7 Series (G11) [Spy shots] BMW 7er (G11) Spy Pics & Info


The BMW G11 is the sixth generation of the BMW 7 Series, produced from 2015 to 2022. Model codes: G11 (short-wheelbase version), and G12 (long-wheelbase version) luxury saloons, collectively referred to as the G11. Production: July 2015–2022. Model years: 2016–2022.
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With the new model year HUD is available for all S models.

http:///2014/01/neues-modelljahr-br...-jede-motorisierung-der-neuen-s-klasse-br222/

i got HUD in my 2008 F01 already .... nice that Merc gets it 2015

merc laughed at bmw's gear shifter at the steering wheel.... on the w221 they had it too
merc laughed at bmw's idrive wheel... on the w221 they had it too
ermmm....more?
 
If anything, I'd say that the S-Class introduced new levels of luxury into this segment. For whatever reason it happened (maybe because Maybach was discontinued or as a way to sell more cars) the interior quality and features of the new S are a step above the competition.

Despite their attention to detail, both the 7er and A8 interiors don't have the initial wow factor of the S-Class, in my opinion. Of course, personal taste is very objective and I much prefer the 7er interior, with its more conservative lines.

The new S-Class wasn't the technological break-through that was advertised, but it certainly was a big step forward.

I don't think they introduced a new level of "luxury" into this segment but introduced a new level of "comfort". The percieved interior quality is highly superficial in the S. Furthermore, for me introducing more "bling" is something else than "luxury".
Of course in this segment "comfort" is one of the most important sales-arguments. Therefore, BMW should bring the 7er to a very high level of comfort (isn't neccecary to bring in to the S level) but should introduce a new vision of "luxury" (just look at the design and finish of the VFL). For me, driving dynamics, overall quality, engines, drive train and technology BMW is already the brand to beat and should be with the introduction of the new 7er unbeatable.
 
Someone insulted?!
Honestly, I don`t look at Mercedes configurator every 5 minuts, so I said about w222 not having HUD as a option on itroduction last year. Everything about MBC is from AutoBild article. And about funboyism, is my nick "e39" or something?-No! Am i on Merc part of the forum? -No!
Ps. OK. HUD on S klass in 2014. Exactly 11 years after 5 series:)
This is what makes you a fan-boy, not your username, or forum thread.

Don't get me wrong, I do like hearing another person's opinion, no matter if we agree or not (that's the point of forum), but don't act as if BMW was the first ever to introduce HUD in car industry, or if it even developed it (its' all made by Continental, anyways...), and that it makes E60 better than the W222, or MB follower of the BMW.


i got HUD in my 2008 F01 already .... nice that Merc gets it 2015

merc laughed at bmw's gear shifter at the steering wheel.... on the w221 they had it too
merc laughed at bmw's idrive wheel... on the w221 they had it too
ermmm....more?
Silkeye, so nice to see you got UN-banned. Thanks for the positive rating. I guess that means we can expect LaArtist to come back too? (This question is for moderators).

Now about the gear shifter on the steering column, feel free to look up for Mercedes-Benz 220SE Coupe, among other models. About the iDrive wheel, you can check some Merc's concepts from the 90s, I'm sure you'll find some connection;)

Also, care to share if you actually bought W222 for you company (like you mentioned in the S Class Spy Thread you will, some time ago), and what cars do your customers prefer to be driven in? Thanks in advance.
 
Yep, Mercedes had that shifter behind steering wheel for really, really long time. iDrive - Mercedes F200 1996.
 
One thing I do wish MB would invest more in is carbon fiber and advanced chassis, like BMW has done a wonderful job pioneering. Audi has done an impressive job, along with BMW, in the laser light technology, which I hope the US government will allow over here some day...but that's far-fetched.

So, from a tech POV of the car itself and not amenities offered in the cabin, I would place BMW and Audi above MB. The only great technology from MB I am looking forward to is the new 9g...
 
I may be getting older, but it´s almost sad to read adults so pissed about what other brand is doing. If you are so childish with cars, I can´t start to figure out how you react with more serious topics, like politics or economics. You also say things as mature as "my party did this or that first" or "your party didn´t do anything at all"?.

This thread is starting to suck.
 
I may be getting older, but it´s almost sad to read adults so pissed about what other brand is doing. If you are so childish with cars, I can´t start to figure out how you react with more serious topics, like politics or economics. You also say things as mature as "my party did this or that first" or "your party didn´t do anything at all"?.

This thread is starting to suck.

What does it matter that this was done before that. Its an industry and a competition and in some aspects a war.
Its all about pushing the envelope , stretching capability and progressive innovation. Its an evolutionary circle and with each evolution something new comes from somebody. It is refreshing to see that some want to progress the unthinkable for a luxury car if this is where we are at now. Where will we be in 5 or 10 years? Celebrate the fact that people continue to push progress rather than recycle the same philosophy over and over.

The wheel will still keep on turning.
 
