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What comes after Z?, we wondered when Nissan let the stage go black in 1996 and officially bid farewell to the Z-car at an event at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. Sales of the twin-turbo 300ZX had been declining as fast as applications for library cards, so Nissan simply stopped selling the car in the U.S. It made us wonder where the Z fit in Nissan's future.

The answer came in 2002, when the Nissan 350Z appeared, a serious sports car that seemed to measure itself against the Corvette in both speed and style. It brought people back to Nissan, but lots of the young enthusiasts didn't know what an icon the Z had been for the company since its inception in 1970.

With the 2009 Nissan 370Z, all that changes. As a Z should be, the 370Z is a statement of purpose, not just another car on the showroom floor. With this second-generation version of the revitalized Z, the car has moved on from affordable performance to something that brings new descriptions into play — not only like quick, fast, strong and powerful, but also gorgeous, luxurious, nimble, graceful, delicate and smooth.

This is a car so good that it makes you wonder what kind of car it is: a sports car, a sport coupe or a muscle-bound pony car? And that's where the 2008 BMW 135i comes in, a pocket-size BMW M3 with an affordable price tag to match.

The Not-So-Secret Weapon
The 2009 Nissan 370Z is priced like a pony car, with an MSRP for the base model that will start a whisker below $30,000 (final pricing has yet to be announced before the car's official on-sale date in January). Our Z arrived with the Sport package ($3,500 est.) and a still-wet paint job in nail-polish red ($500 estimated) for an estimated total of $34,625.

During the Z-car's development, Nissan targeted the Porsche Cayman as the new Z-car's dynamic goal. But the 2009 Cayman makes only 265 horsepower from its new 2.9-liter flat-6 engine, and you'll have to up the ante by almost $10,000 for a 2009 Cayman S with 320 hp to come within reach of the Z's 332-hp 3.7-liter V6. Suddenly, you're looking at a price tag far above $50,000, and the Porsche Cayman at any price seems one-dimensional compared to the Z-car.

We found the answer in our long-term test fleet and our very own 2008 BMW 135i, with its already legendary twin-turbo 300-hp inline-6 and a $35,725 base price. (Our particular test car also includes $2,045 in options, but those are mostly dress upgrades.)

Unlike the Z-car, the BMW has a backseat, but it also has the same sense of being fully equipped with both performance and convenience equipment as the Z-car. In this it's like a baby M3, combining sports car performance with sport coupe practicality. And this is what the 2009 Nissan 370Z is after, we think.


Full Story & Video: Edmunds Inside Line - Comparison Test: 2009 Nissan 370Z vs. 2008 BMW 135i


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I've always been a fan of Nissan Z. I was actually thinking of buying 350Z instead of my babybimmer. But I needed a backseat and practicality so the Nissan couldnt fullfill my needs. No doubt the 370Z is a sportier car than a 1-series however if you need space and practicality then 135i is a better choice.
Hopefully later on there will be a Z4 Coupé to compete with the Nissan.
 
Honestly, I think it's kind of pointless to compare these two because as my friend puts it, who owns a Z, "If I wanted a a back seat, I would've looked elsewhere." He wanted the Z because he didn't need the back seat. I know they kind of point to that in this article, but that's a big factor for anyone considering a car. "Do I need the room or not." If yes, then you won't be looking at the Z and if you don't want a back seat, you won't be looking at the 1er or equivalent.

Thanks for proving my point Just_Me.
 
What I found impressive is that a "regular" BMW can hang with a dedicated sports car in all but a few categories.

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^^Well, there is a huge difference in hang with and actually beat. A Supersnake can hang with with a ferrari and a lambo, that doesn't mean it can beat them. Also, with the Z, you're getting a cayman fighter not a 1er competitor. That's the main difference there.
 
I think we all can agree if there will be Z4 Coupé, first then we have a proper sportscar to the 370Z.
 
Wonder what is this extra dimension that 370Z has that cayman doesn't have - making people puke with its ugliness?

I liked 350Z a lot. But this new one is an over designed mess.
First time in a long time that I'm going to disagree with you.

I think this new Z is one of the most original, distinctively styled sports cars on the market. It's concentrated Z car DNA - a fitting testament to an illustrious lineage.

Just_me is right; it's true competitor is a forthcoming Z4 Coupe with a muscular, torque-rich engine a la N54. The Cayman S, disregarding even its premium pricing, isn't a true competitor from a size and engineering perspective.

I swear, if I had the dosh, I'd buy one of these to keep in the garage for weekends. It's just such a mouth-watering prospect for fans of driver's cars...
 
The 370Z is just unbeatable for it's value as a sports car compared to it's price.

As for the styling , it has grown on me and i find it way more attractive than BMW's miniature coupe.
 
I've only just noticed this now:



Even on a manual-equipped model, there's a current gear indicator. That's very unusual for a pukka manual and a very nice touch for the sporting enthusiast...
 
The best thing about the new 370Z for me is the automatic rev-matching feature on the models with a stickshift........that's right, no more need for heel n' toe if you drive this baby on a track.

Other than the skidpad, the performance of 370Z and 135i is very similar. I wonder whether that skidpad advantage of the 370Z translates into better laptimes on a track.

