Comparison tests Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari

[Monster]

The way I look at it is that Ferrari made 499 LaFerrari, and sold every single one of them to people who have to meet Ferrari's ridiculous high requirements, Mclaren made 375 P1 and it wasn't an instant sell out, despite the lower price and the higher perceived exclusivity. I will leave out the 918 because Porsche's business model is not the same as Ferrari and Mclaren.

So the LaFerrari is the most appealing to those people in that part of the market.

 

[Emu]

Lol, where did you get that from..

Reading.

The way I look at it is that Ferrari made 499 LaFerrari, and sold every single one of them to people who have to meet Ferrari's ridiculous high requirements, Mclaren made 375 P1 and it wasn't an instant sell out, despite the lower price and the higher perceived exclusivity. I will leave out the 918 because Porsche's business model is not the same as Ferrari and Mclaren.

So the LaFerrari is the most appealing to those people in that part of the market.

From a hard-nosed commercial perspective that's correct but from another perspective, a fool and his money are easily parted. I don't think you can usefully judge a car based on sales. The Reventon sold out and it was an LP640 with a body-kit and a £1m price tag. Then you have a Spyker C8, which is inferior to an Audi R8 V8 and costs £200k and still sells. People are odd, people buy just to be different, people buy the badge etc. The market isn't always rational. There is also the rapper/footballer element, who often have less brains than a goat. There are also many examples of cars that have only achieved recognition in the aftermarket and the LaFerrari and P1 prices have both risen by about 60-75%.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/ferrari/laferrari
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mclaren/p1

Porsche 918 down 10%.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/918-spyder

 

[Monster]

From a hard-nosed commercial perspective that's correct but from another perspective, a fool and his money are easily parted.

They aren't that big of a fool to become financially successful enough to purchase these cars, if not all of them. What will you say to those who have any combination of the 3 cars? Are they a fool as well?

 

[Emu]

They aren't that big of a fool to become financially successful enough to purchase these cars, if not all of them. What will you say to those who have any combination of the 3 cars? Are they a fool as well?

I've elaborated on the point somewhat, so hopefully you'll see what I mean. To a certain extent, richer, more successful people more easily part with their money simply because they still have enough afterwards and don't care as much. Sometimes it's either buy a car or pay more tax.

 

[Bucketslash11]

The way I look at it is that Ferrari made 499 LaFerrari, and sold every single one of them to people who have to meet Ferrari's ridiculous high requirements, Mclaren made 375 P1 and it wasn't an instant sell out, despite the lower price and the higher perceived exclusivity. I will leave out the 918 because Porsche's business model is not the same as Ferrari and Mclaren.

So the LaFerrari is the most appealing to those people in that part of the market.

keep in mind that there is ALOT of snobbery around the ferrari badge, much more than mclaren and porsche

 

[Emu]

keep in mind that there is ALOT of snobbery around the ferrari badge, much more than mclaren and porsche

Completely true. Trying to judge 'the best' car based on sales is only relevant to accountants. That's something people all sides of the fence should be able to agree on.

 

[Bucketslash11]

@DeDe i've been to spoert autos website and seen that their 12/2014 magazine has a comparison of 918 and the P1, is it possible to get scans or preformance numbers from that? (or has it been posted already?)

 

[DeDe]

@DeDe i've been to spoert autos website and seen that their 12/2014 magazine has a comparison of 918 and the P1, is it possible to get scans or preformance numbers from that? (or has it been posted already?)

It's only a driving comparison, but as far as I know, @Soup already posted the article somewhere on GCF.

 

[Soup]

It's only a driving comparison, but as far as I know, @Soup already posted the article somewhere on GCF.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/hyper-car-comparison.48500/page-14#post-720686

 

[boyko23]

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/hyper-car-comparison.48500/page-14#post-720686

For the German speaking people here - what is written in this article? Any verdicts?
Someone mentioned on another board, that SA measured lap times at Hochenhaim, which will be announced at the end of this month, but this is only a rumor...

 

[Emu]

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Cheers. That's exactly what I was saying, same time over quarter mile, which is where P1 passes 918 from a launch. You can see why longer GP track straights would benefit the P1. Also see my comments below regrading those different day acceleration runs.

http://www.germancarforum.com/threa...ari-topgear-evo-etc.52070/page-13#post-722688

Looking at the TG lap results. If the 918 got the higher peak speed, it seems that it did indeed win there. Actually scratch that, just looked at the peak g figures. What track is that on?

 

[Emu]

For the German speaking people here - what is written in this article? Any verdicts?
Someone mentioned on another board, that SA measured lap times at Hochenhaim, which will be announced at the end of this month, but this is only a rumor...

Was it Hockenheim Short or Hockenheim GP? I would expect the 918 to beat the P1 at Hockenheim Short unless it's got the Trofeo Rs on. The real problem is that MPSC2s are the summer semi-slick option on the 2015 Z06 and the 918 wears them as standard, whereas the PZero Corsa is an all-weather sport tyre. For that reason it's always an apples to oranges comparison, especially on shorter, lower speed tracks that rely on mechanical grip.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-chevrolet-corvette-z06-full-test-review

Then there’s the mega Z07 Performance package that further weaponizes the car with carbon-ceramic brakes, a carbon-fiber aero package, a slightly revised suspension tune, and different tires. The Z07’s run-flat Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 summer almost-slicks replace the base run-flat Michelin Pilot Super Sports and are, to borrow from Mark Twain, the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning.

