Vs Insideline: Infiniti M35h vs Mercedes E350 Bluetec


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Chicane Challenger



1st Place: 2012 Infiniti M35h
Big punch without the guilt, plus better refinement than any hybrid made to date.

2nd Place: 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec
Honest, robust and well-crafted. Road trippers, your ride has arrived.


We've done a 180 in recent years. It wasn't too long ago that enthusiasm about fuel efficiency was the denizen of the lunatic fringe consumer, the dork putting wheel spats on the rear of a tiny car that resembles a root vegetable.
Today, we acknowledge that the geeks were on to something and a collective sense of responsibility is more pervasive. But, you know, we've still gotta be cosseted.
Enter the socially conscious luxury sedan. The 2012 Infiniti M35h and 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec reveal how much attitudes toward fuel efficiency have changed.
Of course, there's not a consensus on how to best crack the nut of a luxury sedan that sips less fuel. The German ekes out its efficiency gains through compression ignition, whereas the Japanese upstart takes the hybrid route. But it turns out that each one's respective choice of powertrain just scratches the surface. These luxury sedans have very different characters despite their similarities in size, mission and sticker prices.

The Diesel Mercedes and a Performance Hybrid

Ah, the diesel Mercedes. It's an institution that's been with us since the days of Methuselah and has managed to be at once offbeat yet omnipresent, timeless rather than trendy. The professorial diesel Mercedes is the argyle socks of the automobile world.



Today's diesel Mercedes, the E350 Bluetec, brings a 3.0-liter turbodiesel V6 that generates 210 horsepower at 3,400 rpm and fully 400 pound-feet of torque from 1,600-2,400 rpm. All that twist drives the rear wheels through a seven-speed automatic transmission. Its exhaust is scrubbed squeaky-clean with a urea-based after-treatment system, and its window sticker reads 22/33 city/highway mpg. It'll set you back $63,120 when equipped like our tester, which is pumped up with $12,000 in options.
This toes up nicely to our Infiniti M35h tester's $65,395 price tag, of which $10,800 is bits, baubles and destination. The M35h marries a gasoline-fed 3.5-liter V6 to a hybridized seven-speed transmission, which is in turn fed electrons by a lithium-ion battery pack that's mounted in the trunk. Combined output peaks at a heady 360 hp and its EPA numbers are 27/32 city/highway mpg.


Chassis Surprise


At 4,163 pounds, the M35h is 126 pounds heavier than our V8-powered M56 long-termer, owing to the placement of its batteries aft of the rear seat. Thus it's easy to assume that the resulting rearward shift of the M35h's weight distribution would be a good thing for handling, and in routine driving there's little to dispute this. The M35h is more alert in this pursuit than the E350.
Flung in anger, the M35h's extra weight becomes more evident, lending it a sense of ponderousness. Its steering suffers slightly in the conversion to all-electric, requiring constant subtle corrections around center on arrow-straight freeways. Still, as electric steering goes, the M35h's is well-executed.
When the road straightens, as it inevitably does, the Benz gets absolutely manhandled by the M35h.
Neither of these cars would be your first choice for tackling your favorite back roads. They're not cut from sport sedan cloth. But among the pair here, the E350 — while certainly no Boxster — complies more willingly than the more nervous M35h. The E350's steering is too slow and a shade mute, but its linearity instills confidence. Ride quality, too, goes to the E350 Bluetec, which simply dispatches irregularities better than the more fidgety Infiniti.
Indeed, the stolid, staid diesel Mercedes boasts the more accomplished chassis of the pair. It's about breadth of capability — the Benz is consistently planted and secure regardless of speed. Though their handling numbers are similar — the Merc's 0.82g skid pad and 63.9-mph slalom performances are just 0.01g and 0.8 mph higher than the M35h — the Benz drives more naturally.
One pleasant surprise is the M35h's braking characteristics in routine driving — unlike in most hybrids, you can actually modulate the brakes without looking as if you just got your learner's permit. Drop the anchors hard and they lose some composure, though they haul the big sedan from 60 mph to a halt in a reasonable 122 feet. The Mercedes' stoppers did the same task in 116 feet, and have a solid, linear pedal.


