S-Class (W223) Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W223) Facelift

[mr.Mister]

Are you like retarded or something? What car knowledgeable person is buying a 10 year old European car of any brand expecting it to be more reliable or perfect vs any Asian car? Try to process this. No one is.

So you finally admit that Genesis is a better quality brand. Finally.

No a 10 year old Genesis that is not mechanically related and much simpler to their current products does not say anything about their current products longevity or quality. It’s specious.
Of course it says.
Namely, 10 years ago the G90 was not much simpler than the current one, or just as much as the W222 was simpler than the W223.

The current G90 has no problems is also bullshit. It has been recalled for several things as I showed you in previous posts. Are you too stupid to read it?
You mentioned Genesis recalls, not specifically the current G90.
I mentioned Toyota because they make cars from cheap materials that last.
It's not true that Toyota uses cheap materials at all. Where did you come up with that again?
I didn’t mention their mechanical longevity. This is proven by any study and real world experience. Including their cheap interiors and again NO current generation G90 has been around long enough to prove that its materials last longer. It was enough to find used ones with up to 100,000 km and you could compare them to the W223. The result, a much better preserved interior at the same millage and much less problems than the same old W223.

You posted another link in German. Doesn’t mean shit to me.
I posted you a german link of the biggest Mercedes-Benz fan site in Germany. And even they said that Mercedes was the absolut European Recall Champion FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS!
Source? EU Safety Gate System (formerly RAPEX).
I know you dont know shit about them - google it.

 

[mr.Mister]

Jeez… Am I the only one who does not give a F about all this Genesis discussion?

sure you dont...
....you are wasting time with thread searching ''how to fix my F10''

 

[MAJESTIC]

I would and i drive my 7th S-Class now

Why haven’t you?

 

[mr.Mister]

Why haven’t you?

i will, as soon as I sell my S600

 

[SKY]

Yes - Sonder. Guess what: IP address match checks out too.

Thanks Martin. Since this thread has gone crazy, allow me the OT. Does the mod team permit these guys to return after being banned? If so, I kindly ask you guys to reconsider this policy. After all these years around here, I can't think about any expample of trolls returning in a non-troll mode.

If my vote counts at all, please hit the red button at will

 

[mr.Mister]

Btw, wasn’t this guy’s current avatar used by another user who was banned? Is this another one of those cases were a weird individual gets fixated with the forum and keeps coming back and spreading nonsense over and over?

Sorry to disappoint you. I've only been active in 2 forums in my life so far: the German Mercedes forum and here (since dec 2024). I've never been banned anywhere. I found the Avatar on the internet years ago.

I also don't write any nonsense.
I have published various news on various brands at this forum, and I am even more emotionally involved with the W223 thread because I am a fan of this brand myself and I am disappointed with it. For now, we still live in a democracy where free speech is allowed, including criticizing a particular car and its details, if that suits someone.

 

[Merc1]

@mr.Mister

No i didn’t admit anything. What I said was that you’d be a fool to expect a 10 year old European car from any brand to be more title free than 10 year old Asian brand and a simpler car. When was this ever different?? That does not speak to Genesis being a higher quality brand overall. 10 years ago they didn’t make a comparable product.

Of course the old G90 was a much simpler car and it didn’t even compete to the S of the day. It was basically a Korean Lincoln. Naturally aspirated V8 from 10 years ago and none of the other advancements like suspension of the W222 of the day. So no you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Are you blind??? The link I gave you also INCLUDED THE G90. Go back and read it. Here is another one.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/recall-alert-genesis-gv70-gv80-g80-g90/

Models included:

• 2022-2023 Genesis G90Specific Recall Details:

READ IT

• Seatbelt Pretensioner Explosion:
  A significant recall (24V282000) involves 2022-2023 Genesis GV70, GV80, G80, and G90 vehicles, where the seatbelt pretensioners may explode upon deployment, potentially causing injury.

BOTH RECALLS are for the CURRENT G90. What don’t you get?

Have you not been inside a modern Toyota? Even newer Lexus models use cheaper materials than before. Is this even a serious question?

Nope, ancedotal at best. You can find any car in any shape anywhere on the internet. Nope. Gonna have to do better than that.

