lambornima
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Very impressive time! Thanks for the update!
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Gianclaudio
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Great job indeed...Pity that the car is ugly as an annual income tax...
Man, don't even mention, yesterday I paid the annual profit tax... 25%
No it is not a like comparison since Horst Von Saurma had said in the article that he did not get enough practice sessions since he had very limited time. He only had 3 practice sessions with the LFA and did not get comfortable with the car enough.
Fact of the matter is, with a driver who knew the capabilities inside and out through months of driving and racing, LFA ran a 7:14. It is really just that simple.
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And - following this logic - that's why the Aventador would be much faster with a factory driver as well.
Yes, I agree. Aventador will be quicker without a doubt. Possible even quick enough to easily go under 7:20 with the perfect driver.
I am just saying, LFA was a unique case since Saurma did not spend the same amount of time he typically does with every other car he tests.
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But it does not mean the Aventador with factory driver (Balboni) WILL be faster than LFA NE. Because maybe this Aventador lap reached 95% of the cars potential, and the LFA NE 85% of its potential, what means the Aventador could maybe not improve much.
But seriously I believe it can yet.
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The only clear thing here is the usual bunch jumping to the LFA's defence like moths to a flame. Fact is, as far as Sport Auto tests go - the Aventador is spectacularly fast. And this is the only tangible point that's beyond repute.
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Time to save $$$ for SV version
Don't say that. Because when I told this...
I was said this...
paxah
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To start with the Porsche 911 GT2 RS (WITH Manual gearbox, !!!
), OLD ENZO (the same time at least), Gumpert apollo (700HP), I'm sure the Huayara will completely TRASH it, as well as the Ferrari F12Berlinetta (knowing that it is 2 seconds faster than the ENZO on Maranello); so i'm sure it will easily beat it ! I'm not very impressed at all from the Lambo!!
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"Only" 100-more-hp for 350-more-kgs... that's a huge disadvantage.Its Only 3 seconds Faster than the MP4-12C !! I was expecting 7:20 at least given the amount of horsepower this thing has and the Brutal acceleration. (700hp compared to only 592hp from the McLaren).
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paxah
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True, but i don't see weight is that much of a disadvantage (if you look at the Nissan GT-R)!"Only" 100-more-hp for 350-more-kgs... that's a huge disadvantage.
Also you don't have to forget that it has PULL-ROD suspension and 4wd !
To start with the Porsche 911 GT2 RS (WITH Manual gearbox, !!!
That lambo isn't a semi-competition car like the GT2, Enzo, etc. As for the Huayara, I believe it costs considerably more. I'm impressed by Lambo's achievements even if you aren't, especially as many thought it wasn't a great handling car which this time clearly shows it is.
First of all, I'm not sure what you mean by "many." I haven't seen all that many people say the Aventador isn't a great handling car.
Secondly, a fast lap time is not necessarily indicative of a great handling car. A ZR1 or Viper ACR laps faster than an R8, but I've yet to see a test indicating the first two cars handle better than the third. Maybe they lap faster due to more power and fatter, grippier tires. Depending on the road, the ZR1 has been slagged pretty badly for its handling, and I'd expect similar for the ACR.
And what makes an Enzo or GT2 anymore of a semi-competition car than the Lambo? The GT2 doesn't have a purpose-built CF frame; it's derived from lesser steel-bodied Porsches. It has a manual transmission to the Aventador's automated sequential (which is pretty much the de facto transmission type of most competition cars). It has turbochargers, which are a bit laggy and don't deliver the crisp throttle response that naturally aspirated engines can deliver.
If you say a relative lack of luxury and sound system, then a BMW CSL counts as a semi-competition car. But I think most people recognize that as a wannabe trackday special in the mold of a GT3, and can attribute much of its performance advantage over the standard car to its semi-slick R-compound tires. Which the Enzo does not have. The Aventador's time is about what I'd expect of a car with supercar levels of handling, supercar levels of power, AWD, mid-engined placement, and fat, grippy tires. What's not yet clear is which tires it was on. Corsas?
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Probably. I will tell you as soon as I get the magazine.
lambornima
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The point is that the cars the LP700 is keeping up with are much more track oriented than it is. You can not possibly be arguing that a GT2 RS, which is a hardcore, stripped out version of a stripped out version of a 911 Turbo is less track oriented than the all-leather-interior Aventador thats got sat-nav, a 7" display etc etc...the GT2RS doesnt even have door handles. If that's indeed the case and the LP700 is just as much track oriented, then porsche failed miserably... and by that train of thought, a 911 Turbo is a luxury sedan compared to cars like the LP700 and Gallardo.
Having a CF tub doesnt make it track oriented. By your logic, if an LP700 is as much semi-competition as a GT2 RS, then what would the SV version be considered as? a full on race car?
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