Eat My Hybrid Dust


When the road straightens, as it inevitably does, the Benz gets absolutely manhandled by the M35h. Squeeze the "gas" in the Infiniti and you're punted down the road on an electrically assisted wave of thrust. The M35h's big, beefy wad of torque might reshape your perceptions of what a hybrid can do.
And just what can it do? At the test track, the M35h hit 60 in 5.5 seconds (5.1 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and ran the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 100.8 mph. The Mercedes, meanwhile, was somewhere far behind, making its way to 60 mph in 7.7 seconds (7.3 seconds with rollout) and clicking the quarter at 15.5 seconds at 89 mph.



There's more. The M35h's first acceleration run trapped faster still at 102.5 mph, a consequence of its sensitivity to its battery's state of charge. This variability in performance is endemic to all hybrids, but despite this, an M35h at its slowest is much quicker than an E350 Bluetec at its fleetest. It's not even close, and if you place a priority on a hasty departure, there's only one car to consider in this pair.


Mannerly Diesel


That's not to say the E350 Bluetec is a slug. In fact, its straight-line urge rarely feels lacking, as even just off idle the diesel mill generates ample boost. The E350 Bluetec packs a solid midrange, too. Inevitably, the Bluetec peters out just before the tach reaches its (low) redline, though the flexible automatic keeps the diesel in the meat of its power production and swaps gears reasonably quickly.
The E350 Bluetec may not blur the scenery the way the M35h does, but the diesel has manners on its side — the Bluetec is more seamless in around-town use than the M35h's hybrid powertrain, which awakens its gasoline V6 with a noticeable lurch.
Many drivers wouldn't even know this was a diesel from the driver seat. Telltale diesel clatter has been banished from the cabin of the E350. Only if you step outside the vehicle does the diesel audibly tip its hand.

The Great Divide


After spending several hundred miles driving each car, the philosophical gulf between their makers becomes evident in the details. Take the doors, for example. The Infiniti's door handle is feather light, and its door whips open as if it was filled with helium. Operating the E350's door and handle is a more distinctly mechanical experience, with a fluid heft that's not unlike swinging open a vault.


Other controls in the M35h fall in line — the steering wheel, brake pedal and throttle all operate slickly and with almost no effort. Luxury according to the Infiniti is to not disturb the owner: to minimize its operator's workload and to fade into the background.
The Mercedes suggests that solidity is the desired virtue. There's a real sense of gravitas in its controls, the ride, even the power delivery. This diesel engine's robust character dovetails nicely with the impression of unburstability you get when driving the current E-Class. It's not all an illusion, unfortunately, as our E350 tester weighs fully 4,242 pounds.
Despite its similar mass, the M35h doesn't quite convey the same impression. Its isolation from road noise is not as comprehensive as the E350, and the driving experience can't match the E350's rocksteady-ness. Then again, few cars can.

The Ups and Downs of Hauling Batteries


Both of these sedans are equipped with more modern conveniences than a Fry's electronics store. For instance, the Bluetec boasts a massaging driver seat, an infrared imaging system and headlights so capable they're practically self-aware; our M35 tester's blind spot alerts, adaptive cruise, collision alert and lane departure warning systems are, apparently, straight out of NORAD. And both of their cabins offer sumptuous comfort and space.
Instead, the differences lurk in the kind of basic conveniences we take for granted these days. Take trunk space. The lithium-ion batteries of the M35h's hybrid system gobble up volume, leaving 11.3 cubic feet remaining for your bags. Plus the Infiniti's backseats are necessarily fixed in place. The E350's 15.9-cubic-feet cargo area is comparably vast. Go ahead, put the golf bags and the caddies in the Merc's trunk. A 60/40-split folding job is, oddly enough, a $440 option with which our E350 tester was not equipped. Go figure.
As-tested fuel economy for both sedans was identical at 24.4 mpg, but there's a caveat. These cars' colossal range meant few data points. Though subjected to a broad spectrum of driving from city to freeway cruise and everything in between, it simply wasn't possible to put multiple tanks of fuel through them during our allotted time. Call our results provisional and indicatory. Still, the M35h's straight-line thrust is tempting, and we were glad to oblige, over and over again. Yet despite this, its fuel consumption was no worse than that of the Bluetec. If you're thinking cake-and-have-it, you're not alone.

