Ferrari Planning V-6 Sports Car For 2019?

[GTA45E]

Talk of Ferrari using a turbocharged V-6 dates back to 2008 but even though we’re yet to see the automaker head in that direction the rumors persist. The latest comes by way of Motor Trend’s Jonny Lieberman, who posted on Twitter that Ferrari will launch a new entry-level model powered by a twin-turbocharged V-6 to take on McLaren’s new Sports Series range as well as sports car models from more mainstream brands such as the Mercedes-AMG GT and Porsche 911 Turbo S.

Citing a source at Ferrari parent company Fiat Chrysler Automobiles [NYSE:FCAU], Lieberman claims the V-6-powered Ferrari will arrive in 2019 and be priced from $180k. Considering the launch date and expected pricing, the car the FCA source is suggesting may just be the replacement for the California T, which is currently priced from about $200k and is due to be replaced at the new sports car’s claimed launch date of 2019.

Despite its continued concentration on performance, Ferrari has also been striving to improve the green credentials of its fleet in recent years. CEO Amedeo Felisa has previously stated that much of the automaker’s R&D budget is being spent on emissions and efficiency measures, and we’ve already seen this with the launch of the hybrid system in the LaFerrari and the downsized, turbocharged engines in the California T and 488 GTB.

Then there’s the issue of Formula One having adopted turbocharged V-6 engines. Ferrari has consistently linked its road car program with its F1 efforts and this is unlikely to change anytime soon. In this regard, Felisa has also said in the past that the trickle-down of F1 technology into road cars traditionally takes four to five years, which again roughly coincides with the 2019 launch date for the new sports car.

A possible platform for the car is the one being developed for Maserati’s new sports car based on the front-engined, rear-wheel-drive Alfieri concept car. Due in 2018, the new Maserati sports car is expected to be offered exclusively with V-6 engines.

And Ferrari already has access to V-6 engines. The automaker currently builds some for Maserati. The engines are based on a twin-turbocharged and direct-injected 3.0-liter V-6 design, and at present produce up to 404 horsepower.

-->>http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1084154_ferrari-planning-v-6-sports-car-for-2019

 

[Centurion]

I can see the California downsizing to a V6 - especially if the same block can be used for a wide range of Maserati cars.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

I can see Ferrari "insisting" (read: "demanding") Maserati not to make the Alfieri thus keeping their car more "exclusive"

 

[Gianclaudio]

Rumours say that Ferrari V6 is going to power the ever and ever coming new Alfa Romeos, as well.

 

[Mr Robert]

I'm all for V6 Ferraris, even if it's the worst configuration ever. I think they can make it work.

 

[Porsche Guy]

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[GTA45E]

Ferrari 456: why Maranello is considering a V6 entry-level supercar

Ferrari is readying the next generation of supercars – and we’ve already reported how it’s about to start turbocharging the majority of its sports cars. But there’s another corner of Maranello’s R&D skunkworks which is developing V6 power for future sports cars.

We do not have official confirmation yet, but intelligence indicates that the new twin-turbo V6 is a 2.9-litre unit, designed to be long-term street-legal and affordable in big growth markets such as China.

Ferrari 456 V6: spec, details
Although the power output will be determined later in the development programme, 500bhp and 450lb ft should be an achievable target for the new V6 motor.

In the end, these numbers are of strategic and political nature - if Audi can squeeze 525bhp out of a 2.5-litre five-cylinder motor, Ferrari surely could get close to 600bhp out of a 2.9-litre six.

Which engine would a V6 appear in first? Ferrari’s TT rival?
Woah there! Ferrari is emphatically not chasing the mass market with its V6 plan. Instead, this is focused on making sure its sports cars have a sustainable future in a world in which civilisation at large – and rule makers – are hellbent on making cars cleaner and more efficient.

We know that Ferrari will unveil the turbocharged 458 Italia upgrade at the 2015 Geneva motor show, and the so-codenamed M458-T is due to last on sale until around 2019, according to CAR’s sources.


