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Aventador vs GT3 RS 4.0 vs MP4-12C vs Ferrari 599 GTO. Can't wait to read the results. Mafalda, pleeeaaaase, when does it hit the shelves ? 
Quattroruote Club 4 Secondi 2011: this will be a fight !!!
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Quattroruote 11/2011 - Club 4 secondi 2011
Ferrari 599 GTO: 1,626 Kgs
Aventador LP700-4: 1,797 Kgs
McLaren MP4-12C: 1,464 Kgs
Porsche 997 GT3RS: 1,388 Kgs
Top speed Kph:
599 GTO: 335.661 @ 8,200rpm VI
Aventador: 342.143 Kph @ 7,550rpm VII
MP4-12C: 333.169 @ 7,900rpm VI
GT3 RS 4.0: 307.541 @ 8,250rpm VI
Acceleration Kph (599 GTO - Aventador - MP4-12C - GT3 RS)
0 - 60: 2.01s - 1.52s - 1.83s - 1.95s
0-100: 3.79s - 2.89s - 3.18s - 3.84s
0-200: 10.21s - 8.96 - 9.05 - 11.70s
0-250: 16.21s - 14.42s - 14.80s - 20.03s
¼ mile and 1 Km:
599 GTO: 11.46s @ 213.16 Kph - 20.24s @ 271.54 Kph
Aventador: 10.58s @ 216.18 Kph - 19.18s @ 278.94 Kph
MP4-12C: 10.77s @ 216.37 Kph - 19.44s @ 271.60 Kph
GT3 RS 4.0: 11.77s @ 200.45 Kph - 21.21s @ 250.26 Kph
BRAKES (599 GTO - Aventador - MP4-12C - GT3 RS)
100-0: 38.6m (-1.02g) - 38.5m (-1.02g) - 39.2m (-1.00g) - 37.5m (-1.05m)
200-0: 136.5m (-1.15g) - 140.6m (-1.12g) - 135.1m (-1.16g) - 133.2m (-1.18g)
Results:
Cockpit (50)(seat, steering wheel, gear commands etc):
46 - 43 - 45 - 45
Engine (100) (power - rideability - progressiveness, sound)
100 - 84 - 88 - 89
Gearbox (50): 43 - 39 - 48 - 29
Brakes (100): 89 - 91 - 100 - 100
BEHAVIOR (200):
Steer: 49 - 43 - 48 - 46
Ride low speed: 50 - 35 - 50 - 50
Ride high speed: 25 - 49 - 49 - 45
Traction: 26 - 50 - 45 - 45
OVERALL (500): 428 - 434 - 473- 449
Performances (500): 260 - 444 - 398 - 226
FINAL RESULTS (1,000): 688 - 878 - 871 - 675
Vairano Handling:
1.13:860 - 124.78 Kph - Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 NEW LAP RECORD
1.14:815 - 123.18 kph - McLaren MP4-12C
1.16:087 - 121.12 Kph - Ferrari 599 GTO
1.16:389 - 120.65 Kph - Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 500ps
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Comments:
- 599: "The best power/weight ratio in test, more than 100 Kgs lighter than GTB.
poor final result cause bad traction and not easy setup. It has no understeer, as like as a mid engine supercar.
GTO does its best with -CT off-, but with -ESP on-. in straghit, GTO lose the match @ start cause "poor traction" (poor compared with the others).
on track, setup is not for all. it's amazing cause no understeer, but throttle and steering must be calibrated carefully, otherwise you can go off track. the laptime "don't give justice" to the GTO.
steering very quick, fantastic engine and gearbox!"
-Aventador: ...the 1st 0-100 under 3s!!
It's "another planet" than "mother Murci" and "grandmonther Diablo" because, finally, the rearside has less inertia. in "corsa mode" has a great setup. gearshift requires addiction, because it is really violent! Very safety, don't do its best in the slowest part of the track, but the great engine and AWD give you an hand to "exit". It's heavy, but you'll forget it soon".
- MP4-12C: " very good cockpit, everything is designed with rationality, for lightweight and perfect balance.
reactive steer, fantastic brakes. the engine push strongly, has "less passion", but it is very funny. impressive 100-200: 5.87s, 0.2s faster than Aventador! MP4-12C wins in the first part of the report card, thanks to an exceptional driveability.
on track, setup is fantastic, and the engine has an exciting stretch. but not enough to beat the Aventador"
- GT3: "nothing superfluous, no soundproofing materials, nor the A/C (!!). "born on track, and never went away"
manual gearbox is slower but lighter than DCT. multilink gives you a lot of faith, rear-engine gives monstre-traction.
