The Unspoken Collapse


Kilcrohane

Porsche Perfektionist
Contrary to the overriding impression of buoyancy in the car industry by the media and a riot of new product to stimulate further growth, the reality has never been so different.

March sales/registration figures now starting to roll in:

Spain -14%
France -16%
Sweden -21%
...
Portugal down to an annualised circa 70,000 units a year for 10m population - 3rd World level.

Not only are these figures dreadful, they are declines off an already historically low base, after major declines in 2012.

Figures later today from Italy and Germany are expected to show similar double-digit declines.

The only major market in Europe still showing year-on-year gains is UK, but that is due to pre-registering on an epic scale and unsustainable sub prime-like finance offers, like 5 years to pay at 0% interest and zero downpayment, from GMAC/Ally.

The mainstream media want you to believe the global recovery story. The reality has never been so divergent.

Even the U.S. is make-believe, with distortions caused by 'channel stuffing' of dealers, and again sub-prime financing deals, to boost sales figures. Yesterday, the U.S. 'PMI' manufacturing index missed estimates by the most in 13 months, driven by a collapse in new orders.

Petrol/diesel in Europe is around $8 for a US gallon. The continent-wide 'cold snap', has doubled many people's fuel bills. Money left over for discretionary spending, like for a new car, is near non-existent.

The truth is, contrary to the daily peddled recovery/'Bright Future' meme by the media, the global car industry is in collapse, and has been since mid 2012, following the debt-driven global recovery of 2009-12.

It's fascinating that this reality has been able to be held from the ordinary folk for so long.

I, like you, love all the new, wonderful products this year. The problem is, however, 99% of the world's potential car buying population are tapped out by double digit price rises for staples and flat wages. The riot of new product, centred on around $50-100k purchase price, cannot be supported by the rapidly disappearing middle classes in Europe, the U.S. and elsewhere, the ones who still have a safe, well-paying job and substantial savings.

I said the last time I was here, around September 2012, that 2013 would be all about $/€10k runabouts, and not $50-100k high-end luxury and SUVs.

New product, like the S-class my move the needle a bit temporarily, but the reality is the buying of new cars in Europe and spreading elsewhere has collapsed and the reality of a global car industry in a flat-out tailspin will emerge from the media-hidden false reality this year.
 
I am already there, RSA - inflation, feul price going up for the 3rd time 2013, BMW M cars has poor residuals etc. etc.

If all goes according to plan, keep the X1 for eternity and I will order a 435i coupe. Down scaling is my fortune;)
 
We are not living in economically sustainable times. The bubble is getting bigger but its skin, thinner. Something will have to give at some point.
 
It is not just car prices. The whole western civilization is slowly, but surely, collapsing. Asians will start their domination and there is no going back.

Thr roman empire, then the British empire, then USA and now the Chinese century.
 
Don't worry, the 'BRICS's will save us, right? Isn't that what the 'experts' and our leaders tell us plebs constantly when we question how all this Wall Street/City based ponzi scheme will not collapse?:

http://ransquawk.com/headlines/braz...on-feb-m-m-2-5-vs-exp-2-0-prev-2-5-02-04-2013

If Brazil is is trouble, even with all the stimulus of the World Cup and the Olympics, and India's economy is in recession, and South Africa seems intent on a meltdown, economic and society wise, is China really gonna take up all the slack, along with a few London-residing 'Russian' oligarch criminals?

But Germany will save us, right?:

http://ransquawk.com/headlines/german-cpi-mar-p-m-m-0-5-vs-exp-0-4-prev-0-6-02-04-2013

The poor Germans now not only have to bailout Europe's bust banks but also suffer rampant inflation, at time of near economic collapse, due to the money printing of the European Central Bank, lowering the value of the Euro, and driving inflation in imported fuel cost.
 
No way, man. Every country for itself!

You screwed, you are screwed.

Whichever country can nourish their domestic consumption will win in the end and the rest will be beggers for bailouts.. Wait, some have been already.

Recession ? Go to Hong Kong, the gateway to China. Even crazier, go to Macau.

You will think that money grow on trees.

Time to stop partying like the Greeks were doing. WERE, because look at them now..
 
