911 (991) Porsche 911 Turbo(991) Spy Shots
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The Porsche 991 is the seventh generation of the Porsche 911 sports car, produced from September 2011 to December 2019. It was unveiled at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show on 15 September as the replacement for the 997.
JHF
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Now that the new Porsche 911 GT3 has made its debut, attention turns to the next performance variant of the Type 991 Porsche 911 family, the infamous Turbo.
Though we’ve been spying prototypes of the car for several years now, today, we have a new set of shots that show the new Porsche 911 Turbo almost completely undisguised.
Being this late into its development, we expect the new car to debut soon, most likely at September’s Frankfurt Auto Show before reaching showrooms around the end of the year as a 2014 model.
The Porsche 911 Turbo is a car that needs no introduction here at Motor Authority.
Able to keep up with some of the best supercar models around; its combination of turbocharged power and all-wheel-drive traction ensures it’s almost always the first out of the blocks when the lights turn green.
Looking closely at the prototype of the next-generation model, we can clearly see the trademark side intake ports of the 911 Turbo, as well as its wider rear and oversized spoiler.
The rear bumper also features additional cooling vents on its flanks as well as an integrated rear diffuser. We can also see that the 911 Turbo has a unique exhaust design.
In the outgoing 997 generation, the 911 Turbo is some 44 mm wider than the regular Carrera and the same will be true for the new 991, as confirmed with the launch of the Carrera 4 models, which also sport a wider track.
Peak output should also be slightly higher than the 530 horsepower of the most recent 911 Turbo S, so expect a figure of around 550 horsepower to bring its output in-line with that of its Japanese nemesis, the Nissan GT-R.
An advanced tri-turbo setup has been reported as a possibility, with the addition of the third turbocharger aimed at improving low-end response for blistering off the line performance. But that’s not all as an uprated ‘PDK-S’ dual-clutch gearbox may also get the cut. It’s unclear if a conventional manual will be offered, given Porsche’s moves with the PDK-only 911 GT3.
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hoffmeister_fan
Kraftwagen König
here's hoping the side intake is a bit better integrated.
I'm not sure the 911 Turbo rival will be the P13. Seing how fast he 991 GT3 is, I expect the 991 Turbo to have faster accelerations than the MP4-12C, und thus the Aventador. And the new 991 is so GT-like, it will be hard to for any car manufacturer to make a better overall package, that is so fast, daily-drivable, almost comortable, quite practicle, and even has the possibility to carry two more people in "emergency" cases.
Kilcrohane
Porsche Perfektionist
Don't be suckered in by Autocar. The chutzpah of those corrupt hack tossers to put up a sentence like that is breathtaking.
Do they really think anyone other than spotty British pre-pubescent males, wasting £3.60? on a copy, believes this crap, that a car that doesn't physically exist yet, by a flea-bite company, sets the standard to which the mighty Porsche is measured?!
These a$$holes are out of control and obviously now believing their own propaganda - a fatal mistake.
For the record - close your ears now, Brit fanboys - McLaren's basically up the swanny, anyway. The MP4-12C, or whatever gibberish Dennis is now calling it, is a sales flop. The carbon mono cell manufacture is outsourced to a company in Austria, Carbo Tech. A worker there reported the original contract called for something around 4,000 units a year, but has subsequently been scaled back to less than half that amount.
McLaren Automotive reported a loss recently. The McLaren P1 had its arse kicked by the Italians, with the stellar LaFerrari, making an absolute fool of McLaren and its massively cynical greedy attempt at passing off an MP4 with a tune-up and a new frock for quadruple the price. McLaren on the track isn't exactly pulling up trees either at the minute.
The Bahrainis and Dennis who own McLaren must be falling back on the old 'throw the kitchen sick at marketing' route, to try stay afloat, when the products can't compete on merit - a familar ploy for a 'British' company.
So they employ hacks, like Haymarket's Autocar, to talk up this imaginary 911 competitor as some exalted paragon of automotive engineering, exactly like they did with the MP4 and P1, only to see both get monstered, absolutely rightly, by Ferrari and others, and Tiff Needell's name mud at Woking, for speaking the truth, on the 'weird' MP4.
