F-Type [Official] Jaguar F-Type

[Giannis]

To me, it looks like the block (like Kilcrohane claims) is same as the V8 block with nothing lopped off or shortened and it even has the space for the 4th pot or hole or whatever you want to call it where the 4th cylinder would go, except there is no cylinder there but instead there is some thing rectangular.

I don't know if this is regular practice to use the same casting for the block of a smaller engine that is derived from a bigger ngine. I never hard of it. I know S65 which is derived from S85 definitely has a shorter block than S85. Would be interesting to look at other examples.

What is interesting is that in Jaguar's block, they cylinders are "floating" inside the block. The biggest advantage is cooling, but this design has many drawbacks, too. For comparison, the cylinders' walls of BMW's S65 are fixed:

 

[Deckhook]

Here's a cut away of their V8 engine for comparison.

There's a serious amount of dead space in the V6 which frankly don't look right or normal.

 

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[rollo]

Tough match up for the F-type.

The Boxster is the benchmark in terms of value vs. performance. And it also seems like it is starting to shed some of the negative conotations it was given by the uninformed ("hairdressers car"). The Boxster deserves to be singled out as one of the best cars on the planet, especially dollar for dollar.

 

[Deckhook]

^+1, I've went on many a Porsche event driving both Boxsters and 911s back to back and never once did I come away for those events thinking the Boxster was the lesser car, in fact quite the opposite was true, IMO it's performance was always more assessable and it's limits far more forgiving. There's those that harp on about how a 911 makes you feel when you string all the corners together to make the perfect lap but I say why does a car need you to work so hard to achieve the same kind of results you'll get from a Boxster with in no time at all.

 

[rollo]

^+1, I've went on many a Porsche event driving both Boxsters and 911s back to back and never once did I come away for those events thinking the Boxster was the lesser car, in fact quite the opposite was true, IMO it's performance was always more assessable and it's limits far more forgiving. There's those that harp on about how a 911 makes you feel when you string all the corners together to make the perfect lap but I say why does a car need you to work so hard to achieve the same kind of results you'll get from a Boxster with in no time at all.

My wife owns a Boxster and I have driven my share of 911's and I mostly agree with your impressions. The only caveat I would add is that the 911 provides a more visceral experience, mostly based on power I suppose. I haven't driven the latest Porsche's so things may have changed. It sure sounds like the new Boxster S is a hoot to drive though.

The new F-type looks real good to these eyes but I just can't imagine that it is as engaging to drive as the Porsche's.

 

[Deckhook]

^On one of the events we spent roughly 15mins per car (Boxster, Boxster S, Carrera and Carrera S) with its 1 minute long lap we got about 12-13 good laps in each. My experience in each was that I instantly got into the groove with both Boxsters finding its handling sweet spot for the track but in either the Carerras my progress and gelling less forthcoming, lap times weren't that much slower but each lap had at least one or two scrappy corners and it was never the same two corners. It might be the more rewarding car to get right but like a game of Golf its equally as frustrating most of the time.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Look at that eh, biased, Jaguar payroll "shrills" making a Jaguar bashing correspondence letter of the week.

 

[Kilcrohane]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-rev...rsche-boxster-s-into-the-woods-65-1-roa0813-2

the reality:

F-type V6 weight: 3,839 lbs(1,741 kg), weight distribution F/R: 53/47 %

the bullsh*t:

LIGHTWEIGHT ALUMINIUM CONSTRUCTION ​

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F-TYPE’s lightweight aluminium body structure with high torsional rigidity is the ideal platform for a convertible sports car, and is fundamental to the way it performs, handles and feels. This strong, stiff structure provides an inherently stable platform for precise, agile handling and is the perfect complement to the high-performance engine range. Together they produce exceptional power-to-weight and torque-to-weight ratios - the real world measures of sports car performance. - ha ha ha!​

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ON BALANCE​

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Balanced and capable, F-TYPE’s exceptional handling starts with its physics. Its centre of gravity is as low as possible. Its even weight distribution has been meticulously engineered, right down to the locating of the battery and washer bottle at the rear.​

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source: http://www.jaguar.co.uk/f-type/​

The blatant lying of these clowns is gobsmacking.

The reason the above 'lightweight' V6 version is so heavy and nose-heavily unbalanced, almost like a FWD car, is the now known dirty secret of JLR Jaguar, that the 'new' V6 is actually a V8 block, so the engine has to extend further forward, unlike a real, shorter V6 would do.