Hybrid Takes the Brass Ring

Here, then, we have two very different luxury sedans that are influenced by their powertrain choices rather than defined by them. With its traditional values and robust character, the E350 Bluetec has a refreshing honesty. It is unquestionably among the world's best long-distance cruisers. There's a lot to like here.
Our CAFE-focused new world order will bring ever stronger and cleverer diesels and hybrids. Today, though, the M35h's electrically enhanced potency is irresistible, and ultimately helps the Infiniti edge out the Merc for the win. Moreover, its effortless thrust doesn't come at the expense of consumption, and its hybrid nature doesn't spoil the plot. The Infiniti M35h hones the performance hybrid concept to its sharpest edge yet.
It might even turn us into spat-wielding dorks.

2012 Infiniti M35h vs. 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Comparison Test
 
So the Merc drives better, rides better, is more comfy, less noisy and the materials feels more solid, but the Infinity wins b/c is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile... :eusa_doh:

Ahhh.... american magazine at it's best.
 
Thanks for sharing. So the Mercedes is cheaper, rides better, handles better, (M35h was referred to as a "boat" in the slalom test) has more useable space, but lost out due to outright acceleration? I don't think InsideLine conducted a very well balanced review this go around.
 
So the Merc drives better, rides better, is more comfy, less noisy and the materials feels more solid, but the Infinity wins b/c is faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile... :eusa_doh:

Ahhh.... american magazine at it's best.


The funny thing about this is that about a year ago Edmunds Inside Line compared the Infiniti M56S to the E550 Sport and the Mercedes won despite being less sporty (Edmunds praised the Infiniti for its handling and control).

Here, the Mercedes is more sporty, handles better and is also more comfortable but the Infiniti wins because it's faster in a straight-line - literally. :D



And to top it off, there are like four pages worth of nonsense in the comments section talking about which luxury car interiors are better. Quite amusing stuff. :D



There's a reason I subscribe to classic car magazines. Cars in those magazines are appreciated for their style, comfort and the joy they bring to their owners - not the BS 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad and slalom times that every car magazine seems to test these days - even on something like a friggin Kia Rio... :t-crazy2:
 
The funny thing about this is that about a year ago Edmunds Inside Line compared the Infiniti M56S to the E550 Sport and the Mercedes won despite being less sporty (Edmunds praised the Infiniti for its handling and control).

Here, the Mercedes is more sporty, handles better and is also more comfortable but the Infiniti wins because it's faster in a straight-line - literally. :D



And to top it off, there are like four pages worth of nonsense in the comments section talking about which luxury car interiors are better. Quite amusing stuff. :D



There's a reason I subscribe to classic car magazines. Cars in those magazines are appreciated for their style, comfort and the joy they bring to their owners - not the BS 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad and slalom times that every car magazine seems to test these days - even on something like a friggin Kia Rio... :t-crazy2:

Absolutely! I just can't withstand how every damm magazine tries to be Evo Magazine. What's the point of the slalom test in a Passat, Civic, Corolla, etc, etc?

And even more amazing is the fact that you the see most magazines running the cars on their tests way over national top speeds, drifting around, trashing them hard on " roads" , talking about steer at the driving limits and them on their forums, the will advice you not to post videos of your self reckless driving, trying to be correct politicians :eusa_doh:

Regards!
 
Completely agree with what's been said. The new Infiniti M is great, easily the best Japanese sedan right now, but still should be no match for the E.
 
Worst outcome I've seen in a comparo in quite some time. Reading the main text and especially the tester's notes indicates the Mercedes should have taken it.
I like the look of the Mercedes better overall, though the rear angles can be a bit odd. I think it will stay fresher longer. The design theme on the Infiniti looks great for the coupe, but the sedan seems to have dated rather quickly in my view. The added utility of the Benz's split folding rear seats is just icing on the cake.
 
Ugh, don't like hybrids, don't like Infiniti's blobby styling. Love the sharp lines of the E-Klasse, love the long-legged languidity of a diesel six. And that's before we've even come to the Merc's unimpeachable interior. Moreover, even if you're on a crusade to save the planet and you properly understand that while the M35h is cleaner, it's certainly not greener, then the choice is even more obvious for the better car. Spend your money on the E Class.
 
The funny thing about this is that about a year ago Edmunds Inside Line compared the Infiniti M56S to the E550 Sport and the Mercedes won despite being less sporty (Edmunds praised the Infiniti for its handling and control).