It won't work. No one with sense really takes the MP4 seriously now - hence the sales bombing, nor the ridiculous, cynical P1. The 911 Turbo is gonna drive the last nail into McLaren Automotive's coffin - rightly as you say, Levi68, the new circa £130k 991 Turbo will be faster than the £200k MP4 - just as the Cayman/Boxster has effectively delivered a final death blow to Lotus's massively overpriced Evora, and probably Lotus Cars as a company generally.
The talk of the 911 being a competitor for this imaginary P13, is not confidence, it's the bravado pf the damned whistling past the graveyard.
I must say, despite not using REALLY offensive words, I think it would be for the good of the forum generally if Kilcrohane was warned to tone down his attitude and general aggressive posting style. This forum is above some of the more "downmarket" forums on the net, and allowing posts like the one above to continue to be posted is lowering the tone and will put people off. Whatever somebody's opinion of Autocar OR McLaren, to express their views in such an abusive manner is poor form.
Post reported.
Post reported.
I could quite happily post like that, but it wouldn't do the forum any good. You allow obnoxious posting to continue unabated then people won't hit "ignore user". They'll just stop coming here.
There are ways to make posts funny, informative and engaging without resorting to being aggressive and abusive and condescending (read any of Martin's, as I'm sure you do).
What Kilcrohane fails to grasp is that if he did tone his posts down and made them more concise as opposed to a long, drawn-out diatribe, his audience would probably be much bigger.
Merc1
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Oh I agree, fully. I just find his hate of JLR to be fascinating. There has to be more to the story.
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Sayyaaf
Autotechnik Ace
which thread is this again ? oh yeah the 911.
BtW I find it hilarious when some people find a small company that produce an amazing car "from the ground up" as a flop. I mean we are all motorheads here, I think we should raise some real money here to help it survive the industry for gods sake. Whatever brand I am fond of, I shouldn't dis any company that has racing heritage and lots of passion and started with a bang out of no where. If I was a british governer, I'd do a bailout plan immediately. These companies are the pride of their country, they do things out of passion which is rare these days.
BTW Betty, this post isn't against you nor I was actually responding to your post. But it is frustrating to see some narrow minded fans around here spreading their useless posts that are neither informative nor passionate about the industry.
And I am really amazed how you changed in the past month or so, I started to actually learn a thing or two from your posts.
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Kilcrohane
Porsche Perfektionist
^Sayyaaf,
before you leave that high horse, who says that there's to be no negative comments on any subject? You? Who will judge what constitutes 'negative', and what 'positive'? Again, you?
Someone, 'Soup', put up a scan, above, of Autocar's current article on the 911 Turbo. I commented on the ridiculous strapline: 'New Porsche 911 Turbo to Rival P13'. So why the sarky comment about 'what thread is this again'?
If you're gonna be a wiseguy and sit in judgement on others' 'negativity', at least get your facts straight.
So what's this nonsense about you laying down the law about not being able to 'dis' an auto company?
Get real, life's about winners and losers, like the racetrack, and like the world of commerce. Dennis and his Bahraini associates gambled on the venture of McLaren Automotive, after many years of success in racing for McLaren. It looks like they have lost that gamble. Are we not allowed to say that, then? You're having a laugh, right?
I looked up that Carbo Tech reference, in the meantime. The original plan in 2011 was to do 4,500 mono cells a year for McLaren Auto. of the 12C, but that was scaled back to less than 2,500 in 2012. The Ferrari 458 has had the 12C for breakfast.
Add to that, the P1 has been rumbled as a ridiculously priced, tuned 12C, then there's McLaren Auto's reported losses, and then there's Autocar bigging up the non-existing P13 to make it look like the 991 Turbo is the inadequate johnny come lately. Bizarre, as is your attempt at muzzling, Sayyaaf.
before you leave that high horse, who says that there's to be no negative comments on any subject? You? Who will judge what constitutes 'negative', and what 'positive'? Again, you?