Scott, do changes ever get made late in the development period in response to a competitors newly released or about to be released car ? Is that the reason car makers release their competing cars at different times, or did it just occur that way... or is it so that they can take advantage of being the 'newest' for a while ?
 
This is what makes you a fan-boy, not your username, or forum thread.

Don't get me wrong, I do like hearing another person's opinion, no matter if we agree or not (that's the point of forum), but don't act as if BMW was the first ever to introduce HUD in car industry, or if it even developed it (its' all made by Continental, anyways...), and that it makes E60 better than the W222, or MB follower of the BMW.



Silkeye, so nice to see you got UN-banned. Thanks for the positive rating. I guess that means we can expect LaArtist to come back too? (This question is for moderators).

Now about the gear shifter on the steering column, feel free to look up for Mercedes-Benz 220SE Coupe, among other models. About the iDrive wheel, you can check some Merc's concepts from the 90s, I'm sure you'll find some connection;)

Also, care to share if you actually bought W222 for you company (like you mentioned in the S Class Spy Thread you will, some time ago), and what cars do your customers prefer to be driven in? Thanks in advance.


TBH, i have driven the new S and wasnt so much impressed by that, so a i decided not to get em.
And: i can't live without my HUD :) once HUD always HUD.
I stay with my 7s and my W221s until the G11 comes out.
My friends, colleagues and competitors didnt do either, since they prefer the cheap Phaeton to use (600€ plus 19% VAT including 60K kms free and fullservice)

The S is still not so much seen on the streets - so the old S doesnt really look old.

I can say that despite of russian and arabian customers, my other customers really dont care if they are in a S , 7er, A8 or Phaeton, as long as it is comfortable, big and prestigious.

The russians and arabians mostly prefer and only know the "S", u can try to tell em that u have the latest 7er or A8, and a W221 - the still prefer the W221.
But, and this is the funny part, when i come around with the 7er and force em to use it (coz the w221 is in a jam or the customer before is still using it) -
they are surprised and love it. Ask me how much it costs, look at the leather, the finish, the features...and get interested in. One of my best customers, a venture capitalist now even bought a 750d after being driven by us with ours.

i think it is not the (S) car that is soooo much better, i think it is the name - that keeps the S above others.

coming back to idrive and gear shifter, i m talking of my local merc dealer that laughed at my E65 when i came around to pick up my driver,
when we dropped our merc at them.
"look at this shifter hahahaha - that is sportive hahahaha - look at the idrive - hahahaaha - i prefer to have buttons - hahahahaha" quote of my merc service.
 
This is what makes you a fan-boy, not your username, or forum thread.

Don't get me wrong, I do like hearing another person's opinion, no matter if we agree or not (that's the point of forum), but don't act as if BMW was the first ever to introduce HUD in car industry, or if it even developed it (its' all made by Continental, anyways...), and that it makes E60 better than the W222, or MB follower of the BMW.



Silkeye, so nice to see you got UN-banned. Thanks for the positive rating. I guess that means we can expect LaArtist to come back too? (This question is for moderators).

Now about the gear shifter on the steering column, feel free to look up for Mercedes-Benz 220SE Coupe, among other models. About the iDrive wheel, you can check some Merc's concepts from the 90s, I'm sure you'll find some connection;)

Also, care to share if you actually bought W222 for you company (like you mentioned in the S Class Spy Thread you will, some time ago), and what cars do your customers prefer to be driven in? Thanks in advance.
I just said something against your beloved pet, and you jump in, angry, with "fanboyism", "not smart", and I am fanboy!?! Yeah, right:)
 
Scott, do changes ever get made late in the development period in response to a competitors newly released or about to be released car ? Is that the reason car makers release their competing cars at different times, or did it just occur that way... or is it so that they can take advantage of being the 'newest' for a while ?

I have not known of anything from a technological aspect but some cars have minimal design changes -one key example being the E65 7er when it had a Volvo-esque shoulder line at the rear which looked completely out of place as it works on a Volvo with the angular design but it looked completely odd with the rounded shape of the 7ers rear. This was before before it got the stepped boot lid. Both the E60 5er and 3er had similar rear changes. The 5er GT is another example it went from R-Klasse like wagon The RFK to a more Coupe-esque sedan.

Everybody does their best to make sure their car has the latest innovative technology at that time. When cars are launched they are already in manufacturers eyes out of date because advancement continues to be progressed whilst in development.
Its new to the customer but the manufacturer are already working on the successor.

If we take the replacement for the 5er Gran Turismo which is going to be a Concept car in the not so distant future it will show ongoing progress over the current car but is slightly longer being based on the 5er Li platform and more sleeker than before at the rear but does not sacrifice the luxury and space elements that work in the current car.
 
