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Dyson electric car: everything you need to know

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► First vacuum cleaners, now an electric car!
► Launches 2021, battery tech from Sakti3
► All you need to know


Dyson – usually known for its vacuum cleaners and pricey hairdryers, is making an electric car – and unlike the Apple EV, it’s actually going to happen.

Whispers of Dyson’s EV first appeated in the Government’s National Infrastructure Delivery Plan 2016-2021 which stated: ‘Dyson [is] to develop a new battery electric vehicle at their headquarters in Malmesbury, Wiltshire… This will secure £174 million of investment in the area, creating over 500 jobs, mostly in engineering.’

The revelation was quickly redacted in favour of: ‘The government is providing a grant up to £16m to Dyson to support research and development for battery technology at their site in Malmesbury.’ So how far along is Dyson in its EV plans, and what should we expect from its electric car? Keep reading for everything we know about the forthcoming Dyson EV.

Inside the Dyson EV project
The British company already has 400 staff working on the EV project, according to James Dyson; he recently confirmed it had doubled the number of scientists working on its battery programme in the past year - and now it's going on a recruitment drive to add further specialists.

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The Dyson EV team is based Hullavington in Wiltshire, away from the company's main HQ in Malmesbury. The electric cars could be built in the UK, Singapore, Malaysia or China, according to Dyson, which also announced earnings of £801 million in 2017. That's up 27% on the previous year's earnings.

Earlier in 2018, the company also revealed plans for a new 10-mile test track at its HQ in Hullavington. The new circuit will be built alongside two renovated 1938 hangars on the 517-acre site and should bring Dyson’s total investment on its electric car project to a cool £200m.

When's the Dyson car coming out? 2021 launch
Dyson told employees in autumn 2017 that the fast 'adoption of oxymoronically designated 'clean diesels' spurred him on to launch in to the electric car market.

'Some years ago, observing that automotive firms weren't changing their spots, I committed the company to develop new battery technologies,' he said.

The Dyson EV's main weapon: solid-state tech
The Dyson car could have double the energy density and range of today’s EVs, thanks to a breakthrough solid-state battery, and its $90m (£69m) acquisition of battery company Sakti3. The start-up, launched out of the University of Michigan by Professor Ann Marie Sastry, claims to have developed solid-state lithium-ion batteries producing over 400Wh/kg energy density.

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That’s almost double the punch of Tesla’s Panasonic cells – reckoned to be the industry leader at around 240Wh/kg – effectively doubling an EV’s range while potentially slashing costs to $100 (£69) per kilowatt-hour, the tipping point at which EVs start to rival petrol/diesel-powered cars on costs.

Trouble is, battery history is littered with glorious failures such as Canadian company Avestor, which went bankrupt after the solid-state lithium-ion batteries it sold to AT&T started exploding inside U-Verse home entertainment boxes. So why do Sastry and Sakti3 (Sakti is Sanskrit for ‘power’ and three is lithium’s periodic number) think they have cracked it, where others failed?

Battery tech backbground
Today’s lithium-ion batteries are typically packed out with gels or liquids that don’t store any energy; Sastry’s dream was to discover a ‘solid’ conductive material diffuse enough to let lithium-ions pass back and forth from anode to cathode, discharghing and charging the battery.

So a decade ago, Sastry and her colleagues wrote simulation software to identify combinations of materials and structures around lithium that would result in high-energy batteries, that also could be mass-produced affordably. It’s no use having the best energy density or greatest number of cycles if they are prohibitively expensive to manufacture.

In prototype assembly of the micro-thin layers that build up the batteries, Sastry’s team modified secondhand equipment used to make printed foil crisp packets. In reality the same proven, thin-film deposition process employed to make flat-panel displays and photovoltaic solar cells will layer micro-thin films of cathode followed by the current collector, then the interlayer anode and so on - all within a vacuum. Once assembled, the resulting cells are charged and ready for testing.

Scaling up battery manufacturing from the lab test bench to series production is the big challenge, says Peter Wilson, Bath University’s professor of electronic and systems engineering. Dyson faces another sizeable challenge: increasing the size of its advanced digital electric motors from vacuum cleaners to powering a car. But if Dyson cracks it, the UK could have its very own Tesla rival.

The main tech innovations in Dyson’s breakthrough EV
1) Solid-state battery


Although based on lithium-ion tech, the pressurised liquid electrolyte is replaced by a thin layer of non-flammable material that acts as both the separator (keeping positive and negative electrodes from coming into contact) and the electrolyte (allowing ion transfer to happen).

2) Safer than liquid

Lithium-ion batteries typically run at 35°C, demanding complex cooling for EVs, and both Tesla and GM’s batteries have suffered fires. To extend their service life, the batteries should never be fully charged or discharged. Solid-state batteries don’t suffer from these problems.

3) Clever motors

Dyson’s digital ‘switched reluctance’ motors benefit from excellent packaging and mechanical design, says Wilson. They offer good cooling and thermal performance – which is key – while aerodynamically efficient rotors, that are quiet and cool, minimise losses.

