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I was corresponding with my retired Mercedes-Benz salesman friend, Mr. Schultz, and he told me this:

C400 - 4Matic DE also Benziner – 4 Liter V6 Biturbo Direkteinspritzer mit 408 PS. Null auf 100 km/h in 4 Sekunden!! Das wäre doch was, oder ???


I asked him if he was joking and he asked if read Autobild?


Lieber Herr Wimmer,

es stand sogar schon in der letzten AutoBild – nur - wer soll bei uns so ein Auto kaufen ? Mit freundlichen Grüßen CHS


I will need to check this out, but basically, this C400 will be available in 4Matic and make use of a 4-l V6 engine with biturbo forced induction and have 408-horsepower. 0-100 km/h is estimated to be in 4 seconds.

Like I said, I will need to look for this in the last Autobild. If it's true, it looks like this is Mercedes' answer against the BMW 335i.

EDIT: It's true!

Bring it on!

That would be awesome! But, what's then with C63?

That's what I am wondering. Maybe the upcoming C63 AMG will be faster than 4 seconds to 100 km/h!

You won't see that...

Well, I can't wait for the C63 AMG to debut.

I'm with you!

sure if they can keep the price down. A car that cost twice as much as 335i I dont consider a competitor to 335i.

Or maybe Mercedes will claim this car opens up another innovative segment in the history of the automobile!

wow damn thats one heck of a engine..
but 4s no way.. more like 4.8 maybe
around 4.2 for C63 if it gets 480hp

I agree. Maybe Mr. Schultz meant 5 seconds...

I would reckon they should go with a lighter, smaller twin-turbocharged engine for the AMG version. A 4.0 V6 Twin-Turbo with 460 Bhp with two mini turbos for each three cylinders (just like in the BMW 335i) would do fine, because there would not be any turbo-lag at all and the weight at the front would be a whole lighter than a big V8 shoehorned under the bonnet.

Besides, smaller Turbocharged engines are new trend from now on; because they are more powerful and yet they are more economical and pollute less than a bigger normally aspirated engine. Expect to see the return of the Golf GTI 1.6 with 4 mini turbos for each pair of cylinders producing 400 Bhp.

CHECK THE FIRST PAGE, I POSTED A SHORT SCAN FROM AUTOBILD. APPARENTLY MERCEDES IS REALLY WORKING ON THIS CAR!!!

Lol thats the MB we all know and love..
kill the competition with almost 100hp more..haha

and with a price twice as much. good kill

It mentions something about TFSI 333PS, what is that all about Christian? And wow a C400 4-matic?! That would be able to take on a RS4 in acceleration!

That's the Audi high-performance engine designed to take on the BMW 335i and the Mercedes C400 Biturbo. It's a 3-l engine, probably a V6 and TFSI I suppose is some sort of stratified fuel injection (probably Audi's label of direct injection).

I have to edit my first post. The C400 Biturbo will be availble only in 4Matic according to this.

and when is the engine coming, 2007, 2008, 2009?

Btw, AutoBild also reported few weeks ago Aston Martin was sold to LVMH Group.

The C400 performance numbers are odd.
Why?

A non AMG car below 4sec? C'mon!
And a C-class! A sedan! C'mon!

What then the AMG cars? Or even AMG coupes?
C'mon, SLR does in 3.8sec! So if C400 does 0-100kmh in 4sec. Will the C AMG do it below 4sec? Thats then in SLR range!!! C AMG in SLR range???

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But V6 bi-turbo 4.0L 400+HP engine seems possible - but not to take on 335i, but as a substitute to 388HP V8 engine (eg. instead of CLK500).

It will be in a different price segment than 335i.

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Regarding BMW N54 engine: why do you think BMW went turbo? Greater performance, less fuel consumption, lighter engine, and easier up-tuning. 306PS was a marketing decided output - this baby is capable of much more. And BMW is already technologically upgrading the engine - also due the stiff competition from Audi & MB. So expect BMW to boost N54 output soon.

^fun for those who just got their 335´s.. upgrade so soon

obviously that 4s figure is supposed to be 5s so dont put any more weight on that

There is no V8 in the C class..so it wont replace anything
and it wont replace the 500 as the 500 is a classic MB engine..and a fairly new one at that..so it should get a bost if this comes along

and the price class??

well MB´s are always more expenisve it wont be doubble the price of the 335 that is just nutts.. that like 80K euro then..
im guessing around 50-55K euro.. that is approx 10-15 K more than the 335...
i would pay that for 100hp more ,,and most likely a shit load of more torque..

I doubt that is happening. its not like 350 engiens and 500 engines are cheaper than the 335i. Stop dreaming Artist, that C400 wont be cheap.

guys i think that in order for this car to be as praised as the 335 the actuall C class needs to be great..
lets see if that is the fact..

if it sucks it doesent matter how many hp it has

Wow you are talking to me

50-55K, we know nothing yet about this C400 or if its coming at all. For now its only speculations from us all.

EDIT; Artist you are really a special guy, editing your post becuase you happen to talk to me by a "mistake". You really hate me that much

What an interesting thread.....C400 with a bi-turbo 4.0L V6 and 4 matic?

If the HP estimates are true, then this car a big step above the current C350, 335i and into potential AMG/M/RS territory.

If this car goes into production, the only way I can see it make sense is if the new M3 will be priced significanly higher than the old M3. Which means the C63 will also be much more expensive than the old C55.....which leaves room for a non-AMG C-class to fill in the price range between the C350 and C63 AMG.

And there is no way they will make a non-AMG C-class outperform the AMG version.

I just can't see any of this being true. First of all 4L V6 is literally too big, the NVH would be truck-like and it would require Mercedes to really go to work on getting refinement out of it. Secondly, a 400hp non-AMG C-Class just doesn't make sense, IMO. I think that report about a SL350 with a 324hp turbo 3.5L V6 makes more sense and that will be the engine in the C350 after the first model year for the W204 is complete. I can't see that much engine/power in a non-AMG C-Class. If a C400 is going to have 400hp and perform like that then the C63 is virtually pointless. I'll go on the record here as having said that this is no-go, won't happen. Mercedes will update their V6s next year, but 400hp, nah..more like 310-340hp.

M

Agreed Merc 1, the HP figure simply doesn't make sense.