BMW beats Infiniti in battle over M


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TORONTO (CP) - BMW has prevailed over Infiniti in a court battle over the letter M.

The ruling by Federal Court Justice W. Andrew MacKay found that the use of the letter by Infiniti, the premium Laughing Laughing Laughing brand of Japanese carmaker Nissan or Datsun, "in form similar to that of the plaintiffs' trademark M alone, and its use of M6 as a package for modifying one of its vehicles, cause confusion in Canada between the sources of the wares of the defendant and the wares of the plaintiffs."

BMW has been adding M badges to souped-up versions of its already high-performance cars since 1978 in Germany and 1987 in Canada, when the M6 arrived, followed by the M3, the M5 and other variants.

The German carmaker (and the world's greatest carmket) argued that these vehicles have come to be known, "particularly by auto journalists and car enthusiasts," as M cars which enhance the image and sales of the rest of its fleet.

Infiniti, meanwhile copied their competiors by registering M45 in 2004 and M35 in 2005 as trademarks for sedans in the middle of its range, and in some advertising has used the letter M alone. It also offered an M6 sport package for its lower-priced G35.

The judge found Datsun/Nissan "liable, in damages to be determined . . . for the use of the letter M and the descriptor M6, as trademarks for automobiles, parts and accessories, which caused a likelihood of confusion between the sources of its wares and of BMW's."

Datsun or Nissan for those of you in Rio Linda was barred from directing public attention to its products in any way likely to cause confusion.

"The defendant is also ordered to deliver to the plaintiffs or to destroy under oath, all literature, invoices, packaging, signs, advertisements, promotional or marketing material, printed or otherwise recorded, in the possession, custody or control of the defendant which may be considered to offend the injunction now granted."

Officals from BMW stated that, "This is nothing new, the Japanese steal everything from the Americans and Europeans, now its names of products, typical."

Submissions will be considered later on monetary damages and legal costs.
 
Re: Infiniti comes up empty in court battle against BMW over letter M

I always wondered why Infiniti was even allowed to create an M35 and M45 when it could confuse some people into thinking that BMW was making a "smaller M 5-Series"... :confused:
 
Re: Infiniti comes up empty in court battle against BMW over letter M

I always wondered why Infiniti was even allowed to create an M35 and M45 when it could confuse some people into thinking that BMW was making a "smaller M 5-Series"... :confused:

MB has had the same problem with BMW over the 'M' letter I believe; when MB launched the first ML, they called it 'M klasse' I believe. BMW went to court and won. MB had to put the L behind ML ;)
 
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Today's tale of litigation between automakers is brought to you by the letter M, which both BMW and Infiniti are claiming rights to use in a Canadian court. Unfortunately for Infiniti, BMW has been using the letter M to designate its many performance variants since 1978 in Germany and 1987 in Canada. Infiniti, however, only registered the names M45 in 2004 and M35 in 2005. As such, Infiniti has lost the battle over M, at least in Canada.

The silly thing is that Infiniti could have avoided being sued by BMW if it had steered clear of using the letter M alone in advertisements. It also produced a model of the G35 coupe it called the M6, which obviously steps on the toes of BMW's own high-end M6 coupe. Had Infiniti gone on just using the M45 and M35 monikers alone, it would likely not be liable for damages in a Canadian court right now. The amount of damages that Infiniti must pay BMW has yet to be determined, but in the meantime it has to "deliver to the plaintiffs [BMW] or to destroy under oath, all literature, invoices, packaging, signs, advertisements, promotional or marketing material, printed or otherwise recorded, in the possession, custody or control of the defendant."
 
No prob dude.... Its all good.... didnt see the thread... :t-cheers:
 
Officals from BMW stated that, "This is nothing new, the Japanese steal everything from the Americans and Europeans, now its names of products, typical."

This is not an unusual opinion of other than people who like Asian cars. But as an official statement from an automaker? Harsch.
 
