E-Class Next E-class on a Severe Diet


The Mercedes-Benz E-Class is a range of executive cars manufactured by Mercedes-Benz in various engine and body configurations. Produced since September 1953, the E-Class falls as a midrange in the Mercedes line-up, and has been marketed worldwide across five generations.

Mr. Mercedes

Premium
Next E-Class on severe diet: Benz development boss


The next-generation Mercedes E-Class is due in 2016, weighing anywhere up to 200kg less than the current model

The head of Mercedes-Benz Cars Development reckons engineers can conservatively knock 100kg off the kerb mass of each new generation of car they develop.

To illustrate how that will pan out, Thomas Weber cited the next generation of the company's mid-size E-Class sedan when he spoke with motoring.com.au during the Frankfurt motor show last week.

"With the upcoming new E-Class — that's the new E-Class in 2016 — we will set ourselves a target to reduce the weight, comparable to the E-Class today by a magnitude of 150 to 200 kilos."

Currently, the automotive industry is going through a transitional period in vehicle development — and that's particularly true of prestige car manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz. Weber says that his company has halted the apparently endless cycle of weight gain in each new generation of product as new safety measures took their toll.

"Year by year we added weight to the car," he said, but environmental concerns in recent years have driven the car companies to compensate for the weight gain. If one could graph the progress made in materials technology against the impact of mandated safety measures, it would show that the materials technologists are finally winning the fight, or the safety legislators have given up. The two lines on the graph have reached an intersecting point.

But it's not just a question of finding the right materials for vehicle construction, says Weber, it's also a matter of using it appropriately.

"We believe, as we have learned in the aluminium field, very often the best result is possible [by combining] the right material in the right place," he explained.

In the race to pull weight out of the E-Class, all of Benz's engineers have a filly in the field, says Weber.

"Our lightweight strategy is definitely not limited to the body of the car," he said. "To reduce the weight of the car is, especially in our organisation, a task for everybody.

"Tyre, windshield, each component; we have defined as part of our module strategy about 100 key modules. We have addressed for the next generation cars a 20 per cent target as an average. So there are some areas where we can find 25 or 30, some 10 — and the body by itself... we are looking for 30..."

Just taking 30 per cent of the weight out of the body won't reduce the vehicle's overall kerb mass by up to 200kg it seems, which leaves Benz no choice but for engineers in other 'modules' to cut weight — and that has all sorts of ramifications according to Weber.

"That leads to the discussion of downsizing; substituting a V6 with an inline four. In Europe we will see in some years from now about 90 per cent inline four-cylinder engines. That is a huge transition... that will help us on the weight side and the fuel consumption side."

The migration to smaller engines has already begun and Benz is by no means the only exponent in Europe. Weber believes the added cost implicit in developing cars along these more sophisticated lines can be kept low with more efficient production methods. And as for the module strategy, the new compact car, based on the new B-Class platform is the company's first attempt to put this method into practice. So it's happening...
 
Looks like Audi has lit a fire in the industry by being the first Luxo manufacturer to publicly state (and be commended for) and apply weight savings to their newest cars. While BMW is seemingly hiding lead and gold bricks in theirs, to provide shockingly high weight figures.

One has to wonder if these future lighter Benzes will have a side effect of feeling "too feathery and less substantial than older Benzes", or cutting down on the substantial/full feeling materials for the lightweight ones, etc. Gonna be interesting to witness the first ever decreased-weight cars. It had to happen sometime, and it finally is. Cars are getting outta hand. The E isn't even that heavy for a Luxury Sedan. The 5-Series' weight figures, on the other hand, are downright pathetic.
 
Whoa whoa whoa!

I just looked up weight figures.

E350 Sport: 3774
535i: 4030
A6 2.0 "2WD": 3891

Shockingly, the Benz is the lightest! More shocking, considering it has that "Heavy brick solid Benz look", while the other two strive to visually convey a more lightfooted nature. I don't doubt that M-B provides the most advanced construction of the trio already (surely more than the 5, while the Audi would give it a better run). Not only does its shell hold up better than the F10's in after crash pictures, but it's lighter. The W212 did win "Best Bodyshell" in 2009, when it came out, winning over the Audi R8, Jaguar XJ, amongst all others. So it shouldn't be surprising, but as a driver of it, it's nice. :)
 
What they have to do is make it more attractive inside out. They should follow the W211 formula, instead of the W212 one.
 
That's subjective of course. The W212 is the most popular E-Class to date, and I can attest that my W212 gets compliments and positive attention at a rate that my W211 never saw. That said, I like both about equally, as if I were referring to my children, but for very different reasons (they're very different demeanors).

In the U.S, to non brand fanboys/girls it seems that the W212 is a more popular and attention garnering car than the F10, for example. Sales figures are especially telling, considering the E60 crushed the W211 in Sales, and the W212 is selling more than the 1 year newer F10. Not only did the W212 bring the E-Class back to the table, regarding Sales in the U.S VS the BMW competitor, but it's just so damn good, it left BMW at that table and went to an even better table. :D This is even despite the fact that it has lacked in HP and MPG VS the 5-Series, which IMO is a full testament to the W212's design and quality. Of course, starting with 2012 MY's, the E's HP and MPG "statistics" are fixed.

