Spoke With a BMW Engine Engineer Today


cawimmer430

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Today was the funeral of my Aunt Leine who basically died a week ago from the effects of a second stroke. The whole extended family and distant relatives showed up for the funeral at Moosburg. I didn't take any pictures because it's not an occassion you want to photograph. Anyway, after the funeral, we all ate at a local restaurant and I sat next to a guy who works for BMW: Engine Development department!!! I immediately bombarded him with tons of questions and later asked him for some tips of how to get into BMW.

Anyway, here are some questions I asked him and his response. He's the guy next to me. His wife and kids are on my left. The woman on the far left of the picture is a distant relative of mine, Krista. Don't ask how we're related, it's too confusing for me to understand. Family lines confuse me.



My first question was if he'd been involved in the development of the new M5 V10. Nope, that was done by the boys and girls at BMW M.

Then I asked him about the BMW 335i. I wanted to know if the BMW 335i was the answer to the Lexus IS350, as the Lexus "fanboys" (fanboys, not fans) like to claim. He said no since BMW had been working on this engine for four (4) years now. He also said that although BMW's philosophy was all about naturally aspirated engines, they wanted to produce something that would leave the competition behind and hence used the more efficient method of forced induction, especially after witnessing the success of turbos on some Audi and Mercedes' cars. The BMW engine department resorted to using them for the 335i to put a "mega blow" to the competition. He also said that he'd driven it and it is brutally fast. BMW also expects to sell a lot of these in Europe, despite the high fuel prices. And that's the reason, he claims, that BMW is also offering a diesel alternative to the 335i: the 335d.


Then he began lecturing me about why BMW's X-Drive is the best in the business and why Audi and Mercedes's Quattro and 4Matic aren't even close. Here I thought he was a bit BMW biased, especially since a FWD car in his own words was "Scheissdreck" (POS, basically). He gave Audi credit for being the first producer to bring about mass-produced cars with AWD. However, he said this was due to Audi's need for a reliable power delivery system on their more powerful cars. As most Audi's are FWD (even today), it was natural to go with the Quattro (AWD) setup. At least, that's the version he gave me. Whether this is correct or not, I don't know, but he sure knew his stuff about BMW engines and how the company works.


I also asked him if BMW sampled cars from the competition. He said, yep, they do this all the time. I specifically asked about the 3-Series competitors and this is what he said about the cars when he drove the 4 / 6-cylinder versions of these. Note that this applies to Europe, hence the lack of Acura and Infiniti.

The Audi and Mercedes are the most serious competitors to the BMW 3-Series. Both handle sporty and a Quattro equipped Audi is better in the wet than a RWD BMW. He said the Audi engines generally weren't as smooth as the BMW versions. The Mercedes engines were a little better. He was impressed with the 1.8-l supercharged MB 4-cyliner (What have I been saying all along!? Huh!?:eusa_danc ) The C-Class is the most comfortable, he said, while still managing to drive sporty. Engine response could be a little better though. The Lexus IS250 is no threat dynamically, he said. The engine is smooth but the response is slow, the fuel consumption is unacceptable and the car feels sluggish. Handling isn't that good either and the suspension is too hard. If this car was meant to tackle the 3-Series, he said, they'd better work harder. The Jaguar X-Type is a pure cruiser with average engines, no threat to the 3-Series. He also called the Mercedes A-Class, B-Class and non-Quattro Audi A3's a "Witz (joke) because they were FWD. I think that's what I didn't like about this guy, he doesn't like FWD and makes a big deal out of it. There's also a bunch of other cars he had to evaluate like the Saab 9-3 etc. but I didn't ask about them.

I know he's in the engine development department, but part of his job according to him is to test some of the competitor engines for smoothness, power delivery etc. There's your answer why he and his guys would be testing foreign cars.


He also mentioned other parts of BMW like their employee benefit programs etc. So that's basically it.

EDIT: Forgot to post this. Spotted a few days ago: BMW 335i Coupe. Looks pretty hot.



 
I also don't like FWD because it's a Japanese specialist and i don't like Japanese cars. RWD is the best then AWD and this coupe is very very nice if you see it on the street
 
Sorry but the car that would make FWD popular was the Mini.
And now BMW owns MINI.
What a paradox, the simbols of FWD and RWD under the same roof. :D

So does this guy hates the MINI too ?!
 
Imhotep Evil said:
So does this guy hates the MINI too ?!

You've got a point. I'm sure he approves of Mini ;)

Anyways great story, thanks Christian. Good 335i picture too, i've seen a few around my hometown and i've got to say it's a hot car. Subtle, good looking styling combined with Turbo power :t-drive:

My favourite BMW currently on sale :usa7uh:
 
Wow, great write up Christian, thanks for that mate.:usa7uh:

Whatever this guy says about FWD, truth is FWD cars are much more practical to use on everyday basis and can be fun to drive (Golf GT and Mini Cooper have proven that). On the other hand more expensive/luxury cars should be AWD or RWD i agree, I never understood why Audi is offering a FWD A8 for example.
 
