Chris Bangle Now

How is Chris Bangle Now

  • Yes, I was wrong to think that he was taking BMW in the wrong direction. He is a good designer

    Votes: 18 26.1%
  • No, I will stand by what I have always said. He is messing up BMW and he is not good at designing.

    Votes: 16 23.2%
  • I have always supported Chris Bangle from the beginning.

    Votes: 35 50.7%

  • Total voters
    69

Michael

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For a while there, a couple of years ago, some of us even myself had issues with Chris Bangle. Some felt that he had essentially begun to turn BMW in a direction that would evetually destroy it.

Now, in restrospect, I can see that we did not see where we were going, and that was probably why we were apprehensive. However, in my opinion, things have really changed and the designs have begun, if not all, to grow on me and many of you out there.

So, with that said, looking at things retrospectively, and being able to analyze the current production line, what are you feelings of Chris Bangle. Were you wrong to assert that he was taking BMW in the wrong direction? or, do you still think that he is a horrible designer.

I at one time thought that Bangle was not the best choice. However, I have changed my opinion, and I did this a long time ago. I don't know what it was but I really think it was the 7er. I know the 7er wasn't everyone's taste, but something about it called my name.
 
Well I always appreciated what Bangle was doing and was quite excited by the 7er ...and it is still a more fully resolved design than the W221's.

To be perfectly honest, I think too much was made of the 7ers "radicalism", is was right for the time.
 
I never really hated bangle but I did have a bit of a problem with the 7 though. I mean the car was really good looking but the front was really freakin' ugly. I had no problems with the so called "bangle butt" and I absolutely loved the rear of the car and ever since then I have liked all the cars except the X3, 1, and sometimes Z4 from some angles. I have tremendous respect for him, and I actually would love to talk to him about design one day.
 
Years from now, I think the original E65 will be looked upon as a watershed moment both for BMW and the premium car business in general.
 
I like all Bangle cars bar the 6er, kind of makes me agitated because I feel it lacks the definitive proportions that made the original 6er such a great looking car. The E63 is just kind of all over the place, however I find the M6 to be very attractive and mainly because I feel the wheels match the design of the car perfectly, better than any of the other available rim chioces. I've several 645's/650's w/ these wheels and the cars look great. I'll take a rain check for the next generation. Speaking of which I think will be quite attractive cars now that BMW's design team has had time to study the "flame design" philosiphy out in the real world in how it gels in w/ the landscape.
 
I have been a fan of Bangle's designs since the Z4 and E60 platform however I wasnt as sure about the 7 series even though overall i still liked it.

P.S. Like my inverted color avatar?? It shows the the design in a different light which kind of gives one a new fresh perspective..
 
I don't like him nor his designs that much, but I can't deny just how much of an influence his designs have made to the current crop of cars.
 
i was with him from the beginning, so i guess i have to vote the third option.
 
I've always liked BMW since before I can remember. When the 7er came out, I didn't care for it that much because I didn't see what the big deal was. Sure it went far from what old BMWs used to look like, but I didn't find it that shocking. I didn't think it was the prettiest car in the world nor did I find it the hardest to digest.
The moment I really paid attention to Bangle was when the Z4 came out. I remember thinking that this car looks like an aggressive shark (it was silver). Then the E60 came out and I thought that that looked great as well. The rest is history. I'm definitely loving the new cars.
 
I voted 'Yes, I was wrong to think that he was taking BMW in the wrong direction. He is a good designer!'

When I first saw the pictures of the 7er this is what I thought, but when I saw it in the flesh, it completely changed my mind!

I even remember putting down my name on that online petitionto get Bangle fired, how stupid I was!
 
Actually I like his first work better than the stuff they make now. With some exceptions.

The first remake of the 7er was great, it just looked so good but people complained and the design got worse imo. And the front lights of the 5er aren't that great but when I saw the M5 or a normal 5er with sportpackage it actually looked wonderful from every angle. The Z3 Coupe is just a work of art and so is the Z4 and Z4 Coupe.