Here, the Mercedes is more sporty, handles better and is also more comfortable but the Infiniti wins because it's faster in a straight-line - literally. :D



And to top it off, there are like four pages worth of nonsense in the comments section talking about which luxury car interiors are better. Quite amusing stuff. :D



There's a reason I subscribe to classic car magazines. Cars in those magazines are appreciated for their style, comfort and the joy they bring to their owners - not the BS 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad and slalom times that every car magazine seems to test these days - even on something like a friggin Kia Rio... :t-crazy2:

Well said and I agree with all you guys.

These IDIOT Mag Test Reviewers and their inconsistent biases and "Lamborghini VS Ferrari" vicarious Test formats for every car style down to Carolla's and Civic's are absolutely baseless and nonsensical.

The E certainly outclasses the Infiniti, not to mention, the Infiniti looks practically hideous.
 
Absolutely! I just can't withstand how every damm magazine tries to be Evo Magazine. What's the point of the slalom test in a Passat, Civic, Corolla, etc, etc?

And even more amazing is the fact that you the see most magazines running the cars on their tests way over national top speeds, drifting around, trashing them hard on " roads" , talking about steer at the driving limits and them on their forums, the will advice you not to post videos of your self reckless driving, trying to be correct politicians :eusa_doh:

Regards!

Exactly. These days every magazine drives cars to their limits. They praise the sports cars but slam the working mans car like a Civic, Passat etc. for being first of all FWD and having poor track driving characteristics - literally. I await the day when Car and Driver reviews a Mercedes Sprinter and complains about handling. :D

I remember a review about the Volkswagen Up! (might have been from Edmunds or Autoblog) where they complained about "how underpowered it is" and the "performance" - it's a friggin city car. Nobody who buys an Up! will track it (unless it is the GTI version). If someone cares about power, they won't buy such a car.
 
The E certainly outclasses the Infiniti, not to mention, the Infiniti looks practically hideous.

I saw an Infiniti M35d in traffic a few weeks ago. It's not a bad-looking car but I was amazed at how underwhelming it appears in real-life.

I hope I don't sound biased but a W212 in Avantgarde trim can turn heads. The Infiniti M? I didn't even notice it at first glance.

By the way I've seen that same M35d numerous times now. Must be the only one in all of Munich. :D
 
Exactly. These days every magazine drives cars to their limits. They praise the sports cars but slam the working mans car like a Civic, Passat etc. for being first of all FWD and having poor track driving characteristics - literally. I await the day when Car and Driver reviews a Mercedes Sprinter and complains about handling. :D

I remember a review about the Volkswagen Up! (might have been from Edmunds or Autoblog) where they complained about "how underpowered it is" and the "performance" - it's a friggin city car. Nobody who buys an Up! will track it (unless it is the GTI version). If someone cares about power, they won't buy such a car.

I must also add: it looks so patetic, at least for me, whenever these kind of magazines dismiss a car b/c the lack of manual transmision option or these ridiculous "save the manuals" campaign, because they end up choosing a winner mostly by the aceleration times, and in that sense most modern auto boxes leave the manuals in the dust.

A complete incoherence from their part.

Regards

PS: Is obvious we don't like most car magazines :D
 
I await the day when Car and Driver reviews a Mercedes Sprinter and complains about handling. :D


Happy New Year Christian, here we go. ;)


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"Really, that whole horsepower business is an American perception anyway; in Europe, Mercedes has some dog-slow cars it would love to sell you. What matters is the way the Sprinter drives, which is quite nice for something suitable for hosting square dances—with the seats removed, of course. The steering is light, although the flat-top angle of the steering wheel is more like that of a bus than anything else. But the ride is soft, only disturbing passengers when the driver turns, at which point the van lists like a capsizing shrimp boat."

2010 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Test and Review --- Car and Driver


:t-cheers:
 
I must also add: it looks so patetic, at least for me, whenever these kind of magazines dismiss a car b/c the lack of manual transmision option or these ridiculous "save the manuals" campaign, because they end up choosing a winner mostly by the aceleration times, and in that sense most modern auto boxes leave the manuals in the dust.

A complete incoherence from their part.

