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458 wins the test (just like every comparison with MP4-12C from UK mags so far). 458 also beats MP4-12C on the track.


Just some initial info from the test :

Full test, 5 drivers, 5 days, 6 cars, 1000 miles and a track. (quite a mixture of cars)
MP4 12C
458 Italia
Merc SLS
911 Turbo S
Ford GT
Noble M600

To cut 35 page report to the final decision. Overall - Best car 458. Also scoring 5 out of 5 - SLS, GT, Noble, 4 out of 5 911 and MP4.

Standing start:
0-30 1st 911, 2nd MP4, 3rd 458
0-60 1st MP4, 2nd 911, 3rd 458
0-100 1st MP4, 2nd joint 911 and 458

Track Times - Now here is the shock!!! - Bedford Autodrome.
1st 458 - 1.19.3
2nd MP4 - 1.20.6

MP4 support team then fitted corsa tyres - still second - 1.19.6

McLaren sent full complement of engineers for the track test - more than Ferrari did according to the article.

MP4 weight as tested with Carbon brakes (IRIS not functional) - 1433 kg
458 weight as tested - 1469kg

General comment, no tester chose MP4 as favourite, MP4 great to drive at 5/10th's with perfect ride and muted sound and also great at 10/10 th's with all it's technology, but most importantly not rewarding between these ranges where most of the time these cars will be driven for spirited road driving. Brakes slated (carbon), seems similar to Merc SLR, all or nothing with no feel. Seems that at normal fast road speeds the car doesn't manage to respond to the road surface - 'suddenly feels all at sea, with only moderate loadings to deal with, the strange Citroen like ride reactions are back and the chassis feels out of tune with road' - perhaps more fine tuning needed.
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458 test weight is strange despite Ferrari now offering a lot more CF options than before. But anyway, all McLaren fans find MP4-12C results (track time) disappointing. It is not much faster than GT3 RS and could not beat 458 (tuned or not) despite being considerably faster in the straight line. Rumoured Nordschleife time of 7:00 now seems impossible.

Looking forward to another big comparo in Car magazine. Results are allegedly shocking. 458 beating MP4-12C again ?
 
source?? scans? full results?!?!?!?
some considerations:
3.Ferrari 458 Italia1:19.30 131'09570 / 1540EVO (Pilot SS)
4.Gumpert Apollo Sport1:19.40 131'07700 / 1200Evo Magazine
5.Caterham Super Seven RST V8-Levante1:19.60 131'08507 / 520EVO "How fast" featu6.McLaren MP4-12C1:19.60 131'10600 / 1434EVO (Pzero Corsa)
7.Porsche 997 GT2 RS1:19.90 130'10620 / 1370EVO Magazine
8.Caterham R5001:20.20 130'08263 / 506EVO Magazine9.Ferrari 458 Italia1:20.30 130'09570 / 1540Pilot S210.McLaren MP4-12C1:20.60 (Pzero)

- latest 458 I've just read is tested with Pilot Super Sport : 1s better than PS2 is ok, I think
- Mp4 missed the 458 with standard tyres too :eusa_doh: I cannot belive it.... :confused:
- I think teh weight is a TYPO, cause the 458 was already tested with full CF optional @ 1530 Kg...

emve said:
"MP4 support team then fitted corsa tyres - still second - 1.19.6

McLaren sent full complement of engineers for the track test - more than Ferrari did according to the article."
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ths is the ROTFL part of the article... comments from C. Harris...?:eusa_danc
 
It has appeared on numerous web forums today, for example here : Evo Group Test M600 / 458 / MP4-12C??

Yes, Pilot Super Sport explain the improvement from former 1:20,3 Italia time.

458 - 1:19.3 (Michelin Pilot Super Sport)
458 - 1:20.3 (Michelin Pilot Sport K1)

MP4-12C - 1:20.6 (Pirelli P Zero)
MP4-12C - 1:19.6 (Pirelli P Zero Corsa)

Noble M600 - 1:20.8 (?)

Waiting for more info. I have only found MP4-12C 1/4mile time :

MP4-12C - 10.8s@131mph (P Zero)

Indicating 0-200km/h in 9,6-9,7s. Way off from official claim of 9,1s.

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Wow, can't believe it! I have to delete the rumored time in my sig. Pity Italia is the worst looking of all. If the "simple" Italia can beat the "high-tech" MP4-12C what then about the Italia replacer? Also getting turob by the way?

The 458 Scuderia is going then to be the best trackcar ever.
 
Just_me said:
I've said it several times in other threads. Ferrari 458 is the sportscar to have.
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I have to agree.

Somehow I knew the Macca won't be that über-fast and über-sensational as many predictions told us... it is surely a great supercar, but that's all.
I know they made one of the best supercars on Earth (the F1), but times have changed. Now that title belongs to the 458. IMO.
 
^Sensational car for trackdays. The Italia however fits perfectly with tracks and public roads as well.
 
