Daimler Cuts Earnings Forecast/ Stocks fall


warot

Track Technician
Oct. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Daimler AG, the world's second- biggest maker of luxury cars, cut its full-year earnings forecast by 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion) after third-quarter profit fell short of analyst estimates on plunging auto sales.

Earnings before interest and tax will be more than 6 billion euros in 2008 compared with a previous forecast of at least 7 billion euros, Stuttgart, Germany-based Daimler said in a statement today. Net income last quarter was 213 million euros, missing analyst predictions for a profit of 818 million euros.

Daimler's earnings are under pressure as the global financial crisis and economic slowdown hurt demand for its upscale autos. Unit sales fell 6 percent at the Mercedes-Benz Cars division, sending Ebit down 92 percent to 112 million euros. The company said full-year group revenue may now show a ``slight decrease'' and suspended a share buyback to preserve cash.

``This is symptomatic of the dire straits that the auto industry finds itself in on a global scale,'' said Stephen Pope, the London-based chief global strategist at Cantor Fitzgerald. ``Automakers have no real price control and even at the luxury end consumers are spoiled for choice.''

Daimler fell as much as 2.13 euros, or 8.8 percent, to 22 euros in German trading before trading down 2.6 percent at 23.49 euros as of 12:24 p.m. in Frankfurt. The stock has declined 65 percent this year, giving a market value of 22.2 billion euros.

Revenue Drops

Third-quarter revenue fell 7 percent to 23.8 billion euros, also short of the 24.8 billion euros anticipated by analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News. Net income was equal to 21 cents a share, compared with a year-earlier loss of 1.53 billion euros, or 1.47 euros a share, when earnings were wiped out by costs from the disposal of a 80.1 percent stake in Chrysler LLC.

Daimler cut its earnings forecast hours after Fiat SpA, Italy's largest carmaker, forecast that net income may plunge as much as 85 percent next year if the global financial crisis continues to sap credit and depress auto demand.

Daimler's focus on luxury models has left it struggling to sustain sales as the credit crunch constricts customers' access to loans. At the same time, higher steel prices and spending on fuel-saving technology are adding to costs. The automaker has reacted by scaling back production by 45,000 cars and announcing plans to close two truck factories in North America.

`Very Challenging'

``We recognize that the situation is very challenging indeed,'' Daimler Chief Executive Officer Dieter Zetsche said in the statement. ``We press ahead consequently with our cost efficiency programs in all our businesses.''

Auto sales in the U.S., the company's biggest market after Germany, fell for an 11th straight month in September, dropping 27 percent in the steepest slide since 1991. European car sales slumped 8.2 percent in September as part of the market's worst decline since 2005.

Third-quarter earnings at Mercedes-Benz Cars were burned by a 449 million-euro charge for declining value of vehicles returned from lease. The unit is now aiming for full-year earnings of 2.5 billion euros, giving an estimated return on sales of 5 percent, down from a previous target of 8 percent.

``The report doesn't surprise me after all the nightmare news of the past few weeks,'' said Juergen Meyer, a Frankfurt- based fund manager with SEB Asset Management, who holds Daimler shares. A 5 percent profit margin at Mercedes is ``in this environment still an enviable target.''

Daimler's van and bus unit reported a 100 million-euro loss for the quarter compared with a 319 million-euro profit. Of the company's manufacturing divisions, only trucks showed an improvement in earnings, with Ebit increasing 6 percent to 510 million euros.

Chrysler Drag

Daimler's remaining 19.9 percent stake in Auburn Hills, Michigan-based Chrysler still dragged Ebit down by 351 million euros, including restructuring charges and writedowns on vehicles leased out by the third-largest U.S. automaker.

Daimler has been in talks with Chrysler's majority owner, Cerberus Capital Management LP, about selling the buyout firm the last of its holding. Cerberus, in turn, has been in talks with Detroit-based General Motors Corp. about a merger or partnership with Chrysler, people familiar with the talks have said. A sale by Daimler would end a 10-year relationship that that cut the German company's market value by $12.6 billion.

Additional Costs

Daimler's lower profit outlook for this year doesn't include Chrysler-related expenses, costs from 3,500 job losses at the North American truck division, expenses from management changes, or 818 million euros in charges from revaluing leased vehicles. The target also excludes 569 million euros in gains from the sale of real estate in Berlin.

Suspension of the 6 billion-euro share buyback program may mean the company falls short of repurchasing the targeted 10 percent of stock by next April, it said today.

