86 [Official] Toyota GT 86

[330CIZHP]

It takes some getting used to for the driver. At first, he slips the clutch too much during shifts to figure out where the grab point is, the last 5 minutes of the video has some serious drifting action and he gets completely comfortable with the shifts:

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[Zafiro]

7600 rpm redline. Najs

 

[Human]

I like it, just those boy-racer kahoona tailpipes is a bit over the top IMHO. My money will buy the Subaru BRZ instead

 

[Guibo]

I think we all understand the intention of this car, its basically a hard top attempt of the mx5, and a less hardcore lotus elise. For 28,000 pounds the competition is pretty steep though, and people will look at the on paper stats and just wont get it. For the majority of people, they do not track the car, and for a occasional weekend toy, the mx5 must surely be better suited as it is after a convertible.

This car is basically like a gen7 celica but with rwd instead of fwd. Do you think it will be a sales success? I doubt it, not for 28,000 pounds and such a weak engine. 0-60 in 7 secs is a joke.

Not everyone wants a convertible. Many prefer a coupe. Some will need the rear seats; Toyota didn't just throw in rear seats on a whim, it was designed that way from the beginning. For better or worse, there's an image about small convertibles that will turn off a lot of people. For track work, some organizations require a rollbar or cage, which (for some) spoils the lines of a convertible. But look at your Miata example: it's a lot more than the sum of it's on-paper stats. Early test drives of the Toyota/Subaru indicate the same, with the benefit of having rear seats you could use in a pinch (with what looks like more room in back than a TT). Car Magazine's Ben Barry said it "trounces its closest rival, the Mazda MX-5, in the fun stakes." I dunno, that sounds like something of a pretty good car so far to me. Not so to you?

I have no idea. I've seen some very pessimistic sales goals, which frankly look unrealistically low to me. What figures have you seen? In this day and age of design & engineering by committee and marketing, the whole ethos of this car is refreshing and should be celebrated.

Dont get me wrong guys, as a track enthusiast I get the intention of the car, and im sure its a blast, but from a sales success point of view I cannot see it selling due to its high price tag. The car is meant to be a all rounder, but so far it looks like it only excels in one department and only when you are in an environment which allows you to do so.

How do you know it's only fun on a smooth, well-paved track? If that video by martinbo is any indication, on a real-world road that car could already be handful when grip is less than optimum, which it often can be. The reality is that many of these cars will probably find a ditch, and it's not due to a lack of power.

The LFA is overpriced for what it is truth be told. Theres nothing groundbreaking as such on the car either. Give me a GT3 RS 4.0 instead.

3 year old audi TTRS
3 year old bmw m3
New scirocco R
5 year old aston v8 vantage
8k more gets you a new boxster

Overpriced...yet's it's practically sold out. There's nothing groundbreaking on a lot of cars in the same price range. That doesn't mean they're not worth it, or that they're not essentially good/great cars. An LP670-4 is ancient as hell, yet it's proof that the visceral, emotive feel of a car (that which many might consider to be a "soul") counts for a helluva lot more than merely technology for its own sake.
Sloppy seconds on most of those cars. Have fun servicing the Aston. By that same logic, why would anyone buy a V8 Vantage when they could have a new Scirocco R? Or put it another way, why would anyone buy a car based on a 1M/yr car like the Scirocco when they can have an exotic, lust-worthy V8 Vantage (with the sort of class and visual drama a Scirocco R owner could only dream of) instead? See? Different strokes for different folks.

And that a front-drive TT might drive better than AWD one isn't necessarily saying a lot. For people in the States, the RenaultSport is a non-starter (as is the Scirocco). While it may be chuckable and fun, it will still feel essentially different from a car that you can drift with the throttle pedal pressed. And it's not like the Scirocco even in R guise has met with universal praise as an enthusiast driver's car.

Without having even driven this car, are you basically saying Toyota shouldn't be building this kind of car, that they shouldn't try to attract a younger audience back to the brand?

 

[Sayyaaf]

I like it, just those boy-racer kahoona tailpipes is a bit over the top IMHO. My money will buy the Subaru BRZ instead

Me 2, now that Yas circuit is less than 5Km away from home, I might get one for track days, hopefully my financial status will allow it.

 

[Human]

Me 2, now that Yas circuit is less than 5Km away from home, I might get one for track days, hopefully my financial status will allow it.

Aahh! Yas Marina circuit and Ferrari World...also the Porsche Cup You lucky Arab you

 

[conneem]

Maybe I missed them but have there been any pictures (or video's featuring footage) of the rear seats yet?

Edit: this is the only pic/schematic i have found.

and if you overlay the rear passenger n the front, you can see that the rear is most likely a child/young teen.

 

[Merc1]

Guess I was expecting too much design wise, but damn this is the car we all waited for? I will reserve final judgement until I see it. Does the Subie version look any better?

M

 

[Zafiro]

Maybe I missed them but have there been any pictures (or video's featuring footage) of the rear seats yet?

Edit: this is the only pic/schematic i have found.

and if you overlay the rear passenger n the front, you can see that the rear is most likely a child/young teen.

 

[conneem]

Thanks. Looks to be a decent amount of rear head room due to the way the seats are bucketed

 

[PHYBENZ]

^^ Where do you put your feet and legs though?