GT3 exalts the gentlemen-drivers. than the others, has "few" hp and manual transmission gives great satisfaction, but is slower. extraordinary brakes!"
...my comments
- 599: about final resuls, 599 GTO pays very hard the traction: 26/50, and 260/500 @ performaces, despite, after 100 Kph is very fast: 100-271.5 just 0.2s slower than Mp4
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about laptime just 0.8s better than 599 GTB. reading the article, seems the GTO can do better, but be hard when you "approach to the limit" is just an explanation, not a justification.
- Avetador: mostre performances, monstre laptime, best overall. only disappointment about the weight, very high (the Lambo claims the same weight of Murci SV, but it's higher)
- MP4: no trace about troubles seen in other tests, or even "cold and clinical". finally seems ok.
Mc confirms the astonishing performance, especially up to 200 Kph
. over, is a "a bit less astonishing" (maybe cause quit-high drag".
great laptime, but non so "fantastic". just 0.3s better than the 458 MY10. I believed it'd, at least, undermine the Gallardo SL 570ps
- GT3: hard to do better with "only" 500ps and manual transmission.
thanks to exist!
Ferrari 599 GTO: 1,626 Kgs
Aventador LP700-4: 1,797 Kgs
McLaren MP4-12C: 1,464 Kgs
Porsche 997 GT3RS: 1,388 Kgs
Top speed Kph:
599 GTO: 335.661 @ 8,200rpm VI
Aventador: 342.143 Kph @ 7,550rpm VII
MP4-12C: 333.169 @ 7,900rpm VI
GT3 RS 4.0: 307.541 @ 8,250rpm VI
Acceleration Kph (599 GTO - Aventador - MP4-12C - GT3 RS)
0 - 60: 2.01s - 1.52s - 1.83s - 1.95s
0-100: 3.79s - 2.89s - 3.18s - 3.84s
0-200: 10.21s - 8.96 - 9.05 - 11.70s
0-250: 16.21s - 14.42s - 14.80s - 20.03s
¼ mile and 1 Km:
599 GTO: 11.46s @ 213.16 Kph - 20.24s @ 271.54 Kph
Aventador: 10.58s @ 216.18 Kph - 19.18s @ 278.94 Kph
MP4-12C: 10.77s @ 216.37 Kph - 19.44s @ 271.60 Kph
GT3 RS 4.0: 11.77s @ 200.45 Kph - 21.21s @ 250.26 Kph
BRAKES (599 GTO - Aventador - MP4-12C - GT3 RS)
100-0: 38.6m (-1.02g) - 38.5m (-1.02g) - 39.2m (-1.00g) - 37.5m (-1.05m)
200-0: 136.5m (-1.15g) - 140.6m (-1.12g) - 135.1m (-1.16g) - 133.2m (-1.18g)
Results:
Cockpit (50)(seat, steering wheel, gear commands etc):
46 - 43 - 45 - 45
Engine (100) (power - rideability - progressiveness, sound)
100 - 84 - 88 - 89
Gearbox (50): 43 - 39 - 48 - 29
Brakes (100): 89 - 91 - 100 - 100
BEHAVIOR (200):
Steer: 49 - 43 - 48 - 46
Ride low speed: 50 - 35 - 50 - 50
Ride high speed: 25 - 49 - 49 - 45
Traction: 26 - 50 - 45 - 45
OVERALL (500): 428 - 434 - 473- 449
Performances (500): 260 - 444 - 398 - 226
FINAL RESULTS (1,000): 688 - 878 - 871 - 675
Vairano Handling:
1.13:860 - 124.78 Kph - Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 NEW LAP RECORD
1.14:815 - 123.18 kph - McLaren MP4-12C
1.16:087 - 121.12 Kph - Ferrari 599 GTO
1.16:389 - 120.65 Kph - Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 500ps
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Comments:
- 599: "The best power/weight ratio in test, more than 100 Kgs lighter than GTB.
poor final result cause bad traction and not easy setup. It has no understeer, as like as a mid engine supercar.