Check Russia in a couple of years... damn I don't like it at all...
There's no need of an Asian Union as there's one already and it's too strong.
Eastern Europe has it's chance now as there are great investment plans that are about to happen on our land during 2016-2022.
Countries like Portugal will soon be poorer than some E-EU countries as there's still some growth here.
I don't know if I should be happy as I was planning to go back to the US... let's wait and see.
I always say "interesting times ahead of us"... now they are already here.
 
I am looking at peugeot and citroen. Unlike othervcarmakers, their really rely on the European markets. They are not big in Asia and no one knows them in the US.

The day PSA collapses or bought by the Chinese, it signals the end of Europe as we know it.
 
I am looking at peugeot and citroen. Unlike othervcarmakers, their really rely on the European markets. They are not big in Asia and no one knows them in the US.

The day PSA collapses or bought by the Chinese, it signals the end of Europe as we know it.

Exactly. The PSA collapse will hurt EU more than people can even imagine.
 
Contrary to the overriding impression of buoyancy in the car industry by the media and a riot of new product to stimulate further growth, the reality has never been so different.

but the reality is the buying of new cars in Europe and spreading elsewhere has collapsed and the reality of a global car industry in a flat-out tailspin will emerge from the media-hidden false reality this year.

Are you saying there is a "media" conspiracy (in all publications in all countries?) to misstate car sales figures? This would also mean the car companies are faking their revenues and their auditors are in on it too?

Lucky that I read GCF so I could find out about this conspiracy before everyone else... gotta run, I got some BMW shares to sell :rolleyes:
 
I'm officialy rescinding my claim to be the most miserable, sullen and morose member of GCF. I just can't compete with Kilcrohane.
 
We are not living in economically sustainable times. The bubble is getting bigger but its skin, thinner. Something will have to give at some point.

Upon second thought, though, Kilcrohane seems to have a fair point. The greek economy is long gone and I don't know if you read anything about what's going on with Cyprus - they have to say goodbye to their economy as well. The rumours speak about Luxemburg as being next, yet Italy isn't in a better shape - they still haven't formed a government after the latest elections, in 25 February if I am not mistaken. Sure, they have very complicated election laws, but they seem to have reached a stalemate.

From my point of view, that of the lower end of middle class, I see the same thing that Kilcrohane wrote: The traditional european middle class will soon be dissappeared. Niveau-poor is the new term that describes a large part of the population in southern Europe and the future doesn't seem too bright.

Not even Germany seems to be immune to this situation, but discussing that would mean that I would have to break the no politics rule which, I, a few posts above, reminded.
 
With you there @Giannis forget the politics, but reality remains most Southern countries (south-America) and my beloved SA, Africa's strongest economy and the rest of Africa does not have a middle class. China is buying Africa for it to be the provider in the sense of a bread basket for the billions that has to eat. Yet not in the next century will there be a middle class come out of Africa nor South America. What supports the fact that BRIC's won't add nothing to soften the worsening situation.
 
If EU and the US is going down slowly..i can only imagine what will happen to me beloved Egypt.Crap.
 
For every person saying that there is a conspiracy by the media to cover up the impending doom of the financial crisis, there is another saying the media is whipping up a storm and it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

This is the internet. It's the Speaker's Corner for the 21st Century and where every nutter can have an opinion.
 
The entire western economic model needs to be re-evaluated from Taxation to how companies(barring the Germans) are run.
Sales taxes are flawed, taxation of properties to fund States/Provincial governments are flawed. The concept of operating an economy with focus on the service sectors is flawed. The top heavy compensation structure of companies is flawed.
 
fairly decent summary by Zerohedge of the U.S.'s March sales 'increase':

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...month-hurricane-sandy-replacement-cycle-fades

they put it down to hurricane Sandy replacement and relaxed lending standards. I personally would go far more with loans for new car buying in the US being handed out like confetti, and ramped up sales to fleets, govt. and daily rental markets, at near or below cost price, to keep factories running, driving this magical sales increase, against a collapsing real economic situation for 90% plus of the American population.

Italy came in a little better than the predicted doubledigit drop for March. But this was wholly due to the home player, Fiat, stuffing its dealerships with thousands of units of pre-registered launch/demo stock of its new 500L model.

Full year 2013 for Italy is predicted to be below 1.5m, or less than half the 3m+ in the 'boom' years of the early to mid 2000s.
 

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