Hot! Rust found in cabins of brand new BMW 1 Series, 3 Series!

[Merc1]

Also, people have to stop this crap about "BMW/Mercedes doesn't care about your sale, they'll find others". That's BS, and ANYONE who says that HAS NEVER RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, PERIOD! It's armchair racing. Anybody who understands the dynamics understands that every sale counts, and EVERY buyer counts, because in this day and age, that buyer has an opinion that can influence friends, family, Websites, random people, AND MESSAGE BOARDS THAT GET THOUSANDS OF HITS. You don't p*ss on customers, especially continuous customers, I don't care how big you are. Go to an Apple Store and see how well treated you will get by an employee, how strict their guidelines to be personal to you are, this is the making of success. Not "if you don't like it, we'll replace you".

No one is saying this about the rust issue, only about you not liking a facelift. Big difference.

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[Giannis]

We will not hear anything untill the situation has been thoroughly assessed...

Did BMW actually accept the issues with Mini's 1.6 engine, the ones you also experienced? I believe there was a recall in the US, but nothing here...

 

[Mr. Mercedes]

I've long given up on submitting good quality posts because they can so quickly be undermined by utter drivel responses dressed up as considered and valuable opinion. We're so sensitive and defensive on this forum that we unwittingly deter creative, informed input and robust debate. We've lost the ability to distinguish a robustly argued point from personal insult.

There are members on here who continually and consistently get away with insulting posts. Is it because they are considered well thought out and valuable? If moderators are unwilling to take a stand against this sort of behavior, it's no wonder the content and quality of posts have declined. It becomes the norm, people retaliate, rightly or wrongly, and people who do have something valuable to contribute refrain from doing so.

 

[K-A]

No one is saying this about the rust issue, only about you not liking a facelift. Big difference.

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Wrong. Same difference. It's called "pissing on customers and turning them away".

You can't replace customers. You can get new ones, but you can't gain a new one simply because you turn away an old one.

 

[Merc1]

Wrong. Same difference. It's called "pissing on customers and turning them away".

You can't replace customers. You can get new ones, but you can't gain a new one simply because you turn away an old one.

No you're wrong because you aren't getting it. I'm saying who here is saying the hell with the customers over the rust issue? Anyone who is doing that is out of their mind. I agree with that, but just because you don't like a facelift is indeed your problem. Mercedes is supposed to consult you before they do a facelift? Wrong again.

You not liking a facelift is your own personal issue and the truth of the matter is Mercedes will find more customers with an improved car. Whether you like it or not. A facelift is not a defect. This rust issue is, and a very big one.

Huge difference. One happens all the time (facelift), the other (rust) should never happen. If you think its the same thing then you're just lost in your own malaise of personal feelings, and not dealing in reality.


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[Mr Robert]

Did BMW actually accept the issues with Mini's 1.6 engine, the ones you also experienced? I believe there was a recall in the US, but nothing here...

No recall here - a lot of the chain tensioners were replaced (repeatedly) under warranty, but, as far as I know, the basic design is so flawed, that no permanent solution has ever been found. BMW, on the other hand, said for every revision of the tensioner, that the problem was fixed.

 

[Trevor Diederich]

I hope it is since they completely deserve it.