GTO does its best with -CT off-, but with -ESP on-. in straghit, GTO lose the match @ start cause "poor traction" (poor compared with the others).
on track, setup is not for all. it's amazing cause no understeer, but throttle and steering must be calibrated carefully, otherwise you can go off track. the laptime "don't give justice" to the GTO.
steering very quick, fantastic engine and gearbox!"
-Aventador: ...the 1st 0-100 under 3s!!
It's "another planet" than "mother Murci" and "grandmonther Diablo" because, finally, the rearside has less inertia. in "corsa mode" has a great setup. gearshift requires addiction, because it is really violent! Very safety, don't do its best in the slowest part of the track, but the great engine and AWD give you an hand to "exit". It's heavy, but you'll forget it soon".
- MP4-12C: " very good cockpit, everything is designed with rationality, for lightweight and perfect balance.
reactive steer, fantastic brakes. the engine push strongly, has "less passion", but it is very funny. impressive 100-200: 5.87s, 0.2s faster than Aventador! MP4-12C wins in the first part of the report card, thanks to an exceptional driveability.
on track, setup is fantastic, and the engine has an exciting stretch. but not enough to beat the Aventador"
- GT3: "nothing superfluous, no soundproofing materials, nor the A/C (!!). "born on track, and never went away"
manual gearbox is slower but lighter than DCT. multilink gives you a lot of faith, rear-engine gives monstre-traction.
GT3 exalts the gentlemen-drivers. than the others, has "few" hp and manual transmission gives great satisfaction, but is slower. extraordinary brakes!"
...my comments
- 599: about final resuls, 599 GTO pays very hard the traction: 26/50, and 260/500 @ performaces, despite, after 100 Kph is very fast: 100-271.5 just 0.2s slower than Mp4
.about laptime just 0.8s better than 599 GTB. reading the article, seems the GTO can do better, but be hard when you "approach to the limit" is just an explanation, not a justification.
- Avetador: mostre performances, monstre laptime, best overall. only disappointment about the weight, very high (the Lambo claims the same weight of Murci SV, but it's higher)
- MP4: no trace about troubles seen in other tests, or even "cold and clinical". finally seems ok.
Mc confirms the astonishing performance, especially up to 200 Kph
. over, is a "a bit less astonishing" (maybe cause quit-high drag".great laptime, but non so "fantastic". just 0.3s better than the 458 MY10. I believed it'd, at least, undermine the Gallardo SL 570ps
- GT3: hard to do better with "only" 500ps and manual transmission.
thanks to exist!
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GTo - 0-60 2.0s????
Italy = Kph
0-100 / 200 / 250 / 0-400m
599 GTO
3.79 / 10.21 / 16.21 / 11.46
Aventador
2.89 / 8.96 / 14.42 / 10.58
MP4-12C
3.1(5)? / 9.05 / 14.60 / 10.77
GT3 RS 4.0
3.84 / 11.70 / 20.03 / 11.77
MP4 pretty much as fast as Aventador to 155mph and slightly quicker from 60-124mph.
599 GTO
3.79 / 10.21 / 16.21 / 11.46
Aventador
2.89 / 8.96 / 14.42 / 10.58
MP4-12C
3.1(5)? / 9.05 / 14.60 / 10.77
GT3 RS 4.0
3.84 / 11.70 / 20.03 / 11.77
MP4 pretty much as fast as Aventador to 155mph and slightly quicker from 60-124mph.
Freni = Brakes. MP4-12C - 100 points. Sometimes these reviews make no sense unless they've already fixed the brakes.
Comportamento = Behaviour. MP4-12C - 192 points (highest). Again, very strange, given previous reviews. So much for subjectivity.
Cambio (Volo Complessivo) = Change (Total Flight)
Potenza = Power
Guidabilita = Guidability?????
Progressione = Progression
Sonorita = Sound????
Brake performance was far closer to GT3 RS 4.0 in this test. On a couple of metres in the 200-0, wheres I think Sport Auto had something nearer 20 in the difference.
Comportamento = Behaviour. MP4-12C - 192 points (highest). Again, very strange, given previous reviews. So much for subjectivity.
Cambio (Volo Complessivo) = Change (Total Flight)
Potenza = Power
Guidabilita = Guidability?????
Progressione = Progression
Sonorita = Sound????
Brake performance was far closer to GT3 RS 4.0 in this test. On a couple of metres in the 200-0, wheres I think Sport Auto had something nearer 20 in the difference.