Since the discussion has narrowed down to a W222 vs. the rest of the luxury automobile world, I'm sticking to this theme even though I do not find it very appropriate. As I and others have said before, the S class has rarely lost customers to BMW or Audi because these customers would never really think about an alternative brand (and by brand I mean the S-KLASSE). It's more about those who like luxury cars but have not absolutely fixed preferences. These can be convinced. By a true alternative.
I respect any person's decision to choose to not own a car, or to buy either a Dacia or a Rolls, a 7er or an S class. However, when some people in here claim in rather absolute terms something like 'the S class interior is way beyond its competitors (and on par with the Phantom)', then this is just not true. It may be your taste but it's not THE ONE reality. If I wanted to be harsh, I'd say the S class has not been fully finalized in general (e.g., control boxes, transmission, production issues) and it would not be a lie. (Lately, a Harman-Becker colleague told me about the final phases of the software 'tuning' and the pressure that was put on his unit to work top-to-bottom). This fact is covered well and will probably not be perceived by many customers (and some reviewers) but it's still true. The innovations are there but I have the impression that Mercedes does not even emphasize them. E.g. the safety equipment is fantastic (even though I hoped the Breaking Bag would also become reality) but they keep selling their dash and two gigantic screens.
Whatever ...... I heard some call the W222 phenomenon the 'reverse Phaeton'. That was a great product with many innovations in production terms (true handwork in big numbers) but more or less nobody acknowledged the fact ..... probably because it looked like a bloated Passat. (Actually, we are preparing a study investigating the reaction to different design approaches (humble vs. pompous) and will use eye-movement analyses and EEG to get some idea when and how people reach their conclusion.)

In the following, I will try to substantiate my claims and to not sound like someone who wants to put others off the W222. As mentioned earlier, I took part in a little convention with a G11 insider. He brought along cool info and some specials. I don't want to ruin my reputation so I'll just post pictures that have been taken by many others as well. On the info side, I found one thing striking: he mentioned an internal report with customer feedback on the F01 (from 2011 or so) where it got some rather devastating grades mostly being criticized as 'confusable' (like the Phaeton :)). So obviously, it was an explicit goal to really create a package that makes the G11 more than just a big BMW.

More interestingly, there was a hands-on part which illustrates the upper part of this post. We were testing surfaces for their authenticity, hardness of plastic etc. like they also did empirically (using qualitative measures as well as pressure and temperature sensors). Even though other products were present, I limit myself to W222 and BMW parts and focus on aluminum elements as they have been discussed vividly.

W222_det4.webp
Burmester parts: great! High-quality in part full aluminum, cool on the back of the hand. Door opener, ps/pw controls: very light keys, simple coat, imprecise pressure points, relatively high tolerance. Lower area, door pocket: hard plastic, little compressive deformation. When compared directly, the W221 is less playful, of course, but is (subjectively and objectively) executed more careful.
W222_det3.webp
Vents/pipes: only identifiable as aluminum by eyesight not by touch alone. Plain (hard) plastic easily visible. Also very light parts, no clear grinding in regulation. Also suboptimal in functional terms.
W222_det2.webp
Steering wheel: great basic idea (2 spokes, very traditional), well executed. Frame has an aluminum feel, keys - again - not.
W222_Det1.webp
Central control: probably the best part, in terms of tactile quality (together with climate etc. switch panel). The wheel gives good control and feedback, and feels authentic. Surprisingly, the C class delivers an even better solution, as the frame of the touchpad hand rest is executed in a really good coating.


However, and that's very important: if you don't touch and press etc., all of this does not bother you at all. Because it still looks good.


BMW_det3.webp
Frame of the vent/interior panel (of some unknown BMW ;)): alu panel not identifiable as such, hard plastic feel. Will probably/hopefully not reach series production. Frame cool on the back of the hand, good coating. Clear tactile difference between the surfaces.
BMW_Det6.webp
Legroom driver seat: rather low seam line between soft and hard plastic. Hard plastic indeed cheap, but soft plastic with a good grain, no reaction to intensive rubbing, very responsive even to soft press (that sounds a little R rated ;) but that's how we put it)

BMW_det4.webp
Some random aluminum key, near the shifter: clearly identifiable only by touch, good coating, and like cut from one piece (three-dimensional, rectangular, not playful).

BMW_det1.webp
F01 center console: obviously served as a good example because it was highly valued by customers who appreciated the execution of the single elements (alu, nubuck, and suede) and their composition.

BMW_det2.webp
A really cool aluminum edge in an upcoming model: great coating, easily perceived as aluminum only by touch. Very dimensional structure as it folds around the edge and, by that, links and creates surfaces.

Downside: all of this may look coarse to you and lack in effect and spectacle.


Maybe that helps to understand how different people approach design solutions and finishes differently.
 
@Busty when i see tomazino's work with that pictures from your post... i get a good feeling that it will look great - and feel reassured.

that Button at the armrest in the f01 is aluminium but that frame around the button is plastic...at least in mine :/
 
spyshots-2016-bmw-7-series-g11-to-receive-new-engines-and-headlight-design-video_3.webp

"Who am I?"

"You are a giant 3-series!"

"No, I am not!"

"Oh, yes you are!"

"Am I really?"

"Yeah, baby ... you certainly are. Sorry."

":cry:"


:D

J/k

The car looks elegant, sporty & sleek even all the camo on! Now imagine it bare naked!
 
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