Pictures The Dark Side of the Rising Sun: 2007 Lexus LS460


Mr. M

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So yes, we finally went back to owning a Japanese car after 20+ years of being sat in a German car (and one Italian :D).

It was not an easy decision, because the current E-Class was more appropriate in size to what my dad had in mind. We wouldn't change it if it drove as nicely as it should. But the four pot turbo and five speed auto of the E250 CGI was too much to take. It was jerky like a learner driver, noisy like any typical base model (except that it was badged as an E250 - so we feel it's definitely a downgrade from the E240 V6 of the W211) and also threw up suspension issues since day one. We decided - we had enough of dealing with the consistent issues in German cars (though they are noticeably lesser in recent days) and thought, why not try one of the most reliable brands in the world, Lexus? Besides, my dad has never driven a Lexus before so it would be a nice experience.

The first drive kind of sealed the deal. 96,000km on the clock for a December 2006 LS460 and it still felt 95% new. Nothing was broken and the car still goes like the day it was new. The pictures below should give an idea just how outstandingly little the wear and tear is. The drive - I have to admit - is cosseting and quiet. It is the quietest car I have ever sat in, probably equivalent to a Phantom I sat in Vegas but somehow, I think the LS430 is a tad quieter than all of them. The drivetrain is smoother than butter - 8-speeds and that V8 is a perfect pair. Certainly a big step up from the E250. I know it's a rather unfair comparison, but the fact is that the depreciation on the LS for the past few years made it only slightly more expensive than the E250 to keep, including road tax, insurance and fuel. So in terms of running costs they are running pretty close.

Handling is typical of a Lexus. Nothing of the new sporty style of the new GS. This one floats over the road and dives when braking. There is nothing of the confidence behind the wheel like in the E-Class. It doesn't hold the road well and you always feel very detached from everything. But hey, my dad doesn't feel a difference and for him, this car feels better actually because he has different priorities in a car. So it all fits in nicely.

4 days of ownership so far and I we are actually very satisfied... I think I derive my satisfaction very differently in a Lexus. It's the peace of mind of rock solid reliability, the fact that the air-con is arctic cold (important for a tropical climate in Singapore), the fact that we have many more toys that come with the car as standard (Mark Levinson system, air-cooled seats, etc) that enhances every aspect of comfort for the occupants. Also, it's even quite efficient for a 4.6L - we're doing 14L/100km so far, better than the D3 A8 4.2q we had before (AWD for sure played a part). It's that worry-free experience and stress-relieving drive that makes it special. Not the handling. That's fine by me... At least the car is unpretentious and knows what it is all about. Kudos. Which is also why I don't like where Lexus is going with F sport on the LS... But I'd understand if they want to improve the handling and keep everything else as it is.

So, enough of talk, here are the pictures. BTW, Lenspeed is my website, feel free to see it: http://www.lenspeed.com ;)

Enjoy!

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Being Japanese doesn't mean being cheap! They like their digital things, including this clock.

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Ambient lighting very subtle and a bit of a disappointment after getting used to what the Germans can do. It's like a Japanese tea room.

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Air-conditioning EVERYWHERE, including on top of your head! (not pictured)

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Thanks Bruce. I actually read a lot of your Toyota and Lexus articles while deciding. :D

Hehe that's awesome. :D Those were the days. Crikey, I haven't written in ages, literally!

I agree with not being a fan of the F-sport package for the LS. Just too much. The LS looks best in it's base body-spec.
 
Hehe that's awesome. :D Those were the days. Crikey, I haven't written in ages, literally!

I agree with not being a fan of the F-sport package for the LS. Just too much. The LS looks best in it's base body-spec.

I've been guilty of that too. I've been writing intermittently but not on a regular basis. Sigh...

Yes! Also, the cookie-cutter interior is a bit disappointing in the 2013 LS, it's like almost a complete carry over from the new GS. Would have loved some imagination with it, even though the interior quality does look like it got a lift up!
 
The LS seems to be understandably better bang for your buck with great interior features, but how do you feel about the classiness and styling of the interior cabin, compared to the E class?
 
Sweet photos. It looks brnd new on the inside. I can attest to the quietness of the car. Even the previous generation is silent as silent can be.
 
Mmmm, I can feel the relaxing environment even through the screen!

Even a 10 year old LS is superbly quiet and relaxing by todays standards. Which also is the only experience I have of the LS.
 
The LS seems to be understandably better bang for your buck with great interior features, but how do you feel about the classiness and styling of the interior cabin, compared to the E class?

