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We all knew some cars are engineered to pass specific crash tests, however I never expect car companies sink to this low and only reinforce the side of the cars which are being subjected to the crash test.
Check out the front crash structure on the Toyota RAV 4, the passenger side is missing a bumper reinforcement.
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The differences in the level of crash protection is quite shocking.
 
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Here is the full press release, besides Toyota, Subaru and Mazda were caught out too.

The recent passenger-side tests show how big the differences can be. In this group of small SUVs, most didn't perform as well when they were crashed into a barrier on the right side instead of the left. That was even true of models that appeared symmetrical after removing bumper covers and other external components.

"When structural improvements are visible only on the driver side, there are large differences in performance," Mueller says. "But the inverse is not true. Some vehicle structures look the same on both sides, but they don't perform the same. That's why we can't rely on visual analysis but need to monitor this issue and possibly begin rating vehicles for passenger-side protection."

The 2015 Toyota RAV4 and the 2014 Nissan Rogue were the only vehicles to appear asymmetrical. In the passenger-side test, the RAV4 was the worst performer. If the Institute issued ratings for passenger-side protection, the RAV4 would earn a poor rating. The Rogue would earn a marginal.

These two vehicles had the highest amount of passenger-side intrusion. Intrusion measures are important because they indicate how well the structure held up; the greater the amount of intrusion, the higher the likelihood of serious injuries.

Maximum intrusion in the passenger-side test was 13 inches more than in the driver-side test for the RAV4 and 10 inches more for the Rogue. The Rogue's door hinge pillar was torn off completely, and the RAV4's door opened. In a real crash, an open door would leave the occupant at risk for ejection.

Two vehicles that appeared symmetrical, the 2014 Subaru Forester and the 2015 Mazda CX-5, also had substantially more intrusion in the passenger-side test than in the driver-side test.

In earlier research, Mueller found that the most common change manufacturers make to improve vehicle structure for small overlap protection is to strengthen the occupant compartment. To do this, they might use a different type of material or add a few millimeters of thickness — changes that can't be discerned from a visual examination. It's likely these types of modifications were made to the Forester and CX-5, but only on the driver side.

The other three vehicles tested had relatively similar structural performance on both sides of the vehicle. The small differences that were observed could have been caused by normal variability in test results. Another factor is that vehicles are to a certain extent inherently asymmetrical. For example, structures to secure the steering wheel and pedals may provide additional bracing around the driver-side toepan, which prevents some intrusion.

In addition to the seven passenger-side small overlap tests, Institute engineers conducted two passenger-side moderate overlap tests to make sure there weren't any differences in performance in that type of crash. One visually symmetrical vehicle, the 2015 Honda CR-V, and one asymmetrical vehicle, the RAV4, were chosen for these tests. There was little difference from the driver-side moderate overlap tests, and both vehicles would receive a good passenger-side moderate overlap rating.

"We conducted the moderate overlap tests as a spot check, and we weren't surprised that both vehicles performed well," Mueller says. "Many of today's models are designed for the global market and are subject to driver-side moderate overlap tests in right-hand-drive countries. With small overlap, there isn't the same incentive for symmetrical design because we're the only organization conducting the test."

IIHS passenger-side small overlap ratings would remedy that situation. The Institute could start such a program next year and make it a requirement for one of its safety awards as early as 2018.

 
I just always wonder why? They MUST know that they will be found out. Especially with something SO obvious.(n)
According to the press release, even vehicles with no obvious reinforcements didn't perform well when the passenger side is crash tested.
 
We've known this for years. This is why I would put my faith in brands like Volvo and Mercedes, which have a culture of safety engineering and are not just necessarily focused on laboratory crash testing. Though undoubtedly they too have probably had to pay heed to this trend for fear of being seen as 'inferior' if they too did not attain 5 stars.
 
We've known this for years. This is why I would put my faith in brands like Volvo and Mercedes, which have a culture of safety engineering and are not just necessarily focused on laboratory crash testing. Though undoubtedly they too have probably had to pay heed to this trend for fear of being seen as 'inferior' if they too did not attain 5 stars.


BINGO! I have been saying this for years. Volvo and Mercedes (and Saab before GM took over) were the only ones that made safety a priority way back when, long before it became popular. This is why I've always said these lab test don't mean shit. It is the real world testing/crashes that make a car safer. Anyone can pass lab tests and now you see why. Koreans do this all day long. Cheap tin cans that are designed to pass lab tests but will get you killed in the real world. Mercedes and Volvo stand along don't care what no lab test say. It is unfortunate that as you say they are forced to pass these lab tests and make corrections for them.

Great post.

The ultimate test would be to put these brands like Hyundai, Toyota and say Chevy through Mercedes' or Volvo's internal crash testing regimen. I bet those cars couldn't pass their testing. You can add anything under the FCA umbrella too.

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The ultimate test would be to put these brands like Hyundai, Toyota and say Chevy through Mercedes' or Volvo's internal crash testing regimen. I bet those cars couldn't pass their testing. You can add anything under the FCA umbrella too.
M
In the end you always get what you paid for, having said that Hyundai did remarkably well and performed on top in both tests.
 