Turin-based Fiat said earlier that net income may fall to as little as 400 million euros in 2009 if demand drops 20 percent. That compares with a forecast profit of 2.6 billion euros this year. Third-quarter profit rose 1.9 percent to 440 million euros, buoyed by sales of autos, tractors and combine harvesters to emerging markets.

Every company is struggling right now. 2009 is going to be such a headache and we are still 2 months away :eusa_doh:
 
My goodness, it is time for Daimler to dump the rest of Chrysler...TODAY! To think what would be happening if they had decided to keep Chrysler. Time to dump it today.

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I read somewhere that Cerberus were considering getting out of the car business, hehe. Must have been something ugly in Chrysler.

I'm pretty worried about what's going to happen in the few coming months. If thought September was bad, hold on to your knickers :t-banghea
 
In early November BMW AG are to announce "more than 40%" plunge in net income ... Ouch!

As said: internal forecasts predict red numbers in total for BMW AG in late 2009 ... if the crisis continues.

Not good, not good ...

Btw ... we are about to see blue-chip fall down ... Due to almost dead credit market many companies have no access to new credits to refinance the old ones, to buy raw materials etc. Governments are trying to do everything to start the credit wheel again. Even some direct subventions to certain big companies are possible. The last possible solution - to save the big companies from bankruptcy - is the nationalization.

I'm pessimistic ... I'm afraid the world is heading towards socialism without even wanting that. Was Marx right after all? Socialism as the final phase of the world economic order? This time will progress to it naturally ... without revolutions. How ironic.

I'm sure we're about to see some major shifts in capital (re)distribution.

The new era is coming.
 
Daimler still has 19.9 % stake in Chrysler and unfortunately at the moment they couldn't get a good price for it. When Cerberus bought 80.1 % of Chrysler back in May 2007, they paid $7.4 billion, so Daimler's 19,9 % would theoretically equal circa $1.84 billion. In July (2008) Daimler said the book value of its stake was only $171 million(!!!). Now it's even less (at the moment the value of whole Chrysler is estimated to be under $1 billion). I think they are eager to wait until they get a better price.

Reuters said:
In the event of a deal, all existing industrial relationships between Daimler and Chrysler would continue, Cerberus said.
Daimler and Chrysler, for example, have a partnership on hybrid technology, and also the axles from a new Chrysler parts plant in Michigan are expected to go into Daimler's M-Class Mercedes SUV.

I didn't know the partnership was still this extensive.
 
Daimler still has 19.9 % stake in Chrysler and unfortunately at the moment they couldn't get a good price for it. When Cerberus bought 80.1 % of Chrysler back in May 2007, they paid $7.4 billion, so Daimler's 19,9 % would theoretically equal circa $1.84 billion. In July (2008) Daimler said the book value of its stake was only $171 million(!!!). Now it's even less (at the moment the value of whole Chrysler is estimated to be under $1 billion). I think they are eager to wait until they get a better price.



I didn't know the partnership was still this extensive.

You couldn't sell Chrysler for peanuts right now, especially with all this talking about American companies potentially filing for bankruptcy. As for the sharing of parts, I'm assuming they are talking about the Hybrid system. I didn't realize Chrysler was in it too.
 
You couldn't sell Chrysler for peanuts right now, especially with all this talking about American companies potentially filing for bankruptcy.
Yeah, I've been following the situation for some time now. :cool:

This was actually reported today:

Chrysler is still 19.9 percent owned by Daimler AG, which said today it reduced the book value of that stake to zero from 171 million euros ($220 million) at the end of the second quarter.


PS. Check your PMs ;)
 
Daimler stock was around $30 a share when they said they were selling Chysler then it went up to $111. Now it is back down to $30. Another $5-10 and I will pick up some more.

I just picked up some different stocks on Monday. Then most of what I bought went down.

One of the stocks that I bought was rated on one site as 10 out of 10 and it was only $7 so I bought a few. Then checked another site that had it rated at 4. I think it is closer to the 4. :eusa_doh:
 
Not sure if I will get any Ford stock. If it drops a little bit more maybe. I think today it went below $2. Now at $2 even.
GM needs to drop another $1 or so.
 
Speaking of Chrysler:

Daimler AG, the German company that once owned all of Chrysler and now owns 19.9 percent, depreciated its stake in the Auburn Hill, Michigan, automaker from $268 million at the end of the second quarter of 2008 to $0, from an accounting standpoint, yesterday. Just over a year ago, Daimler said its nearly 20 percent share was worth $2.2 billion.