Someone, 'Soup', put up a scan, above, of Autocar's current article on the 911 Turbo. I commented on the ridiculous strapline: 'New Porsche 911 Turbo to Rival P13'. So why the sarky comment about 'what thread is this again'?
If you're gonna be a wiseguy and sit in judgement on others' 'negativity', at least get your facts straight.
So what's this nonsense about you laying down the law about not being able to 'dis' an auto company?
Get real, life's about winners and losers, like the racetrack, and like the world of commerce. Dennis and his Bahraini associates gambled on the venture of McLaren Automotive, after many years of success in racing for McLaren. It looks like they have lost that gamble. Are we not allowed to say that, then? You're having a laugh, right?
I looked up that Carbo Tech reference, in the meantime. The original plan in 2011 was to do 4,500 mono cells a year for McLaren Auto. of the 12C, but that was scaled back to less than 2,500 in 2012. The Ferrari 458 has had the 12C for breakfast.
Add to that, the P1 has been rumbled as a ridiculously priced, tuned 12C, then there's McLaren Auto's reported losses, and then there's Autocar bigging up the non-existing P13 to make it look like the 991 Turbo is the inadequate johnny come lately. Bizarre, as is your attempt at muzzling, Sayyaaf.
Sayyaaf
Autotechnik Ace
@Kilcrohane: which part of my reply has remotely referenced to your post again ? coz I couldn't find the relevance here. I was talking in general. You can dis autocar BS you want and I too find it ridiculous comparing the P13 to the 911 Turbo which is not yet released. But the sales part is kinda expected for a brand that has just been re-established as independent automotive producer and just been out of MB JV or whatever that was. Ferrari has a more resonant name to average joe and lets face it, people with money could care less if Mclaren is faster or better.
Point is, me as a a petrolhead, I could care less about sales, I know it determines a brand or car series future, but I enjoy the moment and I will give credit whenever its due.
You may come from a finance or marketing background, but me as an engineer, I appreciate the work done and could care less (again) if it sells well or not. That is someone else business not mine as enthusiast.
Point is, me as a a petrolhead, I could care less about sales, I know it determines a brand or car series future, but I enjoy the moment and I will give credit whenever its due.
You may come from a finance or marketing background, but me as an engineer, I appreciate the work done and could care less (again) if it sells well or not. That is someone else business not mine as enthusiast.
I can't work out whether this is in support of me or not. I think it's in support of me, in which case thanks for the compliments. I aim to make my posts increasingly informative in the future and I hope to contribute more to the forum.
Soup
Premium
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-911-turbo-latest-spy-shots
Porsche is busy putting the finishing touches to the new 911 Turbo, seen here nearly undisguised.
The new model will, like the 911 GT3, adopt four-wheel steering for added agility, Porsche R&D chief Wolfgang Hatz has confirmed to Autocar.
The latest incarnation of the 2+2 supercar is due to get its first public airing at the Frankfurt motor show in September. The new 911 Turbo will enter UK showrooms at a price that’s expected to nudge £120,000 in fully loaded form — the same territory that McLaren is targeting with the P13.
As with all recent new 911 models, the new car benefits from a wide range of weight-saving measures, including extensive use of aluminium.
Despite an increase in dimensions, the kerb weight has been reduced below the 1585kg of the last of the previous-generation models, in a move that promises to provide the new range-topping 911 with even more explosive performance.
Along with the larger body, the 911 Turbo adopts a heavily reworked chassis that uses a longer wheelbase and wider tracks. This is claimed to provide it with improved weight distribution. It also provides scope for an increase in tyre size, with 325/30-profile rubber set to appear at the rear.
The latest 911 Turbo prototypes provide a clear indication of the styling direction that the new car will take. Features include a unique front bumper with larger air ducts to help cool the front-mounted radiators, more pronounced sills under the doors, air ducts ahead of the rear wheel arches, a complex rear wing that provides active aerodynamics dependent on speed, and a reworked rear bumper with cooling ducts to extract air from the engine bay.