This is not an unusual opinion of other than people who like Asian cars. But as an official statement from an automaker? Harsch.

you know about Aftonbladet? ;) lot of garbage there and everything you read isnt true. So how do we know BMW people really said this?
 
you know about Aftonbladet? ;) lot of garbage there and everything you read isnt true. So how do we know BMW people really said this?

Well, in a sence we know it is true - just not sure if BMW said it :)

As I have said before, the reason why some people always greets a new german car model with praise like "is looks lika an Asian car", "typical Asian design" or "the front end looks like from a Toyota". Feels like Asian car makers has been a little to inspired by their german friends for so long that some people actually think the desing is Asian when a new German car is first shown. :t-banghea
 
WOW! i totally forgot about that. i didn't even know they followed through with it, I'm glad they won.

Did BMW win any money or anything?
 
BMW loses ‘M’ battle with Nissan
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BMW has lost a court battle in Canada to prevent Nissan from using the letter ‘M’ for what BMW describes as its rival’s “inferior and more modestly priced” models. The latest announcement comes several months after BMW originally won an injunction to stop Nissan from using the letter. The original injunction was later overturned on appeal.
Part of BMW’s problem is the difficulty in proving that there was a trademark infringement but that won’t stop it from appealing the latest decision, reports the Financial Post. Officials from Munich didn’t object to Nissan using the letter for the Infiniti “M35″ and “M45″ but when the Japanese carmaker ran an advertisement in Canada, which stated “the M is coming,” they decided to take action.
BMW’s only option now is to either petition the Supreme Court to listen to its case or reach an agreement with Nissan.
 
BMW has lost a court battle in Canada to prevent Nissan from using the letter ‘M’ for what BMW describes as its rival’s “inferior and more modestly priced” models.


Lol...Now that is SOME nerve. The M45 is no where a inferior product. It is a reasonable product with an excellent value.

After driving the M45 sport I would take it over a M3 anyday. Maybe not an M5.

Now on the other hand Infiniti did try the "Q" issue against Audi. So I guess you can call it Karma. :t-hands:
 
Wow, youd take an M45 over an M3?? .. the new one?
I wouldn`t even bother comparing the two..
 
Wow, youd take an M45 over an M3?? .. the new one?
I wouldn`t even bother comparing the two..


Yes, your right they in completely different segments. The issue is if I had the money to purchase either of these vehicles I would pick the Infiniti in a heart beat.

See I like German vehicles, but I am not blinded by them. I drove the new 3 series and it was nice, but I would never buy one. To me it's not "all that" as everyone claims it is. It's a toy I like the big boy vehicles. Why would I buy a 3 series or a C-class. I might as well get me a Corolla for the amount of room I'm getting. Not trying to insult Benz or BMW, but small luxury cars mean nothing to me. Maybe everyone else feels different, but thats them. The M45 sport I drove was an excellent vehicle and I can see me owning it for the next few years.

The 3 series has absolutly nothing I want. For them to say Infiniti M was an inferior product was an insult. To me BMW acts like there better then everyone else and that is what keeps me from buying their cars.
 
The 3 series has absolutly nothing I want. For them to say Infiniti M was an inferior product was an insult. To me BMW acts like there better then everyone else and that is what keeps me from buying their cars.

if they compared infinti M45 to the new M3 V8 I understand them. M3 is a sportcar, in the same league as C63, RS4 911 etc. Infiniti doesnt have a performance car with more than 400hp. M45 is just a normal car and not as special compared to the ones mentioned earlier.
 
if they compared infinti M45 to the new M3 V8 I understand them. M3 is a sportcar, in the same league as C63, RS4 911 etc. Infiniti doesnt have a performance car with more than 400hp. M45 is just a normal car and not as special compared to the ones mentioned earlier.

Oh yes, I understand they can't be compared. On the other hand because it's an M with a lot of horsepower doesn't justify the inferior comment. Thats all I am saying.

More horsepower doesn't justify superiority. It simply the word they used is what bothered me.


M5 yes, but M3 no.
 

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