It started out great, got worse and it seems like it's going in the right direction now. Go BMW!

And even if they didn't look so good I'd still like them because I like BMW's car philosofy.
 
I've been supporting & approving BMW's new design direction from the begining. My interest in BMW peaked with this new design language.

We should be aware the new direction is not only Bangle's "child" - but all the Board of Management (especially Goeschel, Milberg - ex CEO, and Panke) was behind it. They opted for this avant-garde option. Yes, Bangle was advocating this way, and BoM listened to him & his arguments. Mind that BMW was deciding to go retro, pure evolution, avant-garde, or start completely new design for BMW brand ("new birth"). And they've gone with avant-garde: the design as we have it now.

Bangle was hired by BMW way back in 1992 because of its fresh ideas, superb orginazational skills, his sense for motivation, and most important: he being very visionary. He is not known for his design skils, but being more of a leader in ideas & a great manager. I must point out again: he has designed NONE of the BMW vehicles. He is there to lead, to manage, to teach, not to design.

Bangle is very intelectual. I can say he is a true genious.

What I admire about BMW design is that it is beyond raw design - it also possesses a content, not only a form. It's an idea, a concept, a philosophy. It's more than just a design.
 
Banglism is a philosophy unto itself

i remember when i first saw the E65, i said to myself, its odd, its not ugly, its just not the BMW we have grown with,
BMW have always been excellent carmakers, except they have never been adventurous with design since the prewar days, they were people who licked every aspect of engineering, yet gave us insipid, although immesely pleasing designs of whom the only thing that can be said is "one weiner, three sizes"

bangle (and of course hoonydonk and the team) effectively managed to unroot an age old tradition form existence and start on a tabula rasa

what bangle did to BMW and car design more generally can only be compared to such milestones as the invention of the engine, injection and other major landmarks, he took design out of the long held traditions of "form follows function" held by the engineering oriented germans, and that of "passionate organic oriented design" held by the likes of the italians although in itself an oxymoron.

bangle and co. ushered in an era of "dynamic" and "humanized" design, to used their own words, what they did was actually quite simplistic, they dared those small steps that none dared to do, like the melding of concave and convex surfaces, the powerful body lines, and an even more simplistic idea of widening the boot aperture to extend over the body (the bangle butt)

these ideas where quite revolutionary unto themselves, especially when done in combination, but their success cannot be questioned given such powerful testimonies as the spread of the bangle butt from a "lowly" kia rio to the "allpowerful" S class, the powerful body language has spread too, after so much criticism form the industry to almost all brands, and more importandly, the overwhelming sales the BMW brand ahs seen

as Osna said the E65 is a landmark design, it was that particular point that changed all, just like writing marked the difference between history and prehistory, i am sure a lot of neaderthals must have said what is writing useful for? our old cave drawings are just as good, and besides its too complex to learn to read and write, and look what came of that, think of this and you get an idea of the power and imporatnce of the E65

no revolution comes in silence, silent revolutions take too much time and ultimately leave no real mark on history, such a bold move was required by some company sooner or later, Bangle did it with BMW and threw the gauntlet to everybody else including archrival MB whose only recent "revolution" had been the twin eyed frogface of the E class in 1995.

kudos to Bangle and co, and more so for the archconservative bunch of BMW who knew what to do and when to do it. the E65 in my eyes, can only compare to the 2002, that particular model exectued with the greatest "audace" at one of BMW's lowliest points after the rover debacle and that magically turned BMW back to number 1

it is such powerful guts and audace that make or break the auto industry, and it took a bearded four eyed, once aspiring methodist preacher to overthrow decades of rotting tradition.

