M5 M Division : The Road Ahead : New World Order The New BMW M5.

[Mii]

^^Perhaps BMW will incorporate more updates as part of "new look" on M5.

Besides some obvious changes on exterior look:
- Different wheels.
- Different exhaust.
- Flared front and rear fenders.
- Different front bumper and kidney grills.
- Different rear bumper to accommodate quad pipes.
- Side vents and side indicator.
- Side mirrors.
- Anything missing?

Other changes may be possible? (e.g. as did in E90 M3)
- Different headlight.
- Different nose.
- Different hood and bonnet line/crease.

Overall this creates the new exterior look I suppose?

 

[Cashmere]

^^Perhaps BMW will incorporate more updates as part of "new look" on M5.

Besides some obvious changes on exterior look:
- Different wheels.
- Different exhaust.
- Flared front and rear fenders.
- Different front bumper and kidney grills.
- Different rear bumper to accommodate quad pipes.
- Side vents and side indicator.
- Side mirrors.
- Anything missing?

Other changes may be possible? (e.g. as did in E90 M3)
- Different headlight.
- Different nose.
- Different hood and bonnet line/crease.

Overall this creates the new exterior look I suppose?

Possibly a carbon roof? In some of the ring spy pics of the M5 it almost looks certain that the car has a CF roof.

 

[Mii]

BMW M Division: The Road Ahead

Possibly a carbon roof? In some of the ring spy pics of the M5 it almost looks certain that the car has a CF roof.

+1 The new M5 will indeed feature CFR according to SCOTT from this post.

Other M5 specific updates:
- Full aluminum platform
- Carbon fiber roof
- Carbon fiber body panel
- Aluminum body panel
- F1 style KERS brake energy regeneration system

I wonder what's the price strategy on M5?

 

[SCOTT27]

M Division : The Road Ahead

New World Order - The New BMW M5.

Whilst it's true that the M Division has come in for quite a few comments regarding current product or lets not beat about the bush The BMW X5 M and BMW X6 M. Identified as the "next Chapter" in M. Derided by enthusiasts and journalists alike. Has the M Division lost it? Has the M Division lost it's focus? Does M stand for marketing now?
Does the M philosophy no longer remain pertinent?

Are some of the comments.

The Pinnacle of Efficient Dynamics.

With the creation of BMW Efficient Dynamics. Technology aimed at reducing fuel consumption without sacrificing driving pleasure and carbon dioxide emissions spreading throughout the BMW portfolio. One question remained unanswered how will the M Division benefit ? And how will the M division remain relevant in the long term?

BMW M Division will become the pinacle of Efficient Dynamics. Welcome to the Brave New World of Performance.

Lightweight construction.

BMW M cars will now seperate themselves from the core cars by utilising the same platform but for the relevant M model. The floorplan will be pressed in aluminium. As the core 5er begins to use lightweight materials such as aluminium on the door and bonnet skins, these will transfer over as will an optional Carbon Fibre reinforced roof - A first for an M5 , and a first for a BMW performance sedan.

BMW Active Aerodynamics

First showcased on the GINA Concept Car - A car that was way ahead of it's time and key component in the BMW Efficient Dynamics programme.
In principle to reduce drag and boost downforce and lower fuel consumption. Special Aerodynamic aids that will move automatically incorporated in the front of the car including the outeredge of the wheel arches , front bumpers and within the grille intake. Mini Turbines are incorporated in the grille which convert drag under braking into electricity.

KERS (Kinetic Energy recovery System)

The new M5 will spearhead a radical addition to further reduce consumption. Conceived well within when BMW were still commencing with their F1 Programme. With KERS developed for the F1 car , BMW also created a synergy for an application of such a system to a road car.
Successfully applied to the Road Car division the KERS developed by M division consists of an on-off-on again programme involving
Twin Parallell Supercapacitors between the driveshaft providing 10 sec power boost at the press of a button. The idea is to have stored up the energy and allow the driver to unleash the power on demand. An adaption of this idea will feature in the six cylinder Active Hybrid 5 Concept Car that will be shown in Geneva in March 2010.
Tests carried out within the confines of BMW's private proving grounds are ongoing as the KERS is relatively new tech. The development of the new car remains in status.

The Importance of Character

The V10 in the E60 M5 is truly a work of art. Although a V10 was considered and remains as a possible venture for an additional M model.
The new car inherits the V8 engine found within the BMW X5 and X6 M models. Although BMW stress that the engine will be unique to the M5 with Just under 580 PS.
The V8 although shared with the X5M and X6M is completely individual and unique to the M5. With BMW adapting the engine to suit the M5 and it’s character it’s not a complete transplant. Character in an M5 is essential as is sound. The engine has to synergize with the DKG Transmission and the KERS.
The V8 will in turn be faster and more powerful than the outgoing V10 and sound just as spectacular.
The V8 will also feature cylinder shutdown also to aid fuel consumption with overall figures expected to be between 25-30% better than the E60 M5.

Aswell as a unique engine , The M5 will inherit a Dual clutch transmission which will be unique to the M5, based upon the 7 speeder found within the current M3 , eight Gears will be available and will be equipped with a stop-start control. The DCT will also be operated with steering wheel mounted paddles. The M5 although not at first will also be available with optional Carbon Fibre brakes, currently being trialled.
Customisable driving options will also feature as will a new electronic stability control with torque vectoring and roll control.
Efficient Dynamics features will also be available from the touch of a switch.

