Most Disliked Luxury Brand

Which do you dislike?


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Choleric

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Which brand do you dislike the most? For whatever reason...

Acura
Audi
BMW
Cadillac
Infiniti
Jaguar
Lexus
Mercedes-Benz
Porsche


(Did not include Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Rolls Royce, Bentley etc... since they just dont seem to be in the same category as these, maybe its the lack of SUV:D)
 
Mercedes-Benz! They're nothing compared to the almighty Lexus! It took Mercedes over 100 years to get where they are but Lexus did it in 20 years! :bowdown:






:D
 
Lexus.

Well I don't like them for 2 main reasons, they're so unoriginal and secondly their most ardent fans (not our Bruce though) are pretty much clueless about cars in general. I really can't stand that. This mainly applies to other boards like Edmunds and AutoSpies.

Interesting there is 1 vote for Acura.

I think we know which way this poll is going to go, Lexus by a landslide.


Infiniti is my favorite of the non-European brands. Love the G37 Coupe.


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Lexus if I had to "hate" one of them. Hate is such a strong word though.

Well I don't like them for 2 main reasons, they're so unoriginal and secondly their most ardent fans (not our Bruce though) are pretty much clueless about cars in general. I really can't stand that. This mainly applies to other boards like Edmunds and AutoSpies.

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And their cars are so overrated and not as well balanced as those of their competitors. :usa7uh:

Plus they tend to release so much "false marketing" with how their hybrids are green cars and fuel efficient (and when that didn't work they're all of a sudden performance cars...:t-crazy2:) and how they're the first to come out with this and that for the sake of ass-kissing clueless people with money.

I have no problems with Acura or Infiniti, mostly because their fans aren't as snobby or brainwashed as most Lexus fans I know. Furthermore Acura and Infiniti tend to do their own thing while Lexus tries to be so European.
 
I think people are going to confuse their dislike for fanboys and customers of certain brands for the brand it self. Why would anyone hate a brand? They all have something to offer - yes, even Lexus! It might not offer what you are looking for, but that is hardly grounds to hate them.

For me, with the exception of Porsche, BMW and couple of Audis (pretty much in that order), no one else in that list offers anything that I really care for, but that doesn't make me hate them.
 
I think people are going to confuse their dislike for fanboys and customers of certain brands for the brand it self. Why would anyone hate a brand? They all have something to offer - yes, even Lexus! It might not offer what you are looking for, but that is hardly grounds to hate them.

You know how in the old days people hated a brand because of the people who drove them? Mercedes and BMW are good examples. Some people, especially those who couldn't afford them, became envious of the people who drove them and resorted to bad-mouthing both owners and car or keying the car or ramming their door into the car at a supermarket parking lot etc.

It's the same with Lexus in my case. I dislike most of their fans because of all that BS they claim about other brands. THE FANS OF THIS BRAND MAKE ME DISLIKE THE BRAND. A few days ago I was watching a thread about the new E-Class on ClubLexus. Many members there complained about the analog clock in the E-Class dashboard to the left of the speedometer citing that digital clocks are so much better. Well, maybe a digital clock looks good in that boring and overrated GS interior, but an analog clock is a Mercedes tradition first of all and second, most European luxury cars still have analog clocks as it simply looks classier and more stately (and sporty too in some cases). In the minds of those Lexus fanatics, it's "old-fashioned / outdated / useless / gimmicky" because Lexus of course is the leader and innovator and everything that Lexus does is automatically the benchmark (sarcasm intended). :usa7uh:

Sure, there are some unbiased and objective Lexus fans out there that truly like Lexus but also respect other brands. Our very own Bruce is one of those people for example. RESPECT is the word I am looking for here. I dislike Lexus, but I also respect them because through them I know that the German brands got a wake-up-call and improved their offerings. ;)


My dislike for Lexus also comes from the fact that people give them way too much credit. Credit for what? Without Toyotas financial assistance Lexus would be a nobody. Lexus didn't have to survive two world wars and start from scratch like BMW and Mercedes (after WW2) for example. I always like to put it this way.

BMW and Mercedes are the kids that went to school and studied hard to get where they are in life. Lexus is the kid that came late to school and copied the homework from BMW and Mercedes to get where it is in life.

Get my analogy? Makes sense IMO.

Furthermore, what really pisses me off are those lame consumer prestige surveys where Porsche is ranked first and Lexus second before Mercedes and BMW. Lexus ahead of Mercedes and BMW? BMW and Mercedes have history, heritage, motorsport heritage, innovation, safety innovation, global appeal and classic cars - and Lexus, which has none of those things, ranks ahead of them? Huh? :t-crazy2:

Obviously the masses care about the final product and best value, but that doesn't make Lexus a prestigeous luxury brand in my opinion a la BMW or MB. Heritage and history define the prestige factor of a brand in most cases, especially in the luxury car sector. To me, a Lexus will always be a Toyota in disguise. I can still give credit where credit is due though. They are great cars for good value but they're far from perfect or as balanced as their European rivals.
 
I don't hate any of them,but I DO not want to see lexus selling many cars.
just me the M3 in your avatar looks like a compressed new 7er lol.
 
what a positive little poll you've got going here.