 

[Guibo]

TT rear seats by comparison:

Aside from being more deeply bucketed, the GT-86 seatbacks don't force the passengers into such an upright seating position. Here is how the two compare (to scale) with the rear wheel axles lined up:


You can see how much lower the GT-86's rear seats are. If you were to transpose the driver and passenger with the same sitting positions into the TT, here's how it would look:

Not looking good for rear passenger head clearance, and the driver's knees are already forced into the dashboard. And this is taking into account that the passengers sit into (rather on top of) the seats.

^^ Where do you put your feet and legs though?

For short trips, the front passengers would have the courtesy to move up a bit by a couple of inches. The rear passengers' feet look like they would then go under the front seats.


By the specs, it is the GT-86 that is some 67mm lower than the TT overall...

 

[conneem]

For short trips, the front passengers would have the courtesy to move up a bit by a couple of inches. The rear passengers' feet look like they would then go under the front seats.


By the specs, it is the GT-86 that is some 67mm lower than the TT overall...

Yeah, that is what you have to do in the TT, just enough room behind the seats for legs if the front passengers scoot up a bit (there is lots of room in the front footwell anyway) then there feet slide under the front seat, big problem in the TT though is head room, it is only approaching comfortable in the back if you are less than 5'2", but you can fit 2 5'10" guys in the back for very short journeys if they bend their heads.

 

[Levi68]

In Germany the GT86 is very cirtisised by the commenters. In France they have extreme hatred for this car. WTF? The car is not yet 100% unveiled, very few tested it briefly. I think I won't be able to leave the car parked for an hour anywhere in France. They'll flaten my tires and brake the windows. I'll need a gun to shoot them down.

 

[330CIZHP]

In Germany the GT86 is very cirtisised by the commenters. In France they have extreme hatred for this car. WTF? The car is not yet 100% unveiled, very few tested it briefly. I think I won't be able to leave the car parked for an hour anywhere in France. They'll flaten my tires and brake the windows. I'll need a gun to shoot them down.

That is very surprising.

 

[Zafiro]

How come the weight is low?

 

[Mr Robert]

In Germany the GT86 is very cirtisised by the commenters. In France they have extreme hatred for this car. WTF? The car is not yet 100% unveiled, very few tested it briefly. I think I won't be able to leave the car parked for an hour anywhere in France. They'll flaten my tires and brake the windows. I'll need a gun to shoot them down.

Hrmm... the only reason I can think of is that the car is only numbers, not passion. I have a hard time believing that - I mean, the basic recepie is perfect. How can that be screwed up?

 

[martinbo]

How come the weight is low?

Because it's poorly made cheap Jap Scrap that has no business being appreciated on a German car forum.

 

[Zafiro]

Because it's poorly made cheap Jap Scrap that has no business being appreciated on a German car forum.

Okey but are the other reasons than that?

 

[Levi68]

To put the car into perspective I decided to make this list. It is not detailed but to show the "dragracers" what this car is about, and that it is neither under powered nor overpriced. If I can add another car to the list, tell me. By the way, all the prices are base prices, they are prices of the cars in France.


Toyota GT86
200 PS
0-100 km/h: N/A
V-max: N/A
~30.000 €

Renault Mégane RS
250 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,1 sec
V-max: 245 km/h
29.500 €

Peugeot RCZ
200 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,5 sec
V-max: 237 km/h
31.700 €

VW Golf GTI
235 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,6 sec
V-max: 247 km/h
31.130 €

VW Golf R
270 PS
0-100 km/h: 5,7
V-max: 250 km/h
37.430 €

VW Scirocco
210 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,9
V-max: 240 km/h
29.640 €

VW Scirocco R
265 PS
0-100 km/h:6,0 sec
V-max: 250 km/h
36.990 €

Mini Coupé JCW
211 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,4 sec
V-max: 240 km/h
32.700 €

Mazda MX-5 (Hardtop)
160 PS
0-100: 8,9 sec
V-max: 194 km/h
30.300 €

Nissan 370Z
328 PS
0-100 km/h: 5,3 sec
V-max: 250 km/h
40.950 €

Honda Civic Type R
201 PS
0-100 km/h: 6.6 sec
V-max: 235 km/h
31.300 €

Audi TT
160 PS / 211 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,4 sec / 6,1 sec
V-max: 223 km/h / 245 km/h
32.910 € /38.210 €

BMW 120i / 125i (E82)
170 PS / 218 PS
0-100 km/h: 7,8 sec / 6,4 sec
V-max: 224 km/h / 245 km/h
30.350 € / 35.500 €

Hyundai GC 2.0T / 3.8 V6 (MY2011)
210 PS / 303 PS
0-100 km/h: 8,0 sec / 6,3 sec
V-max; 223 km/h / 240 km/h
32.990 € / 35.990 €

Lotus Elise
136 PS
0-100 km/h: 6,5 sec
V-max: 203 km/h
34.620 €




Looking at the list, the Toyota GT86 is the best bang for you buck, yet we do not have all specs, price could be lower, performance quite good. If you want more the only way to go is Nissan 370Z. If you want good german products, pay more for "less".