AMuS & Sport Auto - Hockenheimring laptimes

Sport Auto's notes regarding Hockenheim:
Unlike the Nordschleife north loop where a clean driving on the ideal line is crucial for a fast laptime, here on Hockenheim a good laptime depend on how hard the driver dare to push the car to the limits.
Extremely late braking and brutal out accelerating from the curves belong to the obligation program. The traction is thereby a very important factor. Since the average speed is relatively low, handling is more important than engine performance. Also the efficiency and stability (fading) of the brakes and transverse accelerations have large influence. (by Just_me)

1:07.2 min - Gumpert Apollo Sport - 700 hp, 1458 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:08.3 min - Corvette ZR1 High Performance Package - 647 hp, 1526 kg, Michelin PS Cup ZP
1:08.4 min - Manthey Motors M600 (997 GT2) - 600 hp, 1480 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:08.4 min - Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997.2) - 620 hp, 1405 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:08.6 min - Porsche Carrera GT - 612 hp, 1473 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport
1:08.6 min - Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 - 700 hp, 1792 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:08.7 min - Corvette Z06 Ultimate Performance Package - 512 hp, 1480 kg, Michelin PS Cup ZP
1:08.7 min - McLaren MP4-12C - 600 hp, 1451 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:09.2 min - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera - 570 hp, 1493 kg, Pirell P Zero Corsa
1:09.3 min - MTM-KTM X-Bow - 318 hp, 859 kg, Toyo R888
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (997.2) - 450 hp, 1370 kg, Michelin PS Cup N1
1:09.5 min - Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 (997.2) - 500 hp, 1388 kg, Michelin PS Cup N1
1:09.5 min - Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV - 670 hp, 1764 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:09.6 min - Audi R8 GT - 560 hp, 1577 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa R02
1:09.7 min - Ferrari 458 Italia MY12 - 570 hp, 1546 kg, Michelin Pilot Super Sport (AMuS)
1:09.7 min - Wiesmann GT MF5 - 507 hp, 1421 kg, Michelin PS Cup+
1:09.7 min - Porsche 911 GT2 (997.1) - 530 hp, 1497 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:09.7 min - Corvette ZR1 - 647 hp, 1533 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport ZP
1:09.8 min - Koenigsegg CCR - 806 hp, 1418 kg, Michelin PS 2
1:09.9 min - TechArt GTstreet (997.1) - 630 hp, 1552 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:10.0 min - Nissan GT-R MY2011 - 530 hp, 1784 kg, Dunlop Sport Maxx GT600
1:10.2 min - KTM X-Bow Clubsport - 240 hp, 858 kg, Toyo R888
1:10.2 min - Ruf Rt12 (997.1) - 650 hp, 1573 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:10.3 min - Ferrari 430 Scuderia - 510 hp, 1402 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:10.4 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (991) - 400 hp, 1497 kg, Pirell P Zero N0
1:10.4 min - Porsche 911 GT3 (997.2) - 435 hp, 1426 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:10.5 min - Ferrari 458 Italia - 570 hp, 1540 kg, Michelin PS K1
1:10.7 min - Hohenester-Audi TT RS Stufe II - 475 hp, 1529 kg, Dunlop Direzza 03G
1:10.9 min - AC Schnitzer Mini Coupé JCW (Raptor) - 300 hp, 1074 kg, Dunlop Direzza 03G
1:11.5 min - Novidem-Audi R8 Kompressor - 520 hp, 1601 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:11.8 min - KTM X-Bow - 240 hp, 858 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport
1:11.9 min - a-workx-BMW M3 460 cs - 460 hp, 1564 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:11.9 min - Corvette Grand Sport - 437 hp, 1549 kg, Goodyear Eagle F1
1:12.0 min - Ferrai 599 GTB Fiorano - 620 hp, 1748 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:12.1 min - Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 550 hp, 2024 kg, Michelin Pilot Super Sport N0
1:12.5 min - BMW M3 GTS - 450 hp, 1546 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:12.7 min - Ferrari F430 - 490 hp, 1493 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:12.7 min - Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro - 420 hp, 1595 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:12.7 min - Audi R8 5.2 FSI Spyder - 525 hp, 1758 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:12.9 min - BMW M5 (F10) - 560 hp, 1940 kg, Michelin Pilot Super Sport
1:13.1 min - Audi TT RS - 340 hp, 1484 kg (est.), Dunlop Sport Maxx Race
1:13.2 min - Kelleners Sport KS1-RS (BMW 1M) - 420 hp, 1508 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:13.2 min - Mercedes-Benz SL63 AMG Performance Package - 564 hp, 1875 kg, Continental Sport Contact 5P
