Vs BMW 745d vs Mercedes S420 CDI vs Lexus LS600h

[cawimmer430]

Ree will hopefully post the scans soon. I'm about to go to Oktoberfest!

Anyway:

1st Place: Mercedes S420 CDI (522/650)
The benchmark in this class. High quality comfort and easy to use controls. Strong and fuel efficient.

2nd Place: BMW 745d (503/650)
The BMW is the oldest in this group. Compared to the S-Class it is outperformed in most criteria. Fuel efficient engine.

3rd Place: Lexus LS600h (462/650)
The refinement and power of the hybrid are impressive. The comfort and braking qualities on the other hand don't touch those of the competition.


In overall driving, the diesel-powered Germans were more fuel efficient than the Lexus particularly in mixed driving which included city, country roads and highway.

Only in city driving did the Lexus win (9.8 L / 100 km vs 12.1 (BMW) and 11.6 (Mercedes)). Advantage? Hybrid.

On the Autobahn at 180 km/h, the Lexus needed 24.5 L / 100 km, the BMW 16.6 L / 100 km and the Mercedes 15.4 L / 100 km. Advantage? Diesel.

Range wise, the Lexus needs to refuel after 661 km, BMW after 815 km and the Mercedes after 841 km.



The Lexus LS600h also placed last because its trunk volume space is a laughable 325 liters (that's in the same class as the BMW 3-Series, C-Class etc.). The BMW 745d had a 500 liter trunk, the Mercedes even boasted a 560 liter trunk and the most payload capacity as well.

Performance wise, all cars were clocked from 0-100 km/h in 6.8 seconds. At higher speeds, the Lexus pulls away from the diesel competition by as much as 4 seconds.

The Lexus is pretty quiet until 160 km/h. Past that, it was measured to be louder than the BMW and Mercedes.

 

[Zafiro]

Im not 100% sure but I think 745d produce 330hp and 750 nm. Thats one hell of diesel engine, too bad the rest of the car isnt as impressing. Next 7er cant come soon enough.

 

[Centurion]

I'm not surprised to see the LS600h getting beaten in fuel efficiency. Hybrid is great but a complete waste if you don't regularly drive in places with heavy congestion. Overall diesel is the best choice.

 

[Tarek]

325l trunck space in a large excutive? is lexus for real?

 

[Zafiro]

what are the engine specs (HP/NM) for S420 and LS600?

 

[klier]

what are the engine specs (HP/NM) for S420 and LS600?

S420 CDI: 320 hp, 730 Nm

745d: 330 hp, 700 Nm

LS600h: I have no idea how the hell this works. The V8 has 394 hp and 520 Nm. The electric engine has 225 hp, 300 Nm. Combined power is supposed to be 445 hp.

 

[Zafiro]

S420 CDI: 320 hp, 730 Nm

745d: 330 hp, 700 Nm

LS600h: I have no idea how the hell this works. The V8 has 394 hp and 520 Nm. The electric engine has 225 hp, 300 Nm. Combined power is supposed to be 445 hp.

Thanks but correct number for 745d is : 750nm

First officiall was 300hp/700nm but changed after the competition revelad their diesels engines...so its 330hp/750nm.

With maximum output of 242 kW/330 hp and peak torque of 750 Nm/553 lb-ft, the BMW 745d remains the diesel luxury saloon with the highest power and torque. ..

 

[bmer]

klier, your 745d torque figure is wrong. It's actually 750 Nm.

Edit: Andreas was faster. LOL

 

[Kowalski]

325l trunck space in a large excutive? is lexus for real?

The 5-door Ford Mondeo Hatchback has a bigger boot than that. And the Mondeo is just a mere mass-produced repmobile.

 

[Merc1]

Where is this comparo from?

M

 

[Zafiro]

Where is this comparo from?

M

I say this is Auto motor und sport (AMS). Caw favorite german carmag.

 

[cawimmer430]

325l trunck space in a large excutive? is lexus for real?

The hybrid system is the reason the trunk is so small. And that's a nail in the coffin for Lexus in Europe because Europeans like to take their BMW 7er or MB S-Class on family vacations. The lack of a trunk space and superior payload capacity means the LS600h won't be a very appealing car. Plus, if you don't live in the city, the LS600h's fuel economy advantage is lost. For European style driving, the LS600h won't deliver good fuel economy at all.

 

[cawimmer430]

Where is this comparo from?

M

Auto Motor und Sport. I will scan the review tomorrow.

 

[cawimmer430]

Caw favorite german carmag.

Because they always pick Mercedes over BMW!!!

 

[DeDe]

Auto Motor und Sport. I will scan the review tomorrow.

Great news! Will you scan the first drive of the 997 GT2, btw?

 

[Tarek]

The hybrid system is the reason the trunk is so small. And that's a nail in the coffin for Lexus in Europe because Europeans like to take their BMW 7er or MB S-Class on family vacations. The lack of a trunk space and superior payload capacity means the LS600h won't be a very appealing car. Plus, if you don't live in the city, the LS600h's fuel economy advantage is lost. For European style driving, the LS600h won't deliver good fuel economy at all.

That's explains everything,man i don't like hybrids already

 

[ree]

Your're right Christian! I got a WLAN connection faster then I first thougt. So, I will scan the article today or tomorrow! Thanks for the summary.

 

[ree]

So, here are the scans...

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I really like the interior combination of the 7-series, but the S-Class interior is great, too (Although it isn't a Designo interior)!

 

[Bruce]

Thanks for the scans ree!

 

[ree]

Thanks for the scans ree!

You're welcome Bruce!! I'm glad, that I am back!

I was wondering myself, that AMS didn't mention the LED lights of the Lexus in the article.