Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring


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Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

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Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.

Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.


But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."


In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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This is what I've been telling you guys. The Japanese and American car manufacturer's have turned ring lap times into an immature d*ck measuring contest rather than using it as a test bed. Although the GT-R is an amazing car I've never been hyped up about it since we had no in formation on how the laptime was acheived.

These manufacturer's do what ever it takes to "break records" and sometimes do so using a non-fully production ready car. Differences can be racing tires, tweaked ECU or suspension that was switched out before full production commenced.
 
Yeah, I was expecting this a lot earlier. At 1st I did not believe the GTR can be this much faster than the GT2 or the Turbo, but then after all these road testing done by all the car magazines, I am convinced. I read from somewhere thath the GTR requires a unique driving style, you got to be brutal with it, maybe that is what the porsche test driver didn't do ?

Nissan can clear this up by giving the 911 product chief a ride with Toshio Suzuki at the ring.
 
Thats why I trust more in independent tests were the same driver been used.
Factory times I never use for a comparison with other cars since you cant be for sure its its production car or whats been done with the testcar and its a different driver.

Oh N-ring is a high speed track dont forget that.
 
Yeah, I was expecting this a lot earlier. At 1st I did not believe the GTR can be this much faster than the GT2 or the Turbo, but then after all these road testing done by all the car magazines, I am convinced. I read from somewhere thath the GTR requires a unique driving style, you got to be brutal with it, maybe that is what the porsche test driver didn't do ?

Nissan can clear this up by giving the 911 product chief a ride with Toshio Suzuki at the ring.

The GT2 is not called a widow maker for nothing. It's a brutally fast car but requires a highly skilled driver. So if a Porsche test driver can managed to make the GT2 dance neatly around the ring at rocket speed he should be able to drive the GT-R like there's no tomorrow.

Point is that the GT-R is said to be very easy to drive and with Porsche having a long history in motor sport driving the GT-R brutally should be a breeze. The engines in the CGT, TT, GT2 and GT3 are all racing derived designed tollerating insane amounts of abuse and over/revving, heck they are all dry sump. So there's no need to question the pedigree of Porsche's capability of testing cars.
 
I have an idea. Porsche should let Toshio Suzuki to take the GT2 for a ride to see what time he can achieve with the car.
Maybe he can be faster than the Porsche team.
 
I have an idea. Porsche should let Toshio Suzuki to take the GT2 for a ride to see what time he can achieve with the car.
Maybe he can be faster than the Porsche team.

Yes that would be great and I'm pretty sure that Porsche would be up to that. Although he might end up killing himself in the process of driving the GT2:D Doubt that he can drive the car better than Walter Rohrl or any of Porsche's Nurburgring speed demons.
 
The GT2 is not called a widow maker for nothing. It's a brutally fast car but requires a highly skilled driver. So if a Porsche test driver can managed to make the GT2 dance neatly around the ring at rocket speed he should be able to drive the GT-R like there's no tomorrow.

Point is that the GT-R is said to be very easy to drive and with Porsche having a long history in motor sport driving the GT-R brutally should be a breeze. The engines in the CGT, TT, GT2 and GT3 are all racing derived designed tollerating insane amounts of abuse and over/revving, heck they are all dry sump. So there's no need to question the pedigree of Porsche's capability of testing cars.
I am not questioning Porsche's capability of testing cars, what I was saying is that maybe the Porsche test driver is driving the GTR like a Porsche, so maybe they can't get the best out of the car.
 
Put Walter behind the wheel instead of this "Ring-expert".
 
Put Walter behind the wheel instead of this "Ring-expert".
Yeah they should try that as well. Walter is a rally championship so he should be quite skilled with four wheel driven cars. He managed to drive the GT2 around the ring in 7.32 seconds, though the weather condition might have been different than during the day the ring-expert compared drove the GT2.
 
This is what I've been telling you guys. The Japanese and American car manufacturer's have turned ring lap times into an immature d*ck measuring contest
Isn't porsche the one that started everything ? Rohrl did with CGT such time on the nurburg, the new Tyrbo is 4 s faster on the nurburg...
 
Well, this adds up very well with Sport Autos result of 7:50 for the GTR of unknown origin. But then again, we can rest assured that we have not heard the last of this matter... there will be accusations of foul play.
 
We do have to remember that every Nissan GTR has different power due to different gearboxes built for that only one specific engine:usa7uh: Which will be a bitch to get parts or even replace...Bye bye money:eusa_doh:
 
I can't wait to see how Nissan are going to respond to this. The only way of resolving this would be through an arm-wrestle type of dual where both manufactures are present at the ring testing the cars together.
 
I can't wait to see how Nissan are going to respond to this. The only way of resolving this would be through an arm-wrestle type of dual where both manufactures are present at the ring testing the cars together.
I would like this to happen as well. If Nissan has nothing to hide, they can back it up, I don't see why not.
 
This is very interesting,i really hope NISSAN strikes back soon,the GT-R is one of my fav cars at present and i hope it turns out as beating the Porsches:D
 
I would like this to happen as well. If Nissan has nothing to hide, they can back it up, I don't see why not.

True. It's time for Nissan to walk the talk. Somehow it's amusing how Porsche refuse to beaten and purchased a GT-R to see if it was for real.

Now that Porsche have announced themselves as the official Nurburgring police hopefully manufacturer's will be stop boasting and bragging about realistically unachievable lap times.
 

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