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maybe is a MP2 "MY12"
ABOUT BRAKES: very strange they give 100/100. Mp4 has the worst 100-0 (means poor reactivicty, measure starts when the feet touches the pedal)). Also, the very good 200-0 means brakes are powerful.
Mp4 seems the best handler, best brakes (wiyh GT3) and best gearbox
GTO has best cockpit, seat and commands, and best engine
Lambo monstre-performances
Mc can fight Vs lambo 60-200 thanks, I think, the lightweight (Mc 250 kph is 14.80, not 14.6)
I think you're right, it is 14.80, the 6s are a different shape. Still less than a tenth in it from 60-250kph.maybe is a MP2 "MY12"
ABOUT BRAKES: very strange they give 100/100. Mp4 has the worst 100-0 (means poor reactivicty, measure starts when the feet touches the pedal)). Also, the very good 200-0 means brakes are powerful.
Mp4 seems the best handler, best brakes (wiyh GT3) and best gearbox
GTO has best cockpit, seat and commands, and best engine
Lambo monstre-performances
Mc can fight Vs lambo 60-200 thanks, I think, the lightweight (Mc 250 kph is 14.80, not 14.6)
Which bit rates the handling? The lap data looks okay for the MP4 but I think they messed up turn 8. MP4 seems to be 10kph off the field at that point. It's also interesting how the g and speed data don't match.
What track is that?
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Tomorrow the magazine'll be in my hands, and I'll post... ALL
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At that point we can talk about Ferrari media manipulation? I think not.
Regarding the GTO results compared the old GTB tested by the same mag and the Aventador's weight, the MP4 results compared the same as the 458, Lambo and Mecca's results seems to be optimistic.
The old 599 was a 655 hp car, and we talked yet about it. The GTO is not too much powerful considering weight and gearbox setting.
It seems the Lambo with a powerful engine considering the 1831 kgs verified by AMS. 0-300 in high 24 compared 29.9 for the fastest GTB. The Lambo's km speed trap and partial times are fast. It is a udge difference compared the GTO engine and weight. Also the Mecca is faster than the "close" 600 hp 458 Italia tested. It gain 1.1s in the 100-250 kmh over the suspect 458. If 458's results were suspects for a 570hp engine, also these are for 600hp. Or, in these cases we should not think that?
Regarding the GTO results compared the old GTB tested by the same mag and the Aventador's weight, the MP4 results compared the same as the 458, Lambo and Mecca's results seems to be optimistic.
The old 599 was a 655 hp car, and we talked yet about it. The GTO is not too much powerful considering weight and gearbox setting.
It seems the Lambo with a powerful engine considering the 1831 kgs verified by AMS. 0-300 in high 24 compared 29.9 for the fastest GTB. The Lambo's km speed trap and partial times are fast. It is a udge difference compared the GTO engine and weight. Also the Mecca is faster than the "close" 600 hp 458 Italia tested. It gain 1.1s in the 100-250 kmh over the suspect 458. If 458's results were suspects for a 570hp engine, also these are for 600hp. Or, in these cases we should not think that?
Again with the media manipulation paranoia?At that point we can talk about Ferrari media manipulation? I think not.
The old 599 was a 670 hp car, and we talked yet about it. The GTO is not too much powerful considering weight and gearbox setting.
It seems the Lambo with a powerful engine considering the 1831 kgs verified by AMS. 0-300 in high 24 compared 29.9 for the fastest GTB. The Lambo's km speed trap and partial times are fast. It is a udge difference compared the GTO engine and weight. Also the Mecca is faster than the "close" 600 hp 458 Italia tested. If 458's results were suspects for a 570hp engine, also these are for 600hp. Or, in these cases we should not think that?
Nobody here ever said Ferrari manipulates every test. Though we might expect the GTO to be much faster considering the power and reduced weight. What we don't know, pending a supertest, is the effect on drag of GTO, which claims more downforce than the GTB. In cases of customer Ferrari vs press/factory Ferrari, we should expect close to identical levels of drag/downforce.
With regard to the McLaren, it's quite possible the MP4-12C sent is very strong. The key will be: How does it compare to a customer McLaren? Will McLaren intervene if a customer car is used? These are questions yet to be answered. I think if you want to claim McLaren have been manipulating media results, you might be right too.
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