4) A question of scale

With brushless motors already 90+% efficient there isn’t a lot of headroom for Dyson’s digital motor. It will have inertia and thermal challenges if scaled up to car size, on top of losses generated by electric fields in the rotor. Using a series of laminations reduces these losses.

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F'ing LOL

I knew they were planning something, but still....Let's hope he doesn't bankrupt the vacuum business in the process of self destruction :D
 
Dyson electric car: new patents show mould-breaking design

Newly revealed details provide insight into Dyson's unique take on the EV

Dyson’s electric car, due to arrive in 2021, is likely to be a long, sleek crossover-style premium saloon that will have roughly the same footprint as a Range Rover but with completely different proportions from the classic British 4x4 – and every other production car on the road.

Key details of billionaire inventor James Dyson's thinking on electric vehicles have dramatically emerged from three patent applications made public today. They cover the car’s ultra-long wheelbase, unique 'crossover' body, unprecedentedly large and thin wheels, short body overhangs and unusually 'fast' windscreen.

As a caveat, though, Dyson’s famously secretive people emphasise that their images – and therefore ours – don’t necessarily show exactly what their car will look like, only some design and engineering devices likely to be used by it.

The Dyson car, whose long-rumoured existence was confirmed late in 2017 when the inventor revealed plans to spend £2.5 billion of his own money on it, has been taking shape for the past two years. Work has been led by former Aston Martin chief engineer Ian Minards, who joined Dyson in September 2016 as vice president, automotive.

The new Dyson patents show nothing less than a complete rethink of big-car design and engineering conventions for the fast-approaching electric age. The refinements are aimed at delivering low weight and low aerodynamic drag to maximise performance and battery range while providing generous cabin space and first-class ride comfort, a particular Dyson priority.

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Autocar spoke exclusively this week to company founder Sir James Dyson at his base in Singapore, where electric cars will ultimately be manufactured after an initial batch is built at the company’s £200 million automotive HQ currently under construction in Wiltshire.

This new facility already contains a dedicated technical centre for a 500-strong body of engineers – both Dyson regulars and hirings from car makers such as Tesla and Jaguar Land Rover. It will eventually spread across six comprehensively converted wartime aircraft hangars on the 517-acre former RAF Hullavington airbase near the M4 motorway in Wiltshire. A prototype manufacturing facility will open there next month and a 10-mile test track is also under construction.

DIMENSIONS AND PROPORTIONS

In essence, the patents describe a car that is close to the five-metre length of a standard Range Rover but more than 40cm longer in the wheelbase, at 330cm, with 4-6cm more ground clearance than the Range Rover’s standard 22cm yet at least 25cm less overall height, at around 165cm tall.

The car’s layout allows excellent approach, breakover and departure angles, even in Land Rover terms, although there’s no suggestion that Dyson wants to build a farm vehicle. “It’s just that we can have these things for free,” he said.

This high-floor/low-roof layout is made possible because of the location of the car’s wide, long, thin underfloor battery, and the adoption of saloon-like seating positions for occupants, giving what Dyson described as a “command” driving position.

What's more, the compactness of the (probable) twin electric motors allows a cab-forward layout – assisted by the short nose and raked screen – which allows much of the car’s total length to be used for accommodation. The Dyson patents propose a potential seven-seater (with centre-row and rear-row passengers mounted higher than those in front for good visibility).

A saving of around 10cm on overall width is also possible, said Dyson, because of the lack of a bulky internal combustion engine plus the adoption of narrow-section tyres on big-diameter wheels that need smaller wheel envelopes let into the body. A particular Dyson preoccupation is keeping the new car’s frontal area to a minimum, a major contributor to aerodynamic efficiency.

BODY, SUSPENSION, WHEELS

Dyson confirmed that the car will have an aluminium body, mostly because he and his engineers feel carbonfibre structures haven’t reached the level of maturity they believe the electric project needs. Steel is deemed too heavy.

The patent diagrams suggest a platform-shaped battery mounted beneath the body. Such a battery would need to be encased in an extremely rigid, well-protected structure, which points to the use of a 'skateboard' platform chassis supporting suspension subframes front and rear. Height-adjustable and self-levelling suspension seems likely: Dyson himself pointedd to the pitch-limiting advantages of the very long wheelbase.

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The Dyson car is likely to have alloy wheels of a highly unusual 23-24in diameter, running thin tyres of around 45-55 profile. The company is understood already to have a tyre supplier. The inventor said experiments show these wheels have considerably lower rolling resistance than smaller, wider wheels and their greater inertia (often deemed a fault) will help with regenerative brakling.

This unusual wheel/tyre combination also creates less aerodynamic drag, allows relatively low tyre pressures to be used (for good ride comfort), resists aquaplaning on wet roads and requires a smaller wheel envelope, reducing intrusion into the cabin. The tyre can still have an acceptably large footprint because it’s longitudinal, not lateral.

BATTERY AND POWERTRAIN

Dyson’s patent applications contain no powertrain details – beyond a theoretical suggestion that the car could be battery, hydrogen or even petrol-hybrid powered. But Sir James Dyson confirmed that his company is researching two different types of solid-state battery, understood by laymen to be the next big thing after the lithium ion type used almost universally in EVs today.