The V6 comes in after that. One scenario being studied at Ferrari HQ is that the 458 successor would split into two models: a V8 engined mainstream car, plus a slightly more affordable version powered by the new six-cylinder engine. Let´s call it the Ferrari 456 for lack of a more plausible option.
Current thinking is to make the 456 a slightly more compact car, be it by shortening the wheelbase, the overall length, or both. You see, CEO Amedeo Felisa is not only a stickler for weight, he also likes his sports car nimble and compact. That’s why the F12 is smaller than the 599, that’s why LaFerrari is no bigger than the Enzo.

Size, weight, mass, number of cylinders, power output… all directly influence a car´s efficiency. Indirectly, they determine how big and heavy you need to go in terms of cooling apparatus and brake dimensions, to name only two key parameters.

A V6 Ferrari! Sounds great
It gets better. Thanks to the fresh opportunities provided by the company’s highly flexible modular matrix, it would only be logical to make the 458 look more aggressive and overtly sporty than the leaner and slimmer 456.

There might even be a case for reviving the good old manual gearbox which could, in the 456, be a DCT-derived seven-speeder similar to the cogworks installed in the base 911.

Imagine that: an entry-level, lighter, cheaper Ferrari V6, with a manual click-clack open gearbox and CO2 emissions potentially nudging under 200g/km. Makes you think, doesn’t it?

(This article goes back to August 2014.)

-->> http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/ferrari/ferrari-456-why-maranello-is-considering-a-v6-entry-level-supercar/

 

[Mr Robert]

Why call it 456 and not 296?

 

[Rainer271]

Ferrari hints at new Dino; could feature mid-engine twin-turbo V6 setup

2015 Ferrari Dino speculative rendering / Frederik Tjellesen

To have around 500 bhp
Ferrari has dropped a major hint about the possibility of resurrecting the "Dino" moniker for a new sportscar.

In an interview with Autocar, Ferrari chairman Sergio Marchionne said the Dino revival is "not a question of if but when" and it will take the shape of a mid-engined sportscar developing around 500 bhp (373 kW). Output will likely be provided by a twin-turbo V6 engine which will grant the vehicle with a 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) sprint in less than 3.5 seconds and a top speed close to 200 mph (322 km/h).

Marchionne said it would be a mistake to develop a front-engined Dino just to make it cheaper as the new iteration of the iconic name must be "done right". In terms of pricing, it will be slightly more expensive than the front-engined California T and will probably be introduced in a couple of years, more than four decades after the last Dino-badged model left the assembly line.

Note: 2015 Ferrari Dino render by Frederik Tjellesen pictured.

Source: autocar.co.uk

 

[Centurion]

As the F40/458 will keep climbing in power there will be room for a less powerful car. Not everyone needs 600hp+. The F-Type is a perfect recipe that shows that good design and a 400-500hp can be exciting enough.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

This could be based on the Maserati Alfieri as well? That car should be amazing when it comes out.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Ferrari Dino 2018: V6-Biturbo im Heck | autozeitung.de


Ferrari is testing again.
Rumored 510 hp V6 biturbe from Giulia. (Which is based on the 3l V6 from Maserati I'm sure as Paolo Martinelli said it's capable of 600 hp.
Coming 2018
7 speed DSG

 

[tristatez28lt1]

The new Septemeber 2015 issue of CAR magazine gives the best look yet at the planned Ferrari Dino, one of a number of new sports cars planned by Maranello to ensure its survival in a downsized, CO2-obsessed world. Don't go expecting a budget Ferrari - it's anything but cheap, with a price pegged around €185,000 (£135,000) when sales start around the end of the decade.

Our artist's impression shows how the mid-engined, two-seater Dino is expected to look and is based on detailed insider information. There's a hint of the original 1965 Dino show car's low-set headlight treatment, and more than a few shades of 2013's Ferrari 458-based Pininfarina Sergio concept.

The junior sports car will be based on Ferrari's new, flexible architecture destined for most of its range; the platform will be crafted largely from aluminium to trim weight; and, in the case of the Dino, it will be powered by a new 2.9-litre V6 available in two power outputs.