This is truly shocking results, but one question I have is what about right hand drive cars? Surely Toyota would also include this reinforcement for the driver in a RHD car, so then the passenger side should get the protection as well if they make the parts interchangeable for the right and left side bumper reinforcements on LHD/RHD?
 
This is truly shocking results, but one question I have is what about right hand drive cars? Surely Toyota would also include this reinforcement for the driver in a RHD car, so then the passenger side should get the protection as well if they make the parts interchangeable for the right and left side bumper reinforcements on LHD/RHD?
Good point.....more worryingly Australian crash safety organization often take results from European as a valid rating for RHD cars sold here.
 
Marcus, Mohammed; I really appreciate you, but you must not act like blind fanboys.

-The C class W204 performed bad when the IHSS introduced the small overlap test , so their internal crash test regimen isn't has good as one think. Volvo passed the test without problem.

-The W205 hybrid behaved miserably in the Swedish moose test, because the "genius" engineers didn't account for the weight and different polar moment of inertia of the hybrid when setting the ESP.

-There's a review of a British magazine which I can't remember, comparing auto city brake and the likes, between a Volvo, a VW Up! and a S class W221. The Mercedes was the worst performer and crashed the dummy test car in front.

-Let's not forget the first A class and flipping on the moose test.

It seems is Volvo and only Volvo when it comes to safety.

Also, I wonder if these reinforcements fitted are only specific to the US markets and omitted in other countries. Most manufacturers, including Audi downgrade the safety elements in countries like mine, to sell the cars cheaper against their competitors or to have a bigger profit margin.
My ex girlfriend has a 2014 Hyundai Tucson, and that piece of shit doesn't even have a single airbag nor does have ABS. They sell you safety "packs" as optional or with highers trims.
 
Marcus, Mohammed; I really appreciate you, but you must not act like blind fanboys.

-The C class W204 performed bad when the IHSS introduced the small overlap test , so their internal crash test regimen isn't has good as one think. Volvo passed the test without problem.

-The W205 hybrid behaved miserably in the Swedish moose test, because the "genius" engineers didn't account for the weight and different polar moment of inertia of the hybrid when setting the ESP.

-There's a review of a British magazine which I can't remember, comparing auto city brake and the likes, between a Volvo, a VW Up! and a S class W221. The Mercedes was the worst performer and crashed the dummy test car in front.

-Let's not forget the first A class and flipping on the moose test.

It seems is Volvo and only Volvo when it comes to safety.

Also, I wonder if these reinforcements fitted are only specific to the US markets and omitted in other countries. Most manufacturers, including Audi downgrade the safety elements in countries like mine, to sell the cars cheaper against their competitors or to have a bigger profit margin.
My ex girlfriend has a 2014 Hyundai Tucson, and that piece of shit doesn't even have a single airbag nor does have ABS. They sell you safety "packs" as optional or with highers trims.

Mainly a whole lot of bullshit because very few cars did well in the overlap test when it appears and again as I said before, it is a LAB test. Check the death rates for Mercedes and then come back. A moose test is interesting but doesn't define a car's safety either. How do you know what their internal crash testing regimen is or how stringent it is? You have no way of knowing that based on one LAB test. That is the whole point here. Toyota fixed their cars to pass a lab test on ONE side of the car, something you won't find MB or Volvo doing.

Mercedes' work in safety far outweighs any of them and ultimately nothing you've posted points a Mercedes being an outright unsafe car, history tells us otherwise. Sorry.

Mercedes and Volvo have been pioneers in safety and ain't no damn moose test going to unravel that. NO one said they were perfect but they're better than most if not all, except each other MB/Volvo.

M
 
-There's a review of a British magazine which I can't remember, comparing auto city brake and the likes, between a Volvo, a VW Up! and a S class W221. The Mercedes was the worst performer and crashed the dummy test car in front.

It was old model and that Distronic was not supposed to stop car completely. That car is basically updated 2005 technology!

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This is all a bit concerning. As far as I am aware, the small overlap crash test is the newest of all the major crash tests performed, and so many car companies have struggled to adapt quickly to it since it was not part of their models' development stages. With regards to symmetry in the body structure, even some new cars appear to not be perfect. Take a look at the latest E Class for example (image from NetCarShow). On the left front side there are two reinforcement beams connecting the suspension turret to the front bulkhead, whereas on the right side there is only one beam. The placement of engine-bay components on the right-hand side probably preclude the installation of an equivalent beam on that side. It is not inconceivable that this could result in a slight difference in crash performance of the right side versus the left. Hopefully the difference would be very minor although.
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This is all a bit concerning. As far as I am aware, the small overlap crash test is the newest of all the major crash tests performed, and so many car companies have struggled to adapt quickly to it since it was not part of their models' development stages. With regards to symmetry in the body structure, even some new cars appear to not be perfect. Take a look at the latest E Class for example (image from NetCarShow). On the left front side there are two reinforcement beams connecting the suspension turret to the front bulkhead, whereas on the right side there is only one beam. The placement of engine-bay components on the right-hand side probably preclude the installation of an equivalent beam on that side. It is not inconceivable that this could result in a slight difference in crash performance of the right side versus the left. Hopefully the difference would be very minor although.
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