Hate is too strong a word for it ...but the new Acura TL is truly laughable.
 
what a positive little poll you've got going here.

Hate is too strong a word for it ...but the new Acura TL is truly laughable.

Just edited the topic title and replaced hated with disliked. :usa7uh:
 
^ he he ...OK then ......I didn't know you were still a moderator Chris.
 
Re: Most Hated Luxury Brand

I don't hate any of these brands.

True, Lexus fans are often very annoying, but it doesn't really matter to me: Lexus cars are excellent cars. Maybe not as perfect as some think they are, but very very good cars nonetheless. Easily the best Japanese luxury cars, miles away from Infinity and Acura. However they lack originality.

I also dislike what Porsche is becoming: the Cayenne is ugly as hell, with the V6 it is weak as hell... now in diesel it's just a nightmare. But who can hate the maker of the 911? The maker of the GT3? Certainly not me...


Mercedes-Benz... Well I absolutely adore the good old Merc, build like a tank to last at least one billion years, with true form follow function, German Bauhaus ethic.
But I don't like these modern Merc as much, excellent cars but with pretty average (for the premium market) finish and reliability... While the innovations and technical solutions remain impressive. But where is the famous over-engineering, the passion, the engineering sincerity?

So I hate Mr. Schrempp more than any other man in the automotive-business. Like Edzard Reuter (previous Daimler-Benz CEO) said,

"„Ich verachte Schrempp und Kopper dafür, dass sie die Kultur dieses Unternehmens auf den Hund gebracht haben. Die Gier wurde oberstes Gebot.“ „Ich wünsche bei Gott, dass Herr Zetsche und der Vorstand das wieder gutmachen.“

I despise Schrempp and Kopper because they threw the culture of the company to the dogs. The greed became the most important thing." "I pray God that M. Zetsche and the Board can fix this."

However, the latest Merc like the W221 and W204 seem to restore this ethic: they are thoroughly engineered, extremely reliable. Even the interior of the W204 is quite spartan, with materials that are not always "soft-touch", but is build to last... The whole feels extremely solid and well-built, it feels like a Merc again.

So i don't hate any of these brands, they all are offering excellent products. But I do Hate Schrempp for what he did to Mercedes-Benz.
 
Re: Most Hated Luxury Brand

I can't really decide between Acura and Cadillac. Acura is similar to Lexus but their rebadged luxury version of the original cars are even more hideous than what Lexus has done with the Toyota. We don't get Cadillac here in Australia, but IMO throwing heaps of leather and fake wood inside the car doesn't make it a true luxury brand.
 
Lexus easy...

Yes, it is the easy way out, of course. A Toyota with slightly better interior, an exterior combined from the German manufacturers and a psychotic fan base. What is there not to hate about this obvious display of megalomania. But still, in order to hate something, it has to have a personality. None of the cars Lexus have on offer today have any trace of personality...
 
Yes, it is the easy way out, of course. A Toyota with slightly better interior, an exterior combined from the German manufacturers and a psychotic fan base. What is there not to hate about this obvious display of megalomania. But still, in order to hate something, it has to have a personality. None of the cars Lexus have on offer today have any trace of personality...

Nicely said! However I can't agree.

Some of the cars Lexus make have nothing in common with a Toyota, and even if they are not the most original and charismatic cars out there, it's not to deny that they fullfill their jobs admirably: being luxurious, well-equipped, silent, comfortable, and reliable. They're maybe not cars for enthusiastic car-lover and-knower, but they are excellent cars nonetheless.

The biggest reproach is the "psychotic fanbase", but... this can be said for some other brands, including a famous German one with a white and blue logo... Or maybe the aggressive and deceiving marketing.

That said, it is true that from all these brands, the one I like the less is I think Lexus, because I perceive them as a copycat-brand without original philosophy. Only thing they could find to differentiate themselves from their model is to be "more silent"... Big deal... And now it is the hybrid trend, however poorly applied to Lexus (no load capacity, no boot, unimpressive mpg).

But I feel sorry for Cadillac, seeing where they are now and where they were... From a shiny and all-daring symbol of the allmighty America to a glorified Opel...

I can't understand Acura and Infinity, as they generally are inferior in all points to the European rivals... A Lexus is a much more convincing offer for me.

Jaguar... is facing uncertain times, and has fallen of its pedestal long ago. The XF is attractive, but seems very poorly finished...

So, even if I don't like Lexus, it would probably be the only brand I would consider if I had to buy a non-German luxury sedan...
 
I'm surprised Acura is getting so many votes considering it is sold only the U.S.

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I've said it before I'll say it again, a Lexus can't be beat at providing non-descript, quiet, safe, reliable, sedate transportation from point A to B. This applies to their core models, the ES, RX and LS. There are no wear-out-fast low-profile tires to deal with, no bent rims, no one-sided tires that can't be rotated, a sedate ride as any old-school Cadillac and to top it off, the best overall dealership experience around.

Lexus' current sales problem in the U.S. is a combination of a weak market and more imporantly an aging product lineup, not because people don't want their cars all of a sudden.

Quality will always sell to some degree, no matter how "un-hip" it may be.


Still can't stand Lexus though!


M
 

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