Regards

PS: Is obvious we don't like most car magazines :D

Indeed. I am getting the feeling that the car that is quickest to 60 mph and performs best around the track automatically wins. I've noticed that magazines spend less time talking about the things that matter like interior and trunk space or the ergonomics of the interior or simply the quality of the ride comfort.

It seems to me that 75% of a review spends time talking about performance and handling and the track weather conditions where the car was tested. Who cares about this anyway? Especially when they're reviewing something like a Corolla or Jetta. Track performance might be important to performance and sports cars, but not to everyday mainstream and certain luxury cars.

When I am reading a review about a Mercedes C220 CDI T-Modell I am interested in fuel economy, interior and trunk space and comfort as well as running costs - not handling, track performance and 0-60 and how it compares to a V6 Camry at the stoplight. :t-crazy2:

The worst thing is that the reviewers always say "we wish, we wish, we wish" as in the car has to please them, not the target market. Car enthusiasts need to stop thinking the automotive industry revolves around them. There are cars for enthusiasts and there are cars for normal folks.

"Yeah, we wish our FWD Toyota Corolla was RWD, had a 7.2-l Hemi V8 and 650-hp and a 6-speed M/T and a Lexus LF-A suspension so it could go around the track faster and reach 60 mph in 2.5 seconds (quicker than a Veyron) and for only $25,000!" :t-crazy2: :D


Nothing beats a classic car magazine. Cars in there are appreciated for what they are, not what the reviewer wants them to be. :usa7uh: :t-cheers:
 
Happy New Year Christian, here we go. ;)


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"Really, that whole horsepower business is an American perception anyway; in Europe, Mercedes has some dog-slow cars it would love to sell you. What matters is the way the Sprinter drives, which is quite nice for something suitable for hosting square dances—with the seats removed, of course. The steering is light, although the flat-top angle of the steering wheel is more like that of a bus than anything else. But the ride is soft, only disturbing passengers when the driver turns, at which point the van lists like a capsizing shrimp boat."

2010 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Test and Review --- Car and Driver


:t-cheers:


Any data on how it did at the 1/4 mile strip against a stock Corvette? Skidpad numbers? Slalom ratings? What was the best 0-60 time they achieved? You know, the things that matter to the people who buy Sprinters! :D
 
Indeed. I am getting the feeling that the car that is quickest to 60 mph and performs best around the track automatically wins. I've noticed that magazines spend less time talking about the things that matter like interior and trunk space or the ergonomics of the interior or simply the quality of the ride comfort.

It seems to me that 75% of a review spends time talking about performance and handling and the track weather conditions where the car was tested. Who cares about this anyway? Especially when they're reviewing something like a Corolla or Jetta. Track performance might be important to performance and sports cars, but not to everyday mainstream and certain luxury cars.

When I am reading a review about a Mercedes C220 CDI T-Modell I am interested in fuel economy, interior and trunk space and comfort as well as running costs - not handling, track performance and 0-60 and how it compares to a V6 Camry at the stoplight. :t-crazy2:

The worst thing is that the reviewers always say "we wish, we wish, we wish" as in the car has to please them, not the target market. Car enthusiasts need to stop thinking the automotive industry revolves around them. There are cars for enthusiasts and there are cars for normal folks.

"Yeah, we wish our FWD Toyota Corolla was RWD, had a 7.2-l Hemi V8 and 650-hp and a 6-speed M/T and a Lexus LF-A suspension so it could go around the track faster and reach 60 mph in 2.5 seconds (quicker than a Veyron) and for only $25,000!" :t-crazy2: :D


Nothing beats a classic car magazine. Cars in there are appreciated for what they are, not what the reviewer wants them to be. :usa7uh: :t-cheers:

Very well said. It irks me deeply as to how these "Journalists" who claim that they're "car enthusiasts" are so one-track minded, and not car-enthusiasts at all.... they're simply performance enthusiasts/gearheads who are upset when they have to Review "real life cars", therefore delegating them to Ferrari type of use.

Who the HELL CARES about how fast most of these cars are, etc. What pisses me off is how when these guys Review comfort-oriented cars, you find NO MENTION of the most important aspects: Sound dba inside, road noise, long distance comfort, etc. I've been Reviewing appliance-like cars for while now (when thinking of getting a second car) and could not find one review that didn't babble about senseless handling and did about quietness and driving serenity.
 
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