M

 

[mr.Mister]

@mr.Mister

No i didn’t admit anything. Yes you did What I said was that you’d be a fool to expect a 10 year old European car from any brand to be more title free than 10 year old Asian brand and a simpler car. And with that you admit it. When was this ever different?? That does not speak to Genesis being a higher quality brand overall. Oh yes it does. 10 years ago they didn’t make a comparable product. what? lol, you realy dont know shit about Genesis.

Of course the old G90 was a much simpler car and it didn’t even compete to the S of the day.
Sure, boomer: https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Genesis-EQ90-2016-KR.pdf

It was basically a Korean Lincoln. LOL
Naturally aspirated V8 from 10 years ago and none of the other advancements like suspension of the W222 of the day. So no you don’t know what you’re talking about. LooooL
you really dont know shit about the G90

https://autocatalogarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Genesis-G90-2020-INT.pdf

• 2022-2023 Genesis G90Specific Recall Details:

READ IT

• Seatbelt Pretensioner Explosion:
  A significant recall (24V282000) involves 2022-2023 Genesis GV70, GV80, G80, and G90 vehicles, where the seatbelt pretensioners may explode upon deployment, potentially causing injury.

phahahaha, ONE recall now search for all recalls the W223 had hahahahaha

Have you not been inside a modern Toyota? Even newer Lexus models use cheaper materials than before. Is this even a serious question?
Also Mercedes does, so?

I see that you are starting to get lost and confused.
You are writing untruths, proving that you do not know the heritage of Genesis at all and do not want to see that Mercedes is the absolute record holder for recalls in Europe for the last 6 years. With these words I conclude our debate. And dont bother, i wont even read your reply full of lies and deception . #restingMyCase

 

[Merc1]

@mr.Mister

You’re just rambling now. Again, when was a 10 year old European car of any brand more reliable than an Asian brand with a lesser car? Due tell.

No actually it’s you that doesn’t know shit about Genesis. The old G90 didn’t even compare to the W222 and this was proven time over in any comparison of the day. The car was outmatched. You just linked a picture of the old G90 and for what? Maybe you didn’t understand why I called it a Lincoln, meaning it was old and didn’t compare on the road and in tech to a W222.

You seem to just be a really stupid person that is stuck at full T to keep repeating the same things over and over.

The G90 has had issues also. You said it didn’t. It clearly has had more than one recall. Read it again.

There is no “heritage” to know about. The name was thought up in a Hyundai board meeting. Heritage is one thing they don’t have. Good riddance. You’re a stupid person with a stupid argument about 10 year old cars trying to link their longevity to unrelated cars of that already are scoring below average in quality in just 3 years. You’re all washed up and made a fool of yourself in a Mercedes thread talking about Genesis.

M

 

[mr.Mister]

@mr.Mister

You’re just rambling now. Again, when was a 10 year old European car of any brand more reliable than an Asian brand with a lesser car? Due tell.

No actually it’s you that doesn’t know shit about Genesis. The old G90 didn’t even compare to the W222 and this was proven time over in any comparison of the day. The car was outmatched. You just linked a picture of the old G90 and for what? Maybe you didn’t understand why I called it a Lincoln, meaning it was old and didn’t compare on the road and in tech to a W222.

You seem to just be a really stupid person that is stuck at full T to keep repeating the same things over and over.

The G90 has had issues also. You said it didn’t. It clearly has had more than one recall. Read it again.

There is no “heritage” to know about. The name was thought up in a Hyundai board meeting. Heritage is one thing they don’t have. Good riddance. You’re a stupid person with a stupid argument about 10 year old cars trying to link their longevity to unrelated cars of that already are scoring below average in quality in just 3 years. You’re all washed up and made a fool of yourself in a Mercedes thread talking about Genesis.

M

LOL

Which part of my sentence ''With these words I conclude our debate. '' did you not understand?

 

[Merc1]

LOL

Which part of my sentence ''With these words I conclude our debate. '' did you not understand?

Apparently you didn’t understand what you wrote yourself because you’re still here. Got that mirror handy??

M

 

[Design FIRST]

Yes...