1:13.4 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK (997.2) - 385 hp, 1450 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
1:13.5 min - BMW M3 CSL - 360 hp, 1421 kg, Michelin PS Cup
1:13.5 min - Ferrari California - 460 hp, 1787 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:13.6 min - BMW M3 CRT - 450 hp, 1583 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport
1:13.8 min - Porsche Boxster S PDK (981) - 315 hp, 1442 kg, Pirelli P Zero (AMuS)
1:13.8 min - Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series - 507 hp, 1745 kg, Pirelli P Zero Corsa
1:13.9 min - Porsche Boxster S PDK (981) - 315 hp, 1405 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:14.0 min - Porsche Cayman S (987.2) - 320 hp, 1406 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
1:14.0 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition Package - 420 hp, 1617 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport (AMuS)
1:14.1 min - BMW 1M - 340 hp, 1513 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport
1:14.2 min - BMW M3 DKG Competition Package - 420 hp, 1640 kg, Michelin PS2
1:14.3 min - Lotus Evora - 280 hp, 1390 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:14.3 min - Audi TT RS - 340 hp, 1480 kg, Continental SportContact 5P
1:14.3 min - BMW M3 Coupé - 420 hp, 1608 kg, Michelin PS Cup+
1:14.5 min - BMW Alpina B5 Biturbo (F10) - 507 hp, 1992 kg, Michelin Pilot Super Sport
1:14.6 min - Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG T-model '10 - 525 hp, 2037 kg, Continental SportContact 5P
1:14.7 min - Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 - 515 hp, 1775 kg, Pirelli P Zero Assimetrico
1:14.8 min - Lotus Elise S '12 - 220 hp, 938 kg, Yokohama Advan Neova (AMuS)
1:15.0 min - Hamann-BMW M3 '08 - 455 hp, 1645 kg, Michelin PS2
1:15.0 min - Audi TT RS S-tronic - 340 hp, 1502 kg, Michelin PS2
1:15.1 min - Jaguar XKR-S Cabriolet - 550 hp, 1897 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:15.2 min - BMW M3 Sedan - 420 hp, 1648 kg, Michelin PS2
1:15.2 min - Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG - 457 hp, 1772 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:15.3 min - Audi RS6 Avant - 580 hp, 2121 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:15.3 min - Audi RS5 '10 - 450 hp, 1816 kg, Pirelli P Zero
1:15.4 min - BMW M6 Cabriolet - 560 hp, 2047 kg, Michelin Pilot Super Sport
1:15.5 min - Mercedes-Benz SL500 - 435 hp, 1808 kg, Continental SportContact 5P M0
1:15.5 min - Audi TT RS Roadster S-tronic - 340 hp, 1599 kg, Toyo Proxes Sport (AMuS)
1:15.8 min - Audi TT RS Plus Roadster (manual) - 360 hp, 1562 kg, Toyo Proxes T1 Sport
1:15.9 min - Porsche 911 Carrera (997.1) - 325 hp, 1476 kg, Michelin PS2
1:16.1 min - BMW Alpina B3 Biturbo Coupé - 360 hp, 1634 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport
1:16.1 min - Porsche 911 Carrera (997.2) - 345 hp, 1486 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
1:17.2 min - Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X SST - 295 hp, 1630 kg, Dunlop SP Sport 600 (AMuS)
1:17.6 min - BMW Z4 sDrive 35is - 340 hp, 1621 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A (AMuS)
1:18.3 min - Porsche Panamera Diesel - 250 hp, 1903 kg, Michelin Pilot Sport (AMuS)
1:18,4 min - Volkswagen Scirocco R DSG - 265 hp, 1440 kg, Pirelli Cinturato P7 (AMuS)
1:18.9 min - Chevrolet Camaro SS - 432 hp, 1804 kg, Pirelli P Zero (AMuS)
1:19.2 min - Renault Mégane RS '12 - 265 hp, 1420 kg, Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT (AMuS)
1:19.7 min - Mercedes-Benz SLK350 BlueEFFICIENCY 7G-tronic - 306 hp, 1582 kg, Continental SportContact5 (AMuS)
1:20.2 min - Citroen DS3 Racing S. Loeb Edition - 207 hp, 1203 kg, Bridgestone Potenza RE050A
1:20.6 min - Mini Roadster JCW - 211 hp, 1255 kg, Continental SportContact 3 SSR
1:21.2 min - Mini Cabriolet JCW - 211 hp, 1277 kg, Continental SportContact 3 SSR
1:21.9 min - Renault Clio RS "sport auto Edition" - 201 hp, 1286 kg, Yokohama Parada Spec-2
1:23.5 min - Abarth 695 Tributo Ferrari - 180 hp, 1143 kg, Michelin Pilot Exalto (AMuS)

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Thanks Just Me!! Great Job! Wow these times are very interesting.


Some interetsing things I'm noticing:
The CGT is king of this track and the nurburgring apparently, Porsche really did that car well.
The R32 is slower than the 130 which is different than Top Gear's results.
The Gallardo SE is slower than the regular gallardo.
The 645i's time is way up there with some amazing cars...
The M3 CSL is just as fast as the SLR round the track!
Despite being the most powerful road car in the world the CL65 lags in this test.
The 535d time is faster than the XKR! lol. and its a diesel. Shame on Jaguar!