Banglism is essentially a dynamic design with human, not organic features, cars now have real character, especially those executed under him, not most wannabees, including the S. each BMW has its own character, its own special bits and nibbles that make a 5 a 5, a 3 a 3, etc..., and that yet all share the same general philosphy that makes them ultimately all BMW, compare this to the bauhaus of audi, or the messy lineup of insecure design MB has, and you realize the genius of Bangle and the whole designworks team

no lineup is so coherent as BMW's, and none has so much distinctive cars. no one can confuse models, unless he be a total schmuck, slap this with near perfect engineering, the bets mix of sport and lux, with bleeding edge technology years ahead of everybody else in the areas of ergonomics and cockpit control, and ultimately you are bound to get the most succesful car company of the early 21st century
 
just for history, my post was written before i read eni's and zonda's, but it took me a hell of a lot of time to mull it over a cheese and ham
sandwich ;)
yes i know i am being a bit of a child :D
 
I think Chris Bangle has laid claim to this age of automobile design-
If he hadn't come along (and BMW given him the influence he has)
I suspect we'd still be seeing retro-infused designs...a pastiche of
recycled ideas from the past ala JMays.
Bangle isn't the only good designer out there or the only good thinker-
but he is the best because he has such a great eye and intellectual capacity for singling out the best ideas and giving them context.
Linking flame surfaces in a recent interview to the work of the Futurist artist Umberto Boccioni was brilliant.

So often, when new ideas are introduced, the listener or viewer is somewhat skeptical-
Bangle was very sly to connect sharp-edged convex and concave surfaces on automobiles to a high-culture pedigree and give it a catchy name.

“Flame Surfaces”. It sounds so cool...so now....and makes what might be a boring explanation of a design concept into a unforgettable motto.
 
I was wrong, I admit it....I've come a long way to love the 5-series (I hated it!)...I guess the looks kinda grew on me...but I still do not think he's such a fantastic designer...I think we're givin him too much credit...he sure shook things up, but to to even mention that the current design approach in the automobile industry is a result of his efforts, is pure stupidity IMO...he definitely revolutionized BMW into something I don't quite appriciate, but he is not the prophet we think he is and want to be...
 
I remember a while back, with the old M5, Bangle did a commentary, which I hope Just Me can find it since he is so good at finding things, in which he captivated the M5 in such a different manner that I was just "brain washed immediately."

The flare design on the Z4 also really captivated me. I know some people really don't like the Z4, but there is something about the cars sharp subtle edges that makes me look at it very differntly from any other roadster out there.
 
I remember about 6 years ago there was a video (back then, something special) on the BMW website with Chris Bangle giving a talk about the design of the E46. About the sounds, the lines and the slope of the hood.

Little did we know...

I won't credit Chris and the gang for ushering in a new era of automotive design, but I will credit him for generating a very disruptive and effective wake up call that resonated with proponents and detractors alike. Since when have you heard casual folk talk so much about design or designers?

I'll also credit he and the team for making the '00s official with the E65. It'll be looked upon as the one moment of punctuated evoution that shook everybody up and primed the world for what was to come. A shame that the shocking lines became so diluted with the facelift. Much as I still like the 7er, I think the post-FL look is quite inert when compared to the original idea.
 
James said:
I think Chris Bangle has laid claim to this age of automobile design-
If he hadn't come along (and BMW given him the influence he has)
I suspect we'd still be seeing retro-infused designs...a pastiche of
recycled ideas from the past ala JMays.
Bangle isn't the only good designer out there or the only good thinker-
but he is the best because he has such a great eye and intellectual capacity for singling out the best ideas and giving them context.
Linking flame surfaces in a recent interview to the work of the Futurist artist Umberto Boccioni was brilliant.


Also perhaps the F117 Nighthawk Stealth-Fighter was also inspirational.

 

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Isnt Adrian van Hooydoonk a designer in Mr Bangles staff?

I hardly enjoyed the 7 or the z4, but the z4coupe is beatiful! And isnt that a colaboration-draw with Adrian van Hoydoonk?

I always kinda liked the E46 shape. and remember Chris Bangle talking himself warm about the energy in its design.Like the 7 I remember the day first time my eyes fell on the 3r lines. the light of the day, the interruption(!) in the city enviroment.My favorite.

Now the z4 Coupë carries this philosophy of design, wich i prefer.Nothing wrong with the other babys, but their further away from perfect.

But I'll admit the range of BMW's are uniqe, and the strongest among Deutches automobilen
 

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