XK Jaguar XK's chief engineer discusses the challenges, benefits of building with alumin


The Jaguar XK is a two-door 2+2 grand tourer manufactured and marketed by Jaguar Cars from 1996–2012 and by Jaguar Land Rover from 2013–2014 in hatchback coupé and convertible body styles, across two generations. The XK was introduced at the Geneva Motor Show in March 1996 and was discontinued in July 2014.

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Jaguar XK's chief engineer discusses the challenges, benefits of building with aluminum

By MARK RECHTIN | AUTOMOTIVE NEWS

AutoWeek | Published 05/17/06, 3:18 pm et


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Russ Varney has worked on Jaguar coupes since 1992. But as chief program engineer on the Jaguar XK's 2007 redesign, Varney was presented with a new challenge. The 48-year-old Englishman had to develop the coupe and convertible versions in parallel. In the past, Jaguar has done the coupe first, chopped off the roof and then reinforced the convertible. And Varney had to do it in aluminum instead of steel. Varney spoke with Automotive News Staff Reporter Mark Rechtin at the XK's launch.

Is the XK's use of aluminum an advance over the XJ sedan?

The XJ was largely a steel process made in aluminum. Most of the XJ parts are stamped. It taught us how to rivet and bond. It also taught us about the problems -- the "springback" of stamped parts, where the pieces won't keep their exact shape.

The XK needed a different solution because a coupe is a more difficult package, and we were making a version without a roof. We are using more castings and extrusions, which were about 11 percent for the XJ, but about 25 percent of the XK. Castings let you put the amount of material thickness you need in the right place, and you don't need two or three different parts connected with joints, like you do with stampings.

What is special about the use of aluminum in the new XK?

The whole side sill from the A-post to the back of the car is a single extrusion. It's 8 inches tall and 8 to 10 millimeters thick. I think it is the largest automotive aluminum extrusion piece in Europe.

Castings and extrusions reduce the number of joints where metal pieces come together, and that adds strength to the body. As a result, the new convertible is as stiff as the old coupe.

Then there's the weight savings. The Mercedes SL is very capable but it weighs (4,090 pounds). The BMW 6-series convertible's body-shake performance isn't great, and it still weighs (4,200 pounds). The XK convertible comes in at (3,620 pounds), and that's a massive difference. It's two people and their luggage less weight.

What difficulties did you encounter with aluminum?

Nobody has ever done a mass-produced aluminum convertible in monocoque (unibody) form. BMW's Z8 was a spaceframe, which isn't the same. There isn't a CAD (computer-aided design) tool to do this. We had to learn some lessons on the way.

Such as?

In creating the "torque box" section of the body-in-white, we were trying to direct crash-load transfers from the front clip to the side sill, and that makes for a lot of mass in a confined area. Because of that mass, we found out that the adhesive didn't get hot enough to cure in the paint shop. So we had to develop a different adhesive that went off at a different temperature.

What does the XK provide for the driver that the German coupes do not?

Those cars are focused on driving German roads and being competent at going 150 miles an hour. But those cars don't have a "roundness" to them. Their dynamics have all these sharp edges to them. For instance, the Audi DSG transmission's downshift will jar you to prove to you how good it is. We've rounded things off a bit.

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060518/FREE/60516007/1041/TOC01ARCHIVE

The new XK is such an awesome car, there's one parked outside my house right now, slvr/blk w/ chrome 20" "Senta" wheels. I'm not fan of the chrome look, but it is very classy and sophisticated.:usa7uh:
 
It's funny that Jag comments on the 6er Cabrio rigidity when their XJ is known to be terrible in that aspect, though it's impressive that it has the weight of a C-class. I don't know I'm still not liking the XK, I still prefer the old one even though it was flawed in most cases.
 
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My dad had a 98 XK8 coupe, really cramped on the inside but an absolute beauty in the way the curves wrapped over the wheels, and how the wheels lifted the car up in a muscular but elegant fashion. Jags are really cool cars, too bad they won't have something for the entry market for sometime to come. Would be nice to upgrade to something else in the PAG portfolio, looks like it will be BMW AG/ or Audi AG for me.:D
 
The XK convertiable - Wind, rattles... like a haunted house on wheels.

Maybe the thing is lighter than the 6er cab, but it's also more expensive and slower.
 
Osnabrueck said:
The XK convertiable - Wind, rattles... like a haunted house on wheels.

Maybe the thing is lighter than the 6er cab, but it's also more expensive and slower.

You get what you pay for w/ the new XK, quality is in vast quanity everywhere througout the cabin, what looks like aluminum is in fact aluminum not some painted plastic surface. Same goes for the leather dashboard. It's like an Aston but by no means a poor mans Aston, it's a Jaguar w/ Aston inspiration.:D As far as the car being quick enough, it's not as fast as it's German compeititors, but only so because it's not as powerful. Once they update the AJ V8 to a new engine, I'm sure you'll see much better perfomance numbers.
 
It`s really unbelivable that this Xk droptop weighs only 3600lbs. I want to see some real articles on this car.