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I don't know whether I should laugh or be impressed with the Ford GTs laptime.

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I'm impressed! It seems to me that the Carrera S is just a bit faster than the M6 on both this track and the Nurburgring....interesting though, they are very close...

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WOw and the Vette beats 99% of the competition enough said K thx

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Yea, that car is a beast! The best performance for the money. Probably the best performance car under 150k.......I kind of wish the Ford GT's gearbox wasnt broken to get a laptime comparable to the Z06?

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I wonder what the RS4 can pull, Ford GT and some 63 AMG cars and also Z4M

What I noticed is that the Z06 time, there has a higher gap to its basic 400hp brother than it has to the Carrera.

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M5 E39 quicker than CLS55 ? Kinda doesnt make sence , BTW that CLS 55 timing matches the E55's timing from last year , some thing fishy about that .

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MoSs AMG said:

M5 E39 quicker than CLS55 ? Kinda doesnt make sence , BTW that CLS 55 timing matches the E55's timing from last year , some thing fishy about that .

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Nothing fishy at all, just facts from Sportauto (maybe the driver had a bad day ).

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Just_me said:

Nothing fishy at all, just facts from Sportauto (maybe the driver had a bad day ).

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no !! not maybe ,, he did have a bad day ...

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It`s amazing how the RS4 V8 is faster than the E60 M5 around Hockenheim.
The Audi has some 87 less hp. This is proof the Audi is simply more athletic. Bring on the new RS6 in a hurry!

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GTA7.5 said:

It`s amazing how the RS4 V8 is faster than the E60 M5 around Hockenheim.
The Audi has some 87 less hp. This is proof the Audi is simply more athletic. Bring on the new RS6 in a hurry!

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you know it as well (so you dont need to give me any excuses) that RS4 weigh less than M5, just look at M3 E46, its also faster than the new M5, next M3 will be even faster. So its not really a surprise the Rs4 is faster than M5. Its just logical.

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Just_me said:

you know it as well (so you dont need to give me any excuses) that RS4 weigh less than M5, just look at M3 E46, its also faster than the new M5, next M3 will be even faster. So its not really a surprise the Rs4 is faster than M5. Its just logical.

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Well if weight is an excuse than it`s a poor one. I know the SL65 is heavier
than the Lamborghini Diablo SV and the SL65 has a better track time!
1.15.6 vs. 1.16.4 Is it weight or just athetic talent.

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GTA7.5 said:

Well if weight is an excuse than it`s a poor one. I know the SL65 is heavier
than the Lamborghini Diablo SV and the SL65 has a better track time!
1.15.6 vs. 1.16.4 Is it weight or just athetic talent.

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You know it just like me, weigth and lower center of gravity are just a few examples what make a car fast around a track. Diablo is an old car and hardly a "state of art". Except for SLR and CLKDTM, the SL versions are handling excellent, they are underestimated. Just look at M6, its an heavy car but manage to do it in 1.14,4 min. I believe next M3 will be faster than the M6. Also there is a reason why F1 cars weigh as less as possible. Weight is an heavy issue on tracks and it aint a secret.

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GTA7.5 said:

It`s amazing how the RS4 V8 is faster than the E60 M5 around Hockenheim.
The Audi has some 87 less hp. This is proof the Audi is simply more athletic. Bring on the new RS6 in a hurry!

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You should also bare in mind that the RS4 runs on semi racing tires.

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Just_me said:

I believe next M3 will be faster than the M6.

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You believe the the next M3 will be faster than the M6?
The top of the line should always be the better performer. I would be an upset M6 owner if that were true. I couldn`t brag my M6 being faster around Hockenheim.

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Luwalira said:

You should also bare in mind that the RS4 runs on semi racing tires.

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thats true, I forgot about it. I wonder how much faster M3 CS is around Hockenheim compared to standard M3.

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GTA7.5 said:

You believe the the next M3 will be faster than the M6?
The top of the line should always be the better performer. I would be an upset M6 owner if that were true. I couldn`t brag my M6 being faster around Hockenheim.

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MAybe, Im not 100% sure but al least it will be a similar laptime. M6 is a heavy GT and M3's always been the ultimate M.
Dont forget future M3 CSL and M6 CSL, that will be a real battle

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Just_me said:

you know it as well (so you dont need to give me any excuses) that RS4 weigh less than M5, just look at M3 E46, its also faster than the new M5, next M3 will be even faster. So its not really a surprise the Rs4 is faster than M5. Its just logical.

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Does the RS 4 weigh less than the M3 E46?

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Choleric said:

Does the RS 4 weigh less than the M3 E46?

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Dont think so but Im not 100% sure