As with the existing 997 model, the new 991-series 911 Turbo is powered by a turbocharged version of Porsche’s 3.8-litre horizontally opposed six-cylinder petrol engine. Insiders have confirmed that it retains a twin-turbocharger arrangement, with low-inertia, variable-vane units to raise induction pressure.
Autocar understands that the new 911 Turbo will match the output of the most recent 911 Turbo S, with 530bhp and up to 530lb ft of torque. Those reserves will be channelled through a standard six-speed manual or optional seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox and a four-wheel drive system with torque vectoring.
Nothing is official just yet, but the new Turbo is expected to match the old Turbo S for straight-line pace. Porsche insiders point to a 0-62mph time of about 3.3sec and a top speed nudging 200mph.
Although larger than the car it replaces, the new 911 Turbo offers even sharper handling, Porsche engineers claim. Developments include electro-mechanical steering for the first time. As mentioned earlier, it forms part of a new four-wheel steer system shared with the 911 GT3.
The new system allows the steering angle of the rear wheels to be varied by up to 1.5 degrees, depending on the speed. At up to 37mph, the rear wheels are steered in the opposite direction to the front wheels, providing faster corner entry speeds. Above 50mph, the system steers the rear wheels parallel to the front wheels to improve stability.
Porsche is busy putting the finishing touches to the new 911 Turbo, seen here nearly undisguised.
The new model will, like the 911 GT3, adopt four-wheel steering for added agility, Porsche R&D chief Wolfgang Hatz has confirmed to Autocar.
The latest incarnation of the 2+2 supercar is due to get its first public airing at the Frankfurt motor show in September. The new 911 Turbo will enter UK showrooms at a price that’s expected to nudge £120,000 in fully loaded form — the same territory that McLaren is targeting with the P13.
As with all recent new 911 models, the new car benefits from a wide range of weight-saving measures, including extensive use of aluminium.
Despite an increase in dimensions, the kerb weight has been reduced below the 1585kg of the last of the previous-generation models, in a move that promises to provide the new range-topping 911 with even more explosive performance.
Along with the larger body, the 911 Turbo adopts a heavily reworked chassis that uses a longer wheelbase and wider tracks. This is claimed to provide it with improved weight distribution. It also provides scope for an increase in tyre size, with 325/30-profile rubber set to appear at the rear.
The latest 911 Turbo prototypes provide a clear indication of the styling direction that the new car will take. Features include a unique front bumper with larger air ducts to help cool the front-mounted radiators, more pronounced sills under the doors, air ducts ahead of the rear wheel arches, a complex rear wing that provides active aerodynamics dependent on speed, and a reworked rear bumper with cooling ducts to extract air from the engine bay.
As with the existing 997 model, the new 991-series 911 Turbo is powered by a turbocharged version of Porsche’s 3.8-litre horizontally opposed six-cylinder petrol engine. Insiders have confirmed that it retains a twin-turbocharger arrangement, with low-inertia, variable-vane units to raise induction pressure.
Autocar understands that the new 911 Turbo will match the output of the most recent 911 Turbo S, with 530bhp and up to 530lb ft of torque. Those reserves will be channelled through a standard six-speed manual or optional seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox and a four-wheel drive system with torque vectoring.
Nothing is official just yet, but the new Turbo is expected to match the old Turbo S for straight-line pace. Porsche insiders point to a 0-62mph time of about 3.3sec and a top speed nudging 200mph.
Although larger than the car it replaces, the new 911 Turbo offers even sharper handling, Porsche engineers claim. Developments include electro-mechanical steering for the first time. As mentioned earlier, it forms part of a new four-wheel steer system shared with the 911 GT3.
The new system allows the steering angle of the rear wheels to be varied by up to 1.5 degrees, depending on the speed. At up to 37mph, the rear wheels are steered in the opposite direction to the front wheels, providing faster corner entry speeds. Above 50mph, the system steers the rear wheels parallel to the front wheels to improve stability.
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