For me now, the MP4-12C raw performance figures are disapointing. In another way I also like it, because this proves to ALL, that naturally aspirated engines are the best.
However, concerning the 458 Italia results I find them strange, because at the beginning I was disapointed by them. The Italia was rumoured to run the N-Ring under 7:30 min, but ended up with a 7:38 min, as fast a an SLS AMG, and an LFA, 1 sec faster than the Scuderia (7:39 min) and 5 seconds slower than the 911 GT3 RS (7:33 min).
And now, what if we fir the SLS AMG with the new Michelin Pilot SuperSport?

911 GT3 RS 4.0 is best drivers car, end of the story, until the new 458 Scuderia comes out. But the there will also be the new 911 GT3 (991), better than ever. There is also the Aventador that at the moment chose nearly the same to maybe slightly better performance figures. Interesting to see how it will turn out, also for the 599 replacement. Ferrari has now a very tough task.
 
Levi68 said:
For me now, the MP4-12C raw performance figures are disapointing. In another way I also like it, because this proves to ALL, that naturally aspirated engines are the best.
However, concerning the 458 Italia results I find them strange, because at the beginning I was disapointed by them. The Italia was rumoured to run the N-Ring under 7:30 min, but ended up with a 7:38 min, as fast a an SLS AMG, and an LFA, 1 sec faster than the Scuderia (7:39 min) and 5 seconds slower than the 911 GT3 RS (7:33 min).And now, what if we fir the SLS AMG with the new Michelin Pilot SuperSport?

911 GT3 RS 4.0 is best drivers car, end of the story, until the new 458 Scuderia comes out. But the there will also be the new 911 GT3 (991), better than ever. There is also the Aventador that at the moment chose nearly the same to maybe slightly better performance figures. Interesting to see how it will turn out, also for the 599 replacement. Ferrari has now a very tough task.
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1. I agree about your disapointing
2. Autobild showed us how the 458 can do better than Sport Auto
 
Mafalda said:
latest 458 I've just read is tested with Pilot Super Sport : 1s better than PS2 is ok, I think
- Mp4 missed the 458 with standard tyres too :eusa_doh: I cannot belive it.... :confused:
- I think teh weight is a TYPO, cause the 458 was already tested with full CF optional @ 1530 Kg...

ths is the ROTFL part of the article... comments from C. Harris...?:eusa_danc
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PS2 were already a very highly rated tire. Comparable to a Cup+, according to C&D talking about OEM fitments.
Evo are usually pretty good about vehicle weights. I doubt that is a typo, but a review of the text may confirm.
Chris Harris's claim was that Ferrari sends a team for track tests, and this further proves that. Only this time, McLaren sent one too as I'm sure that would put things on a more even footing.
McLaren would not have released the MP4-12C unless they were absolutely certain their car could beat the 458 which they've bought for benchmarking. So the question remains: Which 458 did McLaren purchase for benchmarking? One that rolls off the production line, or one similar to a press/factory car maintained by Ferrari?

So much for the claim that Evo/Harris hate Ferrari and are out to put Ferrari in a bad light to boost McLaren exposure.

Also, great to see the Ford GT not only being included, but also rating highly even within this company.
 
Guibo said:
PS2 were already a very highly rated tire. Comparable to a Cup+, according to C&D talking about OEM fitments.
Evo are usually pretty good about vehicle weights. I doubt that is a typo, but a review of the text may confirm.
Chris Harris's claim was that Ferrari sends a team for track tests, and this further proves that. Only this time, McLaren sent one too as I'm sure that would put things on a more even footing.
McLaren would not have released the MP4-12C unless they were absolutely certain their car could beat the 458 which they've bought for benchmarking. So the question remains: Which 458 did McLaren purchase for benchmarking? One that rolls off the production line, or one similar to a press/factory car maintained by Ferrari?So much for the claim that Evo/Harris hate Ferrari and are out to put Ferrari in a bad light to boost McLaren exposure.

Also, great to see the Ford GT not only being included, but also rating highly even within this company.
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Ferrari (media manipulation) strikes back...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I really hope the customer-458 will "slower" than official as like as the 430S and Enzo too ;)
 
Mafalda said:
Ferrari (media manipulation) strikes back...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I really hope the customer-458 will "slower" than official as like as the 4330S and Enzo too ;)
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I never said anything about a customer Enzo being slower.
The F430S test you're talking about has no relevance to this discussion. Different day, with possibly different conditions. I'd hope McLaren aren't so stupid as to test their benchmarked 458 against their development MP4-12C on different days, but seeing as how they've apparently blown 2 objective measures in 2 tests, it makes me wonder. As does the 458 (which in prior test had been slower than a GT3 RS before fettling, then faster after fettling), now being nearly 3s quicker on the Bedford track, even faster than the GT2 RS and Gumpert...

BTW, apparently none of the Evo testers picked the McLaren as their favorite car. What's this theory again about UK mags/Evo being biased against Ferrari and wanting to promote McLaren? Do you now accept that that theory was fairly preposterous?
 
You bastids spoilt my next issue of EVO for me good 'n solid. :)

But I'm grateful for the spoiler all the same. Just goes to show how much of a masterpiece the 458 actually is. Not only does it appear to be more than a match dynamically for the MP4-12C but it also puts it in the shade in terms of looks. Ferrari still know how to make the best supercars in their class, in the world.
 

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