Fiat Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne has recently confirmed the Dino project is active. He told the Daily Telegraph: ‘It's a when not an if. We know that it [Dino] is an underused resource, but that's why we need to get it right.’ The planned Dino would be smaller and lighter than the new 488 GTB and repeat its forebear’s V6 engine layout, with a choice of 450bhp or 600bhp according to CAR magazine's sources. It is unclear at this stage if the new junior Ferrari would revive the Dino name, which refers to the son of company founder Enzo. The badge 486 has been mooted.

Ferrari Dino: the first spy photos
CAR magazine's revelations follow our spyshots of an engineering mule on test near a supplier base in Germany. Tellingly, it passed by a few minutes before a regular 488 GTB - and the two sounded very different. You’d have to be an acoustically trained Ferrari engineer to tell definitively, but our man with the long lens was confident this prototype wasn’t a V8.

Note also the shortened 488 architecture (Dino prototype inset top, 488 GTB main image). The front structure appears identical to the production car’s, but the rear deck is noticeably shorter (compare the length from the front door to the rear axle), consistent with a smaller powertrain being accommodated; we understand the Dino will be some 120mm shorter than its V8 big brother, despite sharing the same architecture. Don't forget the car scooped here is an engineering mule - the finished car will look more like the yellow car in our artist's impression.

Why Ferrari’s downsizing
Maranello faces the same CO2 pressures as the rest of the world: reducing cubic capacity and relying on turbochargers is the easiest solution to make its cars cleaner and less thirsty, while maintaining the shrieking power outputs for which cars bearing the prancing horse are famed. CAR magazine understands the V6 under evaluation in Modena is around 2.9 litres in capacity, handily dodging just under the 3000cc threshold which triggers higher tax rates in markets such as China. It’s similar thinking to Audi dropping the entry-level V8 for its R8 supercar; we revealed in summer 2015 that Ingolstadt is planning a sub-3.0 V6 for its new sports car.

Ferrari V6s: what we know
The new V6 would power a generation of future Ferraris. Think entry-level versions of the next California, due in 2017, and sports cars too. It’s unlikely that Maranello would dilute its biggest-selling sports car - the 488 GTB and Spider - with a V6, but this engine is a dead cert for the Dino.

It's related to the Alfa Romeo V6 in the new Giulia, but would be heavily revised for use in the Ferrari. This will be the brand’s fourth six-pot effort, following in the wake of Lampredi’s straight six, Jano’s first-generation V6 and Rocchi’s 2.0- and 2.4-litre V6 units in the earlier Dino.

Future Ferrari Dino: the V6 supercar project is still alive

 

[Giannis]

Nice McLaren!

 

[savage-It]

It seems that this car will really arrive according to last Italian AUTO magazine just released.They confirm the Giulia engine as told before , middle engine position and for the first time a price tag of about 130.000 euro and this sounds a lot different from what told until now.Their target will be expecially the 911 according to the article. It will not be named Ferrari it seems and probably, they say, will be created a specific "parallel" brand. I like , it makes sense..and this car with more than 510 hp could sell as an hot cake if all is true..The wheelbase will be 10 cm shorter than the 488 and the overall length will be just shorter than 450 cm..

 

[KiwiRob]

A new Dino, it has to be called a Dino IMO.

 

[Monster]

It will not be named Ferrari it seems and probably, they say, will be created a specific "parallel" brand.

This is a nice way to bypass Ferrari's self imposed production quota because there is no way they can cap the current production numbers with an extra model line that is a the more affordable end of the market.

 

[Wunderkind]

A new Dino, it has to be called a Dino IMO.

A Piero perhaps?

 

[savage-It]

I forgot: they say that at 50 years exactly from first Dino 206 GT, and this means late next year, the car could be introduced even if they think that full regular production will happen in late 2018 or 2019.They think that the name could be 296 GT (number coming from the engine cc)..and that a GTS version with hard top will follow..

 

[Jose Yanes]

I forgot: they say that at 50 years exactly from first Dino 206 GT, and this means late next year, the car could be introduced even if they think that full regular production will happen in late 2018 or 2019.They think that the name could be 296 GT (number coming from the engine cc)..and that a GTS version with hard top will follow..

I can confirm it, on friday I was in a conference from a ferrari designer and he teased us a new model coming on this december (dino) and another one for march 2017 for geneva (???). it was just an image of a car under a cloth so, nothing revealing.