Anyway I still can`t believe BMW hasn`t mastered the cowl shake
in their convertibles. :eusa_doh:
 
GTA7.5 said:
It`s really unbelivable that this Xk droptop weighs only 3600lbs. I want to see some real articles on this car.
QUOTE]

Well I know some british magazine tested a heavily optioned new XK and found it heavier than the old one.
I'll try to get more info.
 
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GTA7.5 said:
Anyway I still can`t believe BMW hasn`t mastered the cowl shake
in their convertibles. :eusa_doh:

because its not a dangerous thing and Bimmers are still one of the best cars to drive in the world. If it was a problem BMW would have checked it out.
6er Cabriolet is a cruiser, not a track tool.
 
But do you really think BMW should just brush this off? I mean this is a $90,000 car. Everything should be as tight as a drum imo.
 
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GTA7.5 said:
But do you really think BMW should just brush this off? I mean this is a $90,000 car. Everything should be as tight as a drum imo.

I still say its not a major problem and not worth fixing right now.
 
GTA7.5 said:
But do you really think BMW should just brush this off? I mean this is a $90,000 car. Everything should be as tight as a drum imo.
It IS tight as a drum. I'm not sure what the point is here other than Ford trying to discredit their competition to gain a bit of the market, that's low.
 
GTA7.5 said:
But do you really think BMW should just brush this off? I mean this is a $90,000 car. Everything should be as tight as a drum imo.

Ha! Look man... we drove the new XK last week and I can tell you one thing - it's about as tight as stick of warm string cheese. To intimate that BMW "has some kind of problem" with their 6er is sheer nonsense. If you believe this stuff, then you're taking some cheap marketing bait, hook, line and sinker.
 
Osnabrueck said:
Ha! Look man... we drove the new XK last week and I can tell you one thing - it's about as tight as stick of warm string cheese. To intimate that BMW "has some kind of problem" with their 6er is sheer nonsense. If you believe this stuff, then you're taking some cheap marketing bait, hook, line and sinker.



Well, we all have our opinions but if I see more than two or three reviews about body flex issues from journalists and testers that sufficient enough to raise my eye-brows on any sort of negative issue. I`m not easily bated by problems like these but if the issue stands out, it should be addressed I believe.
 
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GTA7.5 said:
Well, we all have our opinions but if I see more than two or three reviews about body flex issues from journalists and testers that sufficient enough to raise my eye-brows on any sort of negative issue. I`m not easily bated by problems like these but if the issue stands out, it should be addressed I believe.


why? Its not risking the drivers and apparently a normal driver cant feel it. The only way to feel it I guess is if you pushing the car really hard on a track but for daily-use and on the streets noone will notice it and there the owners will spend their time .

sorry to say this but it sounds like you are trying to bash BMW by mention this, its almost like you are trying to find flaws. You are paying too much attention on this.
 
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Just_me said:
sorry to say this but it sounds like you are trying to bash BMW by mention this, its almost like you are trying to find flaws. You are paying too much attention on this.



No, not my point at all. It`s quit clear that my point is if two or more reviews
are talking note on an negative issue,(thats any negative issue) there has to be a problem there.
 
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GTA7.5 said:
No, not my point at all. It`s quit clear that my point is if two or more reviews
are talking note on an negative issue,(thats any negative issue) there has to be a problem there.


and I diasagree, not problem at all. But of course you wish its so ;)

Im reading a lot of carboards on internet and I have never seen or read any complaints on body-flex and that being a reason not to buy one.
You saw NSL, he actually own a 6er Cabriolet and he havent felt any body-flexs. Its obvious its not a problem for the owners and its not dangerous enough to make any recalls.

Let it go GTA, at least not use it as an argument for not buying a 6er Cabriolet. That's completely absurd.
 
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Just_me said:
and I diasagree, not problem at all. But of course you wish its so ;)

Let it go GTA, at least not use it as an argument for not buying a 6er Cabriolet. That's completely absurd.



You almost make it sound like the 6er and I are in a boxing ring, you being my coach at the end of the match telling me your ready to drop the towel.:t-hihi:

Ok, drop the towel after this read, my last post on the matter.

http://www.palmspringslife.com/media/Palm-Springs-Life/May-2005/Wheels/
 
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GTA7.5 said:
You almost make it sound like the 6er and I are in a boxing ring, you being my coach at the end of the match telling me your ready to drop the towel.:t-hihi:

Ok, drop the towel after this read, my last post on the matter.

http://www.palmspringslife.com/media/Palm-Springs-Life/May-2005/Wheels/

OMG Give it up GTA. You posting all these links are ridiculous.

It's not dangerous for the drivers or the passengers, its not a major problem and not worth doing any recalls. Buyers wont notice bodyflex when they drive their cabriolets and its a silly reason for not choosing a 6er. Those articles wont scare them away. Bimmers are still handling excellent. Yes, apparently their is a little bodyflex but its not a big deal and noone died because of it. You are making it like its a problem when its infact not.

You read too much, what matters is what the owners think and how the car is to live with and not what carjournalists write in their reviews.
GTA we know you dont like to see BMW doing so well and we know you are a huge MB fanatic but please stop the crusade against BMW. If you want to complain on BMW find anything else, something thats really is a problem for BMW. The body-flex debate is just silly. Throw the towel and move on.
 

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