It definitely goes without saying that they will smooth out the angles on the next E though. The W212's art is fully angular, purposefully so, so I doubt M-B will try and out-do it, rather than take it in a different direction.
 
Does that mean the next E will be 200kg lighter than the current one or that it simply uses technology that would save the car 200 kg of additional weigh ?
 
Mercedes did it before. Remember the weight dropped from the W116 to W126, under design chief Bruno Sacco and chief engineer Werner Breitschwerdt. ;)


translated from the web:


Mercedes-Benz W126 S-Class Vehicle Development

Responsible for the development of the W126 were Bruno Sacco at the time head of the Style Department, and Werner Breitschwerdt as director of passenger cars.

As a result of the oil crisis, the focus was on developing the new S-class in parallel to the best possible safety and to economic criteria such as the reduction of vehicle weight, and thus to the improvement of vehicle-specific fuel consumption compared to the predecessor. Through better aerodynamics with a cd-value of 0.36 the consumption of the 126 series was reduced over its predecessor with a cd of 0.41 by more than 10% together with the weight-reducing construction. Further measures under the "Mercedes-Benz Energy Concept" in 1981 further decreased the consumption, the fuel economy was now up to 30% less compared to its predecessor, comparing the W126 500SE versus the 450SE in the W116 series.

The reduction in weight (60 kg in the 280SE kg up to 280 kg in the 500SEL compared with the 450SEL 6.9) was achieved among others things through increased use of plastics and an aluminum engine block for the eight-cylinder engines M116 and M117. In addition it was made possible by the development of CAD-based application of new steel alloys, titanium, vanadium and niobium for some body parts, making these with reduced thickness, but the same strengths and stability as conventional plates.

They also cancelled a successor to the flagship 450SEL 6.9, with 210 kW (286 hp), since such a heavy car with high fuel consumption appeared out of date. The new top model 500SEL with 177 kW (241 hp) reached with its lower rolling resistance virtually the same performance.

The first pilot production vehicles were completed in February 1979 and underwent test runs. These vehicles were equipped exclusively with a short wheelbase, the long wheelbase version of the vehicle followed in the fall, just in time for the presentation at the IAA in September.

Example

1972-1980 W116 450SE ..... 1790 kg
1979-1991 W126 500SE ..... 1670 kg

weight reduction aprox ..... 120 kg
:t-cheers:
 
Wow. I didn't realize that the E-Class was so light. I just checked the specs for the 4matic/quattro E/A6 and the E is still lighter, although by less of a margin than the 2wd versions. That said, I would like Mercedes to outline more on their lightweight future. All that we know concerns the Toray partnership, and that the upcoming SL may make use of CFRP. Audi has already shown us prototypes of lightweight cars, as well as information on the next Q7's weight.

On an off topic note, it's interesting to already be talking about the next generation E-Class, though it's still far off. We should start to see mules for the E-Class facelift soon though.
 
I also looked up weight figures as I didn't believe the merc would be lighter.
I went on the german manufacturer sites and wasn't disappointed:

E 350 4MATIC -> 1825kg +10kg
A6 quattro 3.0 TFSI S tronic ->1815kg

E 350 CDI 4MATIC BlueEFFICIENCY -> 1900kg +105kg
A6 3.0 TDI quattro S tronic -> 1795kg

E 220 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY 6-speed rwd -> 1735kg +85kg
A6 2.0 TDI 6-speed fwd -> 1650kg

All weights under the usual directive, 90% fuel, 68kg driver, 7kg luggage, etc.
 
Some more number fun. Looked up some USA weights on the manufacturers' sites. ;)

Audi A6 3.0 TFSI -> 4045 lbs -> from audiusa.com -> + 220 lbs
BMW 535i auto -> 4090 lbs -> from bmwusa.com -> + 265 lbs
Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC -> 3979 lbs -> from mbusa.com -> + 154 lbs
Mercedes-Benz E350 RWD -> 3825 lbs -> from mbusa.com
 
Very true. The F10 M5 curb weight on the scale tipping easily around 4500 lbs is borderline criminal. It is appalling.

Looks like Audi has lit a fire in the industry by being the first Luxo manufacturer to publicly state (and be commended for) and apply weight savings to their newest cars. While BMW is seemingly hiding lead and gold bricks in theirs, to provide shockingly high weight figures.

One has to wonder if these future lighter Benzes will have a side effect of feeling "too feathery and less substantial than older Benzes", or cutting down on the substantial/full feeling materials for the lightweight ones, etc. Gonna be interesting to witness the first ever decreased-weight cars. It had to happen sometime, and it finally is. Cars are getting outta hand. The E isn't even that heavy for a Luxury Sedan. The 5-Series' weight figures, on the other hand, are downright pathetic.
 