Again, it will sell, to muppets who must be seen in the latest 'it' product, as hyped by the mainstream media for them, but like the now bombing Evoque - witness the adverts everywhere for it, even on this site - after a year or two max on sale it will quickly be forgotten about, as a flash in the pan, hyped up, cynical fashion item, especially once the now confirmed new Merc GT, going on sale in 2015, makes it look prehistoric.

PS the timings of Road and Track are all way off. There's no way on God's green earth that a 3,800 pound plus, only 375 hp, 2WD, slusher with no launch control bloater like the F-type, in ambient temp. of 48 deg. F, can do 0-60 mph in 4.2s, even less a 315 PS Boxster in 4.1 seconds. Add half a second a least to all these times to get to where they should be.

 

[martinbo]

I shan't be as vociferously nitpicky about a 6 % forwards weight bias, but what puts me off about the F-Type completely is the abysmal lack of luggage room which renders it useless as a touring car. A Boxster S is far more practical and useable for a dirty weekend away. I can't help but view the F-Type product as a poseur's vanity car.

 

[Kilcrohane]

what puts me off about the F-Type completely is the abysmal lack of luggage room which renders it useless as a touring car. A Boxster S is far more practical and usable for a dirty weekend away. I can't help but view the F-Type product as a poseur's vanity car.

- so, looks like people have finally twigged to the joke that is the F-type's boot:

'And despite the long-bonnet/cab-back stance, there should be a usable boot too – take note, F-type...'​

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- Georg Kacher, Car, 21/6/2013 http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret...Mercedes-C190-GT-sports-coupe-2016-spy-shots/​

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I highlighted the joke boot at time of launch on this thread, back in October:

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/2013-jaguar-f-type.44086/page-9#post-601586

http://www.germancarforum.com/community/threads/2013-jaguar-f-type.44086/page-10#post-601691

'Just going by the picture of the Auto Motor und Sport reporter putting his travel bag in the F-type's boot, I would seriously doubt if that boot truly holds 196 litres of volume. I would gauge his travel bag at around 40 litres volume size. There's no way in the world that boot looks capable of holding 4 or 5 of those, more like two, maybe three at a push/crush.​

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I genuinely think the F-type's small, shallow, impractical boot will come back to bite Jag on the backside.'​

In summary, just a couple of months after being on sale this 'Porsche Killer' has unravelled faster than a Wayne Rooney hair transplant.

The claims over its light weight, its 'new' V6, its 50/50 balance, its genuine sports car abilities, its threat to fight Porsche, its luggage accommodation... , have all already been exposed as flat out lies.

 

[Deckhook]

I think if you check in the past Audi's press releases states "optimise the axle load distribution" for the A5 which suggest it has perfect balance between axles but as we all know it doesn't have 50/50 and neither does the E9?M3 and E60M5 so you can beat up Jag for this but you should also take a swing at others too.

I do agree that the boot is a joke and I really hate how manufacturers claim a volume but in reality you can use all that available volume due to the shape.

 

[Kilcrohane]

neither does the E9?M3[have a 50/50 balance]

- I have never seen a test where an M3 had more than 51% of its weight on its front axle.

 

[Deckhook]

- I have never seen a test where an M3 had more than 51% of its weight on its front axle.

So what you are saying is 51% is OK but 53% isn't?

A bit hypocritical don't you think?

Oh and by the way the M6 is 54% at the front, point being that a company which prides itself on achieving 50/50 don't always get there even with their most focused of cars, this is just one example but I'm sure there's countless others which claim near perfect weight distribution but aren't within 1% of that.

I just think its about time you get off your soap box about JLR's failings and appreciate the fact they are turning the company around and building cars which people want to see and buy.

 

[Kilcrohane]

I just think its about time you get off your soap box about JLR's failings and appreciate the fact they are turning the company around and building cars which people want to see and buy.

yeah, whatever. I don't do arguments with cultists. you're even more incorrigible than the koolaid drinkers at JLR.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

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[Deckhook]

^I get the feeling that this car was designed for one country in particular.... the US of A.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

As much as I think the F-Type looks great from the back, the interior looks nice, and the V8S sounds amazing, I just couldn't see myself buying one. I just don't particularly like Jaguars.