Regardless, a 350Z was on my radar when I was shopping for a fun car I could take to the track. However, the lack of rear seats in the Z really made the 135i my first choice. The ability to take the wife and kids on a fun drive occasionally was important to me.

So I think most of you are correct.....the 135i is not a sports car in the purest sense, but it can perform like one if you can adapt to its compromises to be a daily driver that can carry 4 people.

Looking forward to next year's track season.....I've worn out the stock runflats this past summer after 3 track events, and I'm shopping around for some light weight rims and some better tires. Thinking of adding some camber plates to add some negative camber to the front wheels too......I think the 1er will do just FINE compared to the big boys on a track.....:D
 
PCV - That's the worst thing about the new 370Z !!! ;)

Strewth, I spent all those years perfecting the technique and now you're telling me I don't have to heel 'n toe? Harrumph!

135i - better engine, better practicality, probably better suited to daily road use.
370Z - better sports car, track tool, drifter

So yes, with the family consideration then I'd opt for the 135i. But I wouldn't be buying the 370Z for the family... :icon_twis
 
PCV - That's the worst thing about the new 370Z !!! ;)

Strewth, I spent all those years perfecting the technique and now you're telling me I don't have to heel 'n toe? Harrumph!

135i - better engine, better practicality, probably better suited to daily road use.
370Z - better sports car, track tool, drifter

So yes, with the family consideration then I'd opt for the 135i. But I wouldn't be buying the 370Z for the family... :icon_twis

haha....Martin......you're a true purist when it comes to the driving experience.

Although I agree with you that it gives me great satisfaction when I nail that perfect heel n' toe to rev match when I downshift before a turn on a track, doing such takes TIME. No matter how good you are, it is likely a computer can do it better, faster, and with more consistency.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the fact I chose a stickshift in the 1er. I truly feel more connected to the driving experience. But when I'm trying to catch that 911 or M6 ahead of me on a track, every advantage counts, and if I don't have to worry about my heel n' toe technique, I can better concentrate on later braking and turning into a corner.

In fact, I'm convinced that one of the reasons I can be so fast in the C55 (relative to cars that should be quicker) on a track full of non-pro drivers is because the car is so easy to drive......no need to shift or any heel n toe......just brake, steer, and apply throttle. But having said that, I look forward to the personal challenge of going as fast or faster in the 1er by shifting/heel n toeing myself!!
 
Wonder what is this extra dimension that 370Z has that cayman doesn't have - making people puke with its ugliness?

I liked 350Z a lot. But this new one is an over designed mess.

I agree with Martin on this. This car is a beautiful example of original design from the Japanese. This car has basically taken the best of the 350Z and old school Datsun Z cars and merged them with 21st century stiling (the lights). When I first saw the car in camo, I thought the lights looked weird, but seeing those style lights in person (the Maxima), they are quite beautiful and set the car apart from the competitors.

Also, Martin, I agree with you about the love of "heel'n'toe". I didn't spend countless hours practicing that technique, just so it will be taken away from me in a manual. If I wanted my car to rev'match for me, I would opt for a dual-clutch or semi-auto box, not a manual. Of course, I hope there is a way to turn that feature off for people like us.

Valkyrie, I think it's a better reward (at least for me) when you can overtake or outright beat a competitor by completely controlling the car (manual) rather than have the car help you out (semi-auto, dsg, etc.). It just feels better doing it all on your own. :t-cheers:
 
If it wasn't for the price differential between the two and the hard visceral edge of the Z I'd take the 135i. Until BMW can come up with pricing that makes more sense (cut a few grand to get this thing as a bargain under $40k) its Z for me.
 
First time in a long time that I'm going to disagree with you.

I think this new Z is one of the most original, distinctively styled sports cars on the market. It's concentrated Z car DNA - a fitting testament to an illustrious lineage.

Just_me is right; it's true competitor is a forthcoming Z4 Coupe with a muscular, torque-rich engine a la N54. The Cayman S, disregarding even its premium pricing, isn't a true competitor from a size and engineering perspective.

I swear, if I had the dosh, I'd buy one of these to keep in the garage for weekends. It's just such a mouth-watering prospect for fans of driver's cars...

Haha, I guess it had to come to an end. Maybe I will change my mind if I see the Z in person, but I doubt it. I have seen the new Nissan, which shares the Z's heavy handed design features and I can't stand it.

As for the tricked out manual, yeah, I think it defeats the purpose of choosing a manual - that you get to do everything. And the pleasure of getting a heel toe shift just right all by yourself is worth the dozen half baked attempts before you get one right. And if that is not what you are after, go the whole nine yards and get a DCT and get it done with, it is not like Nissan doesn't know how to do one.
 
I hope there is a way to turn that feature off for people like us.
There is. It is a defeatable system.

Aside from being a trick gadget to have, I can see some worth in it. For a skilled driver proficient at heel-and-toeing, it can be helpful when you first learn a track. Once familiarized, you can turn it off and have maximum fun while almost maximizing performance. And for those into autocrossing or "time attacks," the system's ability to consistently perform perfect downshifts is a bonus for bragging rights. For longer events, there may be some benefit to driver fatigue and might help the driveline last longer as well.
In any event, there's no sequence of buttons to push when you want to do a launch, as many DCT's require you to do. You're also free to pick the revs at which you want to launch. DCT will also cost and weigh more, but has other benefits naturally.
 

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