Meanwhile the Z28 Camaro wears Trofeo Rs as standard. So we have ourselves a tyre arbitrage on what's deemed appropriate for lap times.

 

[Emu]

Just for the driving comparison. I think the other Autocar test results are elsewhere too. Happy for it to be removed. The reason I've posted it is because the acceleration times below were taken on separate days. They tested the P1 on its own and then they tested the 918 on its own. Autocar always shows the times of the nearest competitor when showing the results. I know they did a same day edited drag race but these times are not from that.

If you look at the last page of the results I posted you'll see the P1 took about 20s dead to get to 200mph (vs just under 30s for the 918 on the same day), which is clearly different from getting to 180mph in 18s and taking 3.1s to get from 170-180mph. The likely explanation is a bad head wind on the day the P1 was tested and/or the use of the high downforce settings and no DRS. 0-200mph in 20s is more likely to involve 0-180mph in <16s under equivalent circumstances.

This is why these figures don't make sense.



The P1 and 918 reach a quarter in the same time and the P1 is 2.6mph faster, so it should pull from there. Yet the 160-170mph stint is slower than the 918, even though that's where the front e-motor kicks out on the 918. And they both reach a km in the same time? Doesn't make sense unless conditions are vastly different.

 

[Observer1]

For the German speaking people here - what is written in this article? Any verdicts?
Someone mentioned on another board, that SA measured lap times at Hochenhaim, which will be announced at the end of this month, but this is only a rumor...

The verdict of this test was that the P1 felt more agile on the Hockenheim track than the 918. No laptimes were mentioned though in some parts the P1 was "a blink of an eye" quicker than the 918. Reason was no doubt that the P1 was delivered with Trofeo-R tyres which will also have impacted how the car felt on the track due to the "stickier" rubber.

 

[Apolo1]

I've elaborated on the point somewhat, so hopefully you'll see what I mean. To a certain extent, richer, more successful people more easily part with their money simply because they still have enough afterwards and don't care as much. Sometimes it's either buy a car or pay more tax.

Lol, 1st on the BHP, no diff on the 918 between the Weiss Pk and Standard car. Also if you look at the add you ref on the 918, if you take into account the taxes you will find its 10% over list.

If you are going to quote something as fact please take the time to get it correct, would be helpful....

As for your view with regard to successful people with money, in my experience nothing could be further from the truth, they, we, I watch every penny.......

That's what makes the 918 so attractive, in comparison to the built a price point, P1.....

 

[Emu]

Lol, 1st on the BHP, no diff on the 918 between the Weiss Pk and Standard car. Also if you look at the add you ref on the 918, if you take into account the taxes you will find its 10% over list.

You can say the same about UK VAT, which is 20%.

If you are going to quote something as fact please take the time to get it correct, would be helpful....

I apologise. I did read somewhere that the 12hp increase was associated with the Weissach pack, so clearly a professional journalist also misread the situation. The 12hp increase on a 900hp engine has confused many people.

As for your view with regard to successful people with money, in my experience nothing could be further from the truth, they, we, I watch every penny.......

You might but I don't think you can apply that statement generically to everybody and hey, everything is relative as regards definitions of 'watching every penny'.

That's what makes the 918 so attractive, in comparison to the built a price point, P1.....

You obviously don't like the P1, I can't imagine what it ever did to you.

 

[Emu]

The verdict of this test was that the P1 felt more agile on the Hockenheim track than the 918. No laptimes were mentioned though in some parts the P1 was "a blink of an eye" quicker than the 918. Reason was no doubt that the P1 was delivered with Trofeo-R tyres which will also have impacted how the car felt on the track due to the "stickier" rubber.

Does it mention the Trofeo R tyres?

http://www.germancarforum.com/threads/hyper-car-comparison.48500/page-14#post-720686

 

[Emu]

Here's a P1 lap of Laguna Seca (unknown driver). The lap was performed having to drive slower in places to stay inside noise limits (90dB) and with lap traffic. Only 5 laps were ran. After examining the lap afterwards they believe a 1:29 is possible.

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[Apolo1]

You can say the same about UK VAT, which is 20%.


I apologise. I did read somewhere that the 12hp increase was associated with the Weissach pack, so clearly a professional journalist also misread the situation. The 12hp increase on a 900hp engine has confused many people.


You might but I don't think you can apply that statement generically to everybody and hey, everything is relative as regards definitions of 'watching every penny'.


You obviously don't like the P1, I can't imagine what it ever did to you.

No probs, but no Junro has ever quoted a 12bhp increase, same goes for Reading.

But you made a statement that the 918 has lost 10% in value, and used an example to support this, this example is factually incorrect.

I think the P1 is a great car, but at a price............

 

[klier]

I think the P1 is a great car, but at a price............

Yea and the same counts for the LaF and 918.