Designed for Performance

The M5's secret has always been to remain understated and discreet on the outside , but within lies the beast.
Typical M5 and BMW M aerodynamic features adorn the car. With the new 5er central grille being much larger the central intake size has been diminished , although the brake outlets are larger. Wheel arches are swollen to add some mass on the F10's athletic muscle. A side air intake is placed underneath the character line which climaxes at the wheel arch.
The Side skirts are more sculptured alllowing for good aerodynamics.
At the rear the typical Quad exhausts remain with a sculpted diffuser and central intake. A small bootlid spoiler allows the car to remain understated.
and restrained.

What Comes After?

In addition to the standard luxury performance sedan BMW will offer a more hardcore model in the same vain as the BMW M5 CSL 25th anniversary car. Swapping Luxuries for Performance and being as hardcore as they come. Not available at first but coming on steam eighteen months later. BMW want to expand the M cars by having the core model and something more inclined for enthusiasts.

A Touring model is under consideration.

Just as BMW teased the E60. The F10 BMW M5 will bow as a Production concept at the 2011 Geneva Autoshow with the production model debuting in the early summer before the world premiere at the IAA Frankfurt in 2011. European sales begin at the same time.

 

[Wunderkind]

Thanks Scott

Glad to learn the V10 engine may live on in another performance model.

2011 is a looooooooooong wait. By that time, the Mercedes AMG 5.5L twin-turbo powerplant would be out and it would be a battle royale between the M5 and the E55 (and the CLS55).

I also like how BMW is the first manufacturer to use the KERS technology on a road car to enhance the performance of the M5.

Scott, how much is the new M5 going to cost? It has so many toys and innovative features that it will probably be even more expensive than the current M5. My fear is, BMW risk pricing the M5 too far above the Mercedes E63 AMG, the Audi RS6, and Jaguar XFR and end up being a commercial failure.

 

[m-power]

Sounds very good....
Is so much details brought so early a means of holding back potential buyers from purchasing an RS6 or E63??? Probably. While M is the heart and soul of the BMW brand motorsport, it still also not "marketing" free ...

I have a feeling the M5 will be an instant king. Bye Bye E63 and RS

I hope they do give the M5 touring a greenlight... The superfast families shouldn't sffer

 

[Sunny]

So 580 ps, 8 speed DCT, CF roof, torque vectoring, active aero stuff - sounds like a technological tour de force. Hopefully it is fun too.

Is the 580ps with or without the KERS?

 

[Mii]

Interesting updates on the new M5, including all the fuel improvement technology and light weight materials used. This will be the first 8-speed DCT on the M car? This should have been available on X5/X6M so it gets thoroughly tested.

 

[tikipukapuko]

whats up with power boost button...what happens after 10 seconds?????

 

[LaArtist]

I dont think it will have KERS..
Not in 2010..in a car of that class..

 

[Merc1]

Wow...sounds like it will re-write the rules of the segment again. Now this is what M is about. If you're going to throw away the old way the new way should be something spectacular, the above sounds like it will be just that.

M

 

[Mr Robert]

What Comes After?

In addition to the standard luxury performance sedan BMW will offer a more hardcore model in the same vain as the BMW M5 CSL 25th anniversary car. Swapping Luxuries for Performance and being as hardcore as they come. Not available at first but coming on steam eighteen months later. BMW want to expand the M cars by having the core model and something more inclined for enthusiasts.

Expected development (and in a sense, a re-run of the Cecotto/Winkelhock). The the real Motorsport car presented when the "image-not-product" people have bought the Marketing car. Sorry, I'll take that back, I was actually not expecting BMW to build more than the latter.

One thing that is really good about this strategy is that once the public have had their say about the standard car, there is enough time to make the car perfect for the launch of the "real" M5. I'm all for this.

Are we looking at seriously limited numbers on the driving enthusiast's edition?

 

[Nikos120i]

Great post Scott!!

Thanks for sharing!

 

[gdm]

Wow,sounds great.Hopefully the new M5 surpass Porsche Panamera turbo S in performance.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Very interesting information.

I'm not too sure I should go from an M3 with a CFRP as standard, to a much more expensive M5 and then have to pay extra for the CFRP. Why is it not standard?

My heart sank when I read it will have the engine from the X5/X6 M, but the few sentences after that give me a bit of hope.

 

[NarutoRamen]

I really want to see how active aero will be utilized. Will actually be functional, or just a marketing talking point.

 

[aleks_16]

Don´t worry martinbo. BMW will suprise you

 

[PanterroR]

Martin, thanks bro!

I am genuinely concerned about this anodyne, turbo-muffled V8. Will it be a character match for the expected insanely handsome looks of the F10 M5? Go on BMW, surprise me.

I'm sure they will surprise all of us.

The bar will be raised again and others will need to be Sergey Bubka to match it...

 

[martinbo]

Thanks aleks and Tyc...

By the way - shite - I'm only reading SCOTT's M5 thread now. I sound like a bit of an echo in retrospect. So many threads; each one of them discussing the new M5. What a pain in the ass to follow and manage.

 

[AdvEvo]

Betty for the M5 does not matter if it s a turbo or not.

M5 and X5M and X6M will never be thru motorsport cars to big and to heavy to begin with. I don t even see the point of bringing carbon parts to this car.

What s the point of bringing 1800 plus kg to 1795 kg. Look at the weights of the X5M. It s like jeremy said it s a pointless car. I rather take a 3.0 diesel to my winter holiday so i don t have to stop with each petrol station. This new M5 wil never go under 1500kg even that s on the heavy side.

These car are bought by people who want fast sporty people carriers. So turbo is perfect for that purpose.

But ///M Motorsport is something else. We need lightweight cars and NA high rev engines for that. Let s just hope the 1 series will be the thru motorsport car from bmw in the future. Agile NA under 1300kg etc.