To be very honest? Driving it on the first day... It did not feel unlike a Camry sometimes, with the style of the dash, the texture of the buttons and the steering feel. There is a definite lack of a sense of occasion inside the LS. It is clearly a well-built environment, probably the best put-together interior in its price segment... But build quality is totally separate from perceived quality. In the perception, in the "soft" aspects, such as ambience, ambient lighting at night, tactile feel from pressing buttons/activating the toys... The Lexus still falls short. It is not easy to explain, because the Japanese definitely have attention to detail, but they lack in the artful application of that attention. It's all very precise and impossibly well-engineered, but there is that soul missing.

That said, I do feel that the Japanese has gotten within 99% of perfect build quality, while the Germans are about 80-90% there, but together with a lot more soul and nice touches. It all depends on what your priorities in a car is I guess. (y) After owning many problematic German cars, I think my family places build quality and dependability even higher than the 'feel good' factor. Sure, there is less of a sense of occasion, but there are other things to enjoy which you can't in a German car (or you pay a lot more for it).

It's interesting to see how the Singapore luxury car market seems to resonate more closely with the American market taste rather than the European tastes. Maybe that is why the LS460 is doing relatively well here despite its tax-unfriendly large engine. I see many more LS460s than S500s or 750is, at least 5 times the number.

Sweet photos. It looks brnd new on the inside. I can attest to the quietness of the car. Even the previous generation is silent as silent can be.

You're being very kind Luw. :D I know you're holding back your bashing... Ha ha! Just kidding. Of course I know you only mean the best.

That aside, Lexus seems to have tackled the two most major flaws of our LS in the 2013 model - interior sense of occasion and handling. I can't wait to try it.
 
Congrats. The current LS is easily the best one yet. Having driven a Lexus now for about a year I can attest to what you're saying above. They probably the best car in the world for the daily grind. For what I need my IS250 for it works brilliantly as will your LS460.

M
 
One thing I forgot to mention is the aftersales support. Note that our car is already out of the manufacturer's warranty (which was 5 five years by the way).

But the dealer honoured their word that all LS owners will get the same standard of service, regardless of whether their cars are warrantied or not. So today, we got a call that our LS is due for a service and that somebody would be picking up our car, free of charge, from our home to get it serviced. They will also drive it back home when they are done. They also gave us a priority on the queue for servicing. They treat their top-tier LS customers the best. Now that's service... We will never get that at MB, FOC.

Their service lounge is pretty swell too. A free flow of delicious cakes and drinks plus newspapers and plush sofas. Details like that are nice and makes car ownership complete, not just ending when the transaction is finished.
 
Yes the service is tremendous. I would actually buy a Lexus when/if they truly made something lust worthy, well outside of the LF-A. I'm really hoping that this:

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..turns into a just as stunning production car. This should take about 3-4 years.


M
 
Congrats James, great photos too. Your family sure went through a lot of cars, from the Phaeton, A8, Quattroporte, E-class and now the LS.

Also I will like to say it is fantastic to see all the old members back in here especially with the return of Bruce and James, it feels like the good old German car forum.
 
Nice catch there! I wish they would make real diesels...

Yes, me too - but unfortunately that still hasn't caught up in Japan and indeed, in Asia!

Congrats James, great photos too. Your family sure went through a lot of cars, from the Phaeton, A8, Quattroporte, E-class and now the LS.

Also I will like to say it is fantastic to see all the old members back in here especially with the return of Bruce and James, it feels like the good old German car forum.

We sure did. There is so much to learn from every car we've owned.

Yes, the community feels good. :)
 
I've been guilty of that too. I've been writing intermittently but not on a regular basis. Sigh...

Yes! Also, the cookie-cutter interior is a bit disappointing in the 2013 LS, it's like almost a complete carry over from the new GS. Would have loved some imagination with it, even though the interior quality does look like it got a lift up!

Impeccably engineered I'm sure, but yeah, fairly disappointing. Out of curiousity James, how popular are Lexus' in Singapore? Is the LS's something you'll see often?
 
Impeccably engineered I'm sure, but yeah, fairly disappointing. Out of curiousity James, how popular are Lexus' in Singapore? Is the LS's something you'll see often?

The LS460 is a pretty rare car, in the sense that it will never populate the roads like how the S300L/S350L and 730Lis do. However, considering that I see a S500 only about once every few months, and not a 750Li at all, the LS does seem to outnumber its V8 competitors comfortably. I see a LS about twice a day.

Lexus in general is very popular in Singapore. Still behind Mercedes and BMW in sales, but they are at least third or fourth place in the premium luxury sector.

We just sent the LS for its 100,000km service today - or rather somebody picked it up. He says he has worked in Lexus for over 20 years and to call him 'Uncle Lee', in case we need anything. One rather worrying comment he made was that the replacement for the air suspension will cost about US$6,000 and headlight replacement (both) will cost about US$850. We're hoping we don't be shocked with a large bill tomorrow, although we think it should be alright!

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