Daimler did say it plans to continue negotiations with Cerberus Capital Management over the remaining share of Chrysler, though it’s unclear how this latest announcement will affect the transaction.

“The pain level must be extraordinary over there — Cerberus and Chrysler and Daimler. You can just imagine how tortured they are,” Gerald Meyers, a University of Michigan business professor and former American Motors chairman, told the Detroit Free Press.

Despite Chrysler’s recent woes - which have been epic, even by Detroit auto industry standards - the company has burned through far less cash in the first half of this year than its two chief hometown rivals. Chrysler’s automotive and finance businesses lost $1.17 billion, whereas Ford Motor Company lost $8.6 billion and General Motors lost $18.7 billion.
 
In early November BMW AG are to announce "more than 40%" plunge in net income ... Ouch!

As said: internal forecasts predict red numbers in total for BMW AG in late 2009 ... if the crisis continues.

Not good, not good ...

Btw ... we are about to see blue-chip fall down ... Due to almost dead credit market many companies have no access to new credits to refinance the old ones, to buy raw materials etc. Governments are trying to do everything to start the credit wheel again. Even some direct subventions to certain big companies are possible. The last possible solution - to save the big companies from bankruptcy - is the nationalization.

I'm pessimistic ... I'm afraid the world is heading towards socialism without even wanting that. Was Marx right after all? Socialism as the final phase of the world economic order? This time will progress to it naturally ... without revolutions. How ironic.

I'm sure we're about to see some major shifts in capital (re)distribution.

The new era is coming.
Scary stuff...very scary times.:confused::t-hands: Thanks. PalBay
 
Scary stuff...very scary times.:confused::t-hands: Thanks. PalBay


If the world leaders don't act quickly enough that's the way we are heading, unfortunately. I hope they are blessed with some great wisdom.

If a global financial market regulator institution isn't introduced in the next few months (based on completely new rules & regulations - with a consensus of G20 countries) we are all doomed.

The problem is that some big players are still in denial, being convinced the way backwards is still possible. They are not ready to lose a lot of their assets. But with such hesitation they are putting all their wealth at stake.

I'm sure some enormous write-offs will be necessary - even some countries will have to file bankruptcies, and get their debts reseted. USA could be one of them.

All these measures are indeed very radical, difficult & unpopular - but only as such they will work.


*****

Without quick permanent solution we are risking a complete global economy meltdown. A great depression which can cause severe violent outbursts around the world.

This crisis is very deep since the economic "bloodstream" is hurt - the financial system. And lately this system was based & running on irrational, virtual & intangible values ... like trust, anticipation ... or even frauds.

And when bloodstream is hurting, other parts hurt as well ... "organs", "limbs", "cells" etc.

When all this is fixed, we'll start again. But be prepared we'll started quite some steps behind the point we stand today. No more easy loans & easy money profits. Therfore our dolce vita demands will have to chill down.

*****

I'm convinced we are entering the era of "rationalism" ...

The only question that remains is: will this transition to the new era be quick & painful, or gradual & smoother. That's in the hands of the big players.
 
While I know that things are terrible now and will probably be the same for 2009, at least I can see the light past 2010 based from the BMW the meeting I just attended. Got some really good technology coming out that I found interesting... until then it's every man for himself.
 
While I know that things are terrible now and will probably be the same for 2009, at least I can see the light past 2010 based from the BMW the meeting I just attended. Got some really good technology coming out that I found interesting... until then it's every man for himself.
I agree...2009 is going to be the year to get through.I keep the TV on CNBC 24/7.The basic's from the government are in place to settle things down.Hopefully,things will begin to stabilize toward 2010.I sure hope so for everyone's sake...and esp my beloved auto industry. :eusa_pray Thanks! PalBay
 
Speaking of Chrysler:

Daimler AG, the German company that once owned all of Chrysler and now owns 19.9 percent, depreciated its stake in the Auburn Hill, Michigan, automaker from $268 million at the end of the second quarter of 2008 to $0, from an accounting standpoint, yesterday. Just over a year ago, Daimler said its nearly 20 percent share was worth $2.2 billion.

LOL warot, you highlighted exactly the same thing as I did in my previous post. :usa7uh:
 
so the big 3 yanks are in trouble, and MB and BMW arent doing too brilliantly in these rough times. But how come I hear nothing about VAG and porsche. Surely they must be affected, especially porsche!
 

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