The Hyundai Group has been presenting some extremely pursuasive vehicles over the course of the past 10 some years. Mercedes-Benz vehicles are not infallible and some material/fit and finish issues exist. And Chinese manufacturers are rapidly becoming "new standards" of sorts.

Brave (and very tough) new world for automotive manufacturers. And shifts will come in increasingly shortened intervals.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

I have been away for a while, but having read the last few pages, haven't missed much

How are you all doing?

I've heard info, that Mercedes is planning to move up the S class into, or very close to Rolls Royce territory. Especially in terms of bespokeness and the quality of marterials used inside and outside. First signs of pursued bespokeness we already see in the Manufaktur offerings (more than 50 different paint colours, more interior colours et cetera. With the next model a serious price hike is to be expected.
I'm curious to see, if parts of the new strategy can be seen in the W223 facelift.

 

[Centurion]

I have been away for a while, but having read the last few pages, haven't missed much

How are you all doing?

I've heard info, that Mercedes is planning to move up the S class into, or very close to Rolls Royce territory. Especially in terms of bespokeness and the quality of marterials used inside and outside. First signs of pursued bespokeness we already see in the Manufaktur offerings (more than 50 different paint colours, more interior colours et cetera. With the next model a serious price hike is to be expected.
I'm curious to see, if parts of the new strategy can be seen in the W223 facelift.

Welcome back. Moving the S-Class up makes sense. The car needs a revamped strategy as some of lfeet customers will buy the EQS instead for tax benefits whilst consumers continue to gravitate to SUVs over barges.

Mercedes should look towards Aston Martin's pivot. Luxury coupes aren't the status symbol they once were and Aston have now moved up their entire range to not fill but create a new segment that previously didn't exist.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Moving up makes sense, indeed. Not sure if MB must aspire to be like RR. In my view this is, for the present, a bridge too far. There is a gap to fit between RR/Bentley and the current S class. MB could fill that gap. If they pay serious attention to quality, bespokeness, in a sense of choices as well as in a sense of distinguishing from the rest of the MB line-up, I see them succeed. They need to do a lot better though than the last time they were aiming between classic S class and Rolls Royce level (W140).

 

[Mick Briesgau]

Mercedes should look towards Aston Martin's pivot. Luxury coupes aren't the status symbol they once were and Aston have now moved up their entire range to not fill but create a new segment that previously didn't exist.

That's an interesting one. Rather a challenge for such a big OEM. Something like Mercedes-Maybach Ultimate Luxury Concept perhaps

 

[Serpens]

Mercedes should look towards Aston Martin's pivot. Luxury coupes aren't the status symbol they once were and Aston have now moved up their entire range to not fill but create a new segment that previously didn't exist.

They can look but I hope they don't replicate. Aston Martin has done nothing but lose money and amass debt the last several years.

 

[mr.Mister]

I've heard info, that Mercedes is planning to move up the S class into, or very close to Rolls Royce territory. Especially in terms of bespokeness and the quality of marterials used inside and outside. First signs of pursued bespokeness we already see in the Manufaktur offerings (more than 50 different paint colours, more interior colours et cetera. With the next model a serious price hike is to be expected.
I'm curious to see, if parts of the new strategy can be seen in the W223 facelift.

That would be great!
Especially considering that the new BMW 7 Series, for the first time in history, (for my opinion) has a better interior quality and also rides more luxuriously and comfortably.

I'm afraid that Mercedes will just raise the price, and we'll still get plastic touch buttons for the seat adjustment and 8 buttons (memory, ventilation, heating) in one cheap piano black plastic button....
What I want to say: for this price, just top leather in several different colors would be not enough for me.
I absolutely expect less cheap plastic for the buttons, for the "tool bar", I expect plush-lined drawers in the door panels from the inside, I expect less plastic on the sills, I expect the buttons on the roof not to move, etc.
Realistically, even the steering wheel knobs are made of the cheapest plastic, especially the gear lever - i hope that will change...

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[hoffmeister_fan]

it got weird in this thread

 

[Pagani]

There hasn't been much said recently about the S Class EV. Last we heard, it would arrive after the current Facelift and be identical in the exterior but reworked internally, similar to the G with EQ Technology vs its ICE counterpart. I wonder how far down the road that is.