Yannis said:
Wow, great write up Christian, thanks for that mate.:usa7uh:

I never understood why Audi is offering a FWD A8 for example.

is that true A8 is using FWD we don't have this in arab gulf we only have quattro
 
MB_AD said:
I also don't like FWD because it's a Japanese specialist and i don't like Japanese cars. RWD is the best then AWD and this coupe is very very nice if you see it on the street

FWD is useful for smaller cars where weight is an issue. Economy cars are a good example of why FWD is beneficial. They're not too powerful and have to weigh less, so FWD is perfect for them.

When cars get bigger and more powerful however, FWD seems to be a handicap however. Look at cars like the Acura TL or Nissan Maxima. Powerful FWD cars that torque steer like crazy. Even here in Europe, 2.0 TDI Audi A4's or Passat's with FWD torque steer according to a test done by VOX TV.
 
Imhotep Evil said:
So does this guy hates the MINI too ?!

I didn't ask, but I think he doesn't mind FWD in the MINI since it is "not really a BMW". The MINI is made by BMW, but it is a seperate brand and doesn't interfere with BMW's philosophy. :usa7uh:
 
7.3 AMG said:
Anyways great story, thanks Christian. Good 335i picture too, i've seen a few around my hometown and i've got to say it's a hot car. Subtle, good looking styling combined with Turbo power :t-drive:

My favourite BMW currently on sale :usa7uh:

Anytime, Bruce, anytime. :usa7uh:
 
Yannis said:
Wow, great write up Christian, thanks for that mate.:usa7uh:

Whatever this guy says about FWD, truth is FWD cars are much more practical to use on everyday basis and can be fun to drive (Golf GT and Mini Cooper have proven that). On the other hand more expensive/luxury cars should be AWD or RWD i agree, I never understood why Audi is offering a FWD A8 for example.

No problem. GCF is where we share our passion for cars after all. :usa7uh:

I to don't understand why Audi offers the A8 V6 in FWD form, while the A8 base TDI comes with Quattro. Audi should make the A8 AWD. Period. I can live with base model FWD A6's. ;)
 
Nice write up Christian. And some good info, too! And you won't believe it, i have a relative working for BMW at Munich, too, but i have not seen him for year. Distant relative...

PS. I was at a funeral two weeks ago, at my home-village. It the tradition, that when somebody dies and he has lived a great life, the funeral is not like a funeral, but more like a "party", because we all are happy because he lived a great life and staff and blah blah. BTW, it was very nice...
 
Giannis said:
Nice write up Christian. And some good info, too! And you won't believe it, i have a relative working for BMW at Munich, too, but i have not seen him for year. Distant relative...

PS. I was at a funeral two weeks ago, at my home-village. It the tradition, that when somebody dies and he has lived a great life, the funeral is not like a funeral, but more like a "party", because we all are happy because he lived a great life and staff and blah blah. BTW, it was very nice...

Yeah, that's what I want too when I die: a great party for my friends and family!

Imhotep Evil said:
Sorry but the car that would make FWD popular was the Mini.

And now BMW owns MINI.

What a paradox, the simbols of FWD and RWD under the same roof.

So does this guy hates the MINI too ?!


I'm sure that if the MINI had RWD, it would be even better than it is now. :banana:
 
I don't' know about a RWD Mini, kind of like it the way it is, I also wouldn't want to pay $35k for a base Cooper.:D If it ever came to that, Mini would no longer be under BMW control (major bummer). Intresting question about this engineers dislike for FWD cars while BMW does produce one, under a different brand name.

To the point; excellent write-up Christian, as always imparting useful and relevant information!!! I sure hope BMW NA product planners get over themselves (stupid stupid people I tell you) and start importing some of the turbocharged four cylinders that have yet to come in the near future (imagine one in a 3er, whooo!!!). Thanks again Christian.
 
Giannis said:
Nice write up Christian. And some good info, too! And you won't believe it, i have a relative working for BMW at Munich, too, but i have not seen him for year. Distant relative...

PS. I was at a funeral two weeks ago, at my home-village. It the tradition, that when somebody dies and he has lived a great life, the funeral is not like a funeral, but more like a "party", because we all are happy because he lived a great life and staff and blah blah. BTW, it was very nice...

At the funeral dinner, the people I sat with didn't mention the deceased person. I think they all just wanted to forget about it and get on with their lives before the same thing happens to them one day.

Any ideas what your relative does at BMW? :t-cheers:
 
Deutsch said:
To the point; excellent write-up Christian, as always imparting useful and relevant information!!! I sure hope BMW NA product planners get over themselves (stupid stupid people I tell you) and start importing some of the turbocharged four cylinders that have yet to come in the near future (imagine one in a 3er, whooo!!!). Thanks again Christian.

Thanks, anytime. :usa7uh:

Imagine if I get a job in the car industry. I'll be flooding this forum with news and insights. :D
 
Any ideas what your relative does at BMW?

No, but during christmas, some other relatives will visit him, so feel free to ask questions!

PS. what an idiot i am! I forgot to give you my condolenses to you and your family for the death of your aunt!
 
Giannis said:
No, but during christmas, some other relatives will visit him, so feel free to ask questions!

PS. what an idiot i am! I forgot to give you my condolenses to you and your family for the death of your aunt!

Don't worry about it, I wasn't close to her and I am not a religious person. Thanks anyway. :usa7uh:
 

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