help to kick-start the BEV. But at the end of the day, it’s the product that must convince the customer. Our research tells us that in 15 years’ time 65 percent of the car buying population will consider a BEV. Today, that number is below 5 percent.”"

The article is written by Georg Kacher and published on http://www.automobilemag.com/

 

[Merc1]

It would be nice if Mercedes established a separate and unique look for their electric vehicles. Think something that doesn't look like a Mercedes but yet does in a way. Totally different inside and out, but with regular MB bits used where it makes sense, like the touchpad etc. Think Mercedes' Tesla. That would be really hot.

M