One has to wonder if these future lighter Benzes will have a side effect of feeling "too feathery and less substantial than older Benzes", or cutting down on the substantial/full feeling materials for the lightweight ones, etc.

I doubt it, my old W123 weighed roughly 3300 pounds and it felt like a tank when you drove it or slammed the doors. Same can be said about our past W201 and that was a tick under 3000 pounds. So long as Zetsche is around I suspect these new Mercedes will continue to feel like Mercs of the past...even when they shed some pounds.
 
Mercedes-Benz E350 4MATIC -> 3979 lbs -> from mbusa.com -> + 154 lbs
Mercedes-Benz E350 RWD -> 3825 lbs -> from mbusa.com

These figures are for the old model not comparable with the audi.
268bhp and a 0-60 time of 6.6 sec. Audi has 310bhp and a 0-60 time of 5.3.
The figures I posted are for the current 306bhp E 350 model.
 
Interesting thread. Mercedes have always been either light for the class or heavier. The W140 being an example of the latter. The SL is the one that needs the diet more than the E.


M
 
The newer models are not yet released in the USA, but are expected soon. ;)


2012 E-Class Sedan – October

• New direct injected engines – V6 with 302 hp and V8 with 402 hp
• New wheels and steering wheels for some models
• Wood/Leather steering wheel now availabel for both sport and luxury models
• New Lane Tracking package
• LED running lights for both sport and luxury
• Color instrument cluster
• Media Interface relocated to center console
• Updated version of 7-speed transmission which provides better fuel economy

2012 E-Class Wagon – October

• The E63 AMG wagon is coming!

BenzBlogger » Blog Archiv » 2012 Mercedes-Benz Vehicle Highlights, Release Dates and Pricing
 
I think that all this is just marketing talk and in reality they just want to cut costs and make same platform for C and E class.

5 series is based on 7 series platform, surely it will be heavier than E class and A6.

They are heavy for a reason. Car feels solid.
Look at Bentley Continental GT, it looks rather small, but weights a lot more than bigger S class or 7 series.

I'm sure they could make GT a lot lighter if they wanted to.
 
You can make a car feel solid without it being heavy. Mercedes does that with the C-Class easily. Being heavy doesn't always equal solidity. 5 and 7 on the same platform was bad move because the 5 suffers for it. The 5 being a former class leader, while the 7 has never been or at least to the extent the 5-Series was.

Audi is serious about weight loss and I think Mercedes may be also, the new SL will tell if they are. BMW, well not so much.

I'm sure they could make GT a lot lighter if they wanted to


Any car company can make their cars lighter so it isn't that they can't, they can but at what price is the question. We're all going to pay more for lighter cars that must remain packed with features and meet increasingly tough safety standards.



M
 
I think that all this is just marketing talk and in reality they just want to cut costs and make same platform for C and E class.

5 series is based on 7 series platform, surely it will be heavier than E class and A6.

They are heavy for a reason. Car feels solid.
Look at Bentley Continental GT, it looks rather small, but weights a lot more than bigger S class or 7 series.

I'm sure they could make GT a lot lighter if they wanted to.

Actually it's quite the other way around, nowadays. Heaviness usually can mean lack of advanced, lightweight/high strength materials (case in point, the F10), as BMW based it on the 7, and couldn't "afford" to use the more advanced materials (they used very advanced materials for the time on the E60, so I dunno what changed other than profit-margins).

Some cars are so packed in with luxurious amenities, that it's hard to keep weight down. In reality, and in this day and age, you could be solid AND light, you just have to be ready to shell out the costs.

I personally don't feel comfortable in a car that weighs under 3500 lbs, due only to the fact that there are so many massively "fat" vehicles out there (SUV's, Pickup Trucks, Big Rigs, and when the 5-Series is climbing into the mid 4's, you have a problem). Once cars get lighter, it'll be "safer" to be in a lighter car, in terms of laws of physics.
 
I think that all this is just marketing talk and in reality they just want to cut costs and make same platform for C and E class.

5 series is based on 7 series platform, surely it will be heavier than E class and A6.

They are heavy for a reason. Car feels solid.
Look at Bentley Continental GT, it looks rather small, but weights a lot more than bigger S class or 7 series.

I'm sure they could make GT a lot lighter if they wanted to.
My friend, have you ever driven an american car of the 70s or 80s ? The solid feel has little to do with weight. Engineering is the key word!
 

Mercedes-Benz

Mercedes-Benz Group AG is headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany. Established in 1926, Mercedes-Benz Group produces consumer luxury vehicles and light commercial vehicles badged as Mercedes-Benz, Mercedes-AMG, and Mercedes-Maybach. Its origin lies in Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft's 1901 Mercedes and Carl Benz's 1886 Benz Patent-Motorwagen, which is widely regarded as the first internal combustion engine in a self-propelled automobile. The slogan for the brand is "the best or nothing".
Official website: Mercedes-Benz (Global), Mercedes-Benz (USA)

Trending content


Back
Top