Hot! Ferrari F12 Berlinetta vs. Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4


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Absolutely. I couldn't care less if they're manumatics, tiptronics, CVT, DSG or robotized manuals. There are the ones with the 3rd pedal and the ones with not, regardless if you make the changes or not, and if it has one, two, x clutches, gear or pulleys.

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Let us not fool ourselves. In the same way as carburators are things of the past, so manuals will be a thing of the past. I bet next generation M3 (after F8X) will have no more manual.

Absolutely. I couldn't care less if they're manumatics, tiptronics, CVT, DSG or robotized manuals. There are the ones with the 3rd pedal and the ones with not, regardless if you make the changes or not, and if it has one, two, x clutches, gear or pulleys.

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Of not there are the ones with three pedals, but sequential shifting. Like this for example.

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Of not there are the ones with three pedals, but sequential shifting. Like this for example.

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That is just a different shift pattern and shifting mechanism on top of the GT3's traditional 6 speed gearbox. And in it's driving experience, operation and even internals it is more similar to a traditional H pattern manual than any of the automated 2 pedal transmissions. There is no robotized shifting or declutching, the driver has to do everything.

The bottom line is this - is there an actual mechanical link between the driver and the transmission or not? In the case of any of the different types of automated transmissions, the answer is NO. You request a gear change - ether by paddle, button, shifter, telepathy or whatever, it is really just an electrical signal that tells the ECU/TCU that the driver requested a gear change. It is up to the computer to then comply (if and when it wants) and operate the mechanicals that do the actual gear change. In the case of a manual, either one with a H pattern or a sequential pattern, both the clutch pedal and the shifter are mechanically linked to the drive line. And IMO it is this mechanical link that makes a manual more involving to drive.

I think this is also the reason (at least I) always perceive a small lag in the DCTs/automatics I have tried no matter how blindingly quick they shift. In the case of an automated transmission, the driver's part in a shift is done as soon as he/she requests a shift by depressing a button or pulling paddle. The real shift happens after the driver is done doing his part. Where as with a proper manual, the driver is only done when the gear change is done.

Interesting anecdote about this - I realized this when I was attending a tech talk by one of the Instagram founders. What they did to make their app appear more responsive was while an image was uploading, instead of showing a spinner, they would ask people to fill out stuff about the image - description and crap. Their reasoning being human psychology is such that, people don't perceive time pass even if it ends up taking longer when they are actually involved in the process vs just ideally waiting.
 
I agree on most. And I know what the sequential shifter is like. It is in use similar to bikes. I just never drove any bike, nor such a manual as I shown in the vid. I wonder what is the differece in feeling having to just push up or pull down or to choose a path in the patern.
 
Ferrari F12 berlinetta all the way, everyday!(y) The F12 has an elegant, classy and sophisticated design which is just stunningly gorgeous and perfect. But the aventador just looks too weird and ugly in my opinion, it looks as though the people that designed the aventador used a pencil and a ruler to draw those ugly triangular shapes and sharp edges on the car :wtf:
The F12 berlinetta looks a lot more refined, complete and classy and it's a much better car overall anyway. Once again Ferrari has made a masterpiece that completely neutralises Lambos attempt at making a proper supercar.
Lambo fanboys will jump on my back now, but I don't give a **** about them :)
 
Is there more lag with semi-auto transmissions?

Interesting question, I suppose what really needs to be answered is whether you can complete a manual shift of clutch/select gear/release clutch quicker than pull lever/gear selected. I'm of the opinion that you simply can't, at least this is the case with upshifts.

Now downshifts is a whole different ball game.
 
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As nice as the F12 is, The Lambo is just soo much cooler and more raw! The raging bull!!
 
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Anyone have the new EVO? There is a LP700 vs F12 vs Vanquish test in there (not data test though).

Article ends like this ;)

"Perhaps understandbly , though most of the discussion is about Prancing Horse and the Raging Bull. The F12 is definitely more supercar than GT and so it's natural that after two days the Aventador feels like the closer rival. And they're incredibly hard to split. Yes, the Ferrari has an appealing layer of everyday useability, but then the Lamborghini wins on sheer visual drama. Driving it, listening to it, just being near it reintroduces me to the feeling of awe and wonder I had for exotic cars as a kid, 'says Nick of the Aventador.

He's not so keen on the Ferrari's looks, but nevertheless suggests the genius notion of a one-make tarmac rally championship for the F12, summing up in a nutshell how much fun it is to drive.

There's no doubt that the Ferrari is also on another level technologically and the whole industry is playing catch-up in that regard. But then there was the priceless smile on everyone's face after driving the Lambo and feeling in control of that monstrous V12 moving around behind them...

That both cars are as utterly intoxicating as their looks and spec sheets promise is an astounding achievement. But, with the argument going round in circles, it ultimately comes down to a simple choice of what you'd pick if you could only have one. When our votes are counted, it's two-one to the Aventador and its blue flames."

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I hope for a lots of updates next weeks!!

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