Dyson’s solid-state battery research is proceeding in four linked global locations, including the UK. It seems a certainty that these advanced batteries (bringing advantages in energy density and lightness) will eventually be used in the Dyson car, although there are unconfirmed suggestions that lithium ion may power the earliest cars.

Sir James Dyson also won't publicly specify his car’s motors, except to suggest that more than one motor would make sense because that would increase the potential for power regeneration when the car is coasting and braking. Dyson high-speed electric motor designs are among the world’s best and most compact, so the company will build its own motors for this application and package them very compactly.

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MARKET POSITIONING

There’s enough about the specification of a five-metre car with seven-seat capability, powered by an ultra-expensive battery and riding on very special wheels, suspension and brakes to suggest that this will most definitely be a premium car.

Hiring the former Aston Martin chief engineer (Ian Minards) and inviting a former BMW big-board member, Ian Robertson, onto your board of director is another indication. Dyson himself mentioned Range Rovers and Teslas as he discussed his new car, suggesting that, in a money sense at least, they were rivals. But the only speculation about price – and it's rather idle – seems to be on which side of £100,000 of today’s money a Dyson car will sit.

The car will be sold globally and seems likely to have particular appeal in China. No production volume is spoken of, but it seems clear from the size of the engineering effort that this is much more than a bespoke, hand-made effort. The Dyson name, and the company’s global reputation for unusual, progressive, high-quality products that push at existing boundaries, will surely help it find markets. Everything we’ve seen points to a well-backed, credible, long-lasting rule-breaker of an electric luxury car. Let’s hope we’re right.

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... and, it's cancelled.

Well done Sir James.

Dyson, the UK-based company best known for its vacuum cleaners, has scrapped a £2.5bn project to build electric cars.

The firm, headed by inventor Sir James Dyson, said its engineers had developed a "fantastic electric car" but that it would not hit the roads because it was not "commercially viable".

In an email sent to all employees, Sir James said the company had unsuccessfully tried to find a buyer for the project, launched in 2017.

The division employs 500 UK workers.

In October 2018 Dyson revealed the car would be built at a new plant in Singapore. It was expected to be completed next year with the first vehicles due to roll off the production line in 2021.

The company also planned to invest £200m in the UK in research and development and test track facilities. Much of that money has already been spent and Dyson said it would use the site for other projects.

The £2.5bn intended for the electric car project would still be spent on developing other products, including its battery technology, Dyson said.

'Not a product failure'
The first cars had already been developed and were being tested.

But in an email on Thursday, Sir James revealed that Dyson was closing electric car facilities both in the UK and Singapore.

The project employed 523 people, 500 of whom were in UK, and Sir James praised their "immense" achievements.

"This is not a product failure, or a failure of the team, for whom this news will be hard to hear and digest," Sir James wrote.
 
"This is not a product failure, or a failure of the team

I'm sure the reason for cancelling it is because EVs only make up for about 1% marksetshare and because the grid is simply not ready for Dyson. Rather stick to the Vacuums.
 
Another one bite the dust

On the one hand it is remarkable to want to undertake and expand, on the other it is shameful that intelligent people like this man underestimate what it means to manufacture cars, boast for years, that the great idea, that we already have it, that it will be the best car in the world. ..... bla bla bla, all bullshit, now his reputation is marked as one of the biggest improvised and big mouth in England.

Sure he got scared of the brexit, which must also be about to affect the vacuum cleaners, now he will fire a lot of people, etc., at least he retired before not only making a fool of himself but also breaking his core business
"Ideas belong to those who make it a reality"
 
Sure he got scared of the brexit, which must also be about to affect the vacuum cleaners, now he will fire a lot of people, etc., at least he retired before not only making a fool of himself but also breaking his core business

Dyson is a supporter of Brexit, he made a big deal of what a great nation we are... whilst also moving manufacturing to Singapore.
 
Dyson is a supporter of Brexit, he made a big deal of what a great nation we are... whilst also moving manufacturing to Singapore.

Well, looks like you can still be a complete and utter idiot while owning a huge company after all...

Anyways, his electric car project costed him 2.5 billion, and not a single OEM wants to take over. Money down the drain, like every sane person said beforehand.


at least he retired before not only making a fool of himself

If your failed project costed you 2.5 billion, I would say you qualify.
 
Another one bite the dust

On the one hand it is remarkable to want to undertake and expand, on the other it is shameful that intelligent people like this man underestimate what it means to manufacture cars, boast for years, that the great idea, that we already have it, that it will be the best car in the world. ..... bla bla bla, all bullshit, now his rep...

Dyson was firmly in the Brexit camp, he campaigned for it, then promptly moved production offshore..........the mans reputation went down the crapper at that point.
 
Dyson was firmly in the Brexit camp, he campaigned for it, then promptly moved production offshore..........the mans reputation went down the crapper at that point.
I did not know, then confirmed is one of those who speaks because he has a mouth, without principles or courage to finish what he started, who had an idea for a vacuum cleaner and a business and do not ask for more than that
 
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