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BMW confirms M5 with 4WD - Autocar.co.uk
Consider me pumped. The M5 could use go anywhere ability X driver offers with what will probably be blunderbuss performance. Powder covered doughnuts anyone??
M5 Autocar: AWD F10 M5 at the ready
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The BMW M5 is a high-performance variant of the BMW 5 Series marketed under the BMW M sub-brand. It is considered an iconic vehicle in the sports saloon category. The first M5 model was hand-built beginning in late 1984 on the E28 535i chassis with a modified engine from the M1 that made it the fastest production saloon at the time. M5 models have been produced for every generation of the 5 Series since 1984, with occasional gaps in production (1995 to 1998, 2023 to 2024). Official website: BMW M
BMW confirms M5 with 4WD - Autocar.co.uk
Consider me pumped. The M5 could use go anywhere ability X driver offers with what will probably be blunderbuss performance. Powder covered doughnuts anyone??
ACE
Autobahn Adventurer
well, certainly not in Sydney Australia...
but I thought Kay Segler said that M didn't want to add X-drive to the M5 because of the extra 100kgs.
EnI
Piston Pioneer
1.
M GmbH directors only do what they are told by BMW AG directors. Sure they have their own POVs, but in the end the decision from Munich prevails, Garching can only advise & make arguments. Why do you think there is such a fluctuation when it comes to M GmbH Head?
2.
M (and AMG as well) are losing to Porsche & Audi in the markets where AWD is a necessity. BMW & MB are only able to sell AMG & M SUVs there successfully - since they are AWD. Even Porsche offers AWD on 911 & Panamera. Not to mention another VAG's stallion (or should I say bull ...
): the Lamborghini. Why do you think Ferrari came up with FF? And there will also be others Ferraris with AWD.
So, expect optional AWD for AMG & M car models as well in the future. And don't be surprised when AWD is offered as an option on Maybach & Rolls-Royce cars too.
Since it's an option ... What's the harm? The RWD enthusiasts can still pick the RWD models, but the ones who really need and want an AWD, will be able to get it optionally. Win - win.
It's a fight for market niches where VAG brands (Audi RS, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini) still dominate.
PS: the AWD M info has quite a long beard.
M GmbH directors only do what they are told by BMW AG directors. Sure they have their own POVs, but in the end the decision from Munich prevails, Garching can only advise & make arguments. Why do you think there is such a fluctuation when it comes to M GmbH Head?
2.
M (and AMG as well) are losing to Porsche & Audi in the markets where AWD is a necessity. BMW & MB are only able to sell AMG & M SUVs there successfully - since they are AWD. Even Porsche offers AWD on 911 & Panamera. Not to mention another VAG's stallion (or should I say bull ...
): the Lamborghini. Why do you think Ferrari came up with FF? And there will also be others Ferraris with AWD. So, expect optional AWD for AMG & M car models as well in the future. And don't be surprised when AWD is offered as an option on Maybach & Rolls-Royce cars too.
Since it's an option ... What's the harm? The RWD enthusiasts can still pick the RWD models, but the ones who really need and want an AWD, will be able to get it optionally. Win - win.
It's a fight for market niches where VAG brands (Audi RS, Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini) still dominate.
PS: the AWD M info has quite a long beard.
EnI; October 2006 said:
I think it might be a popular option. I'd like to see it on the future M3 as well. If they can manage to keep the weight down it shouldn't be an issue for anything except maybe the purists who can still choose RWD. If I remember correctly, Ferrari FF AWD system weighs only what, 30, 35 kg? Nowhere near the 100kg people seem to associate as the AWD "penalty".
EnI
Piston Pioneer
We still don't know the official F10 M5 weight vs the F10 550i weight!
But it's obvious the BMW Large platform is still too heavy. But bare in mind that when the platform was planned the alu prices were record high, and BMW was not in position to purchase alu at prices eg. VAG could. Don't estimate the VAG's enormous purchase power!
I'm sure the next BMW Large platform will feature much more alu than the current does. Not to mention - at least in M models - CFRP will be used at greater degree than today.
The new platforms are based on economy of scales due to it's totally modular design: so the platform will be used from 2er to 8er, and beyond - up to RR Ghost family. The Small platform will be used for MINI, sub-1er & 1er families. BMW tends to use LifeDrive platform, while the RR Phantom will have it's own special platform, like today.
But it's obvious the BMW Large platform is still too heavy. But bare in mind that when the platform was planned the alu prices were record high, and BMW was not in position to purchase alu at prices eg. VAG could. Don't estimate the VAG's enormous purchase power!
I'm sure the next BMW Large platform will feature much more alu than the current does. Not to mention - at least in M models - CFRP will be used at greater degree than today.
The new platforms are based on economy of scales due to it's totally modular design: so the platform will be used from 2er to 8er, and beyond - up to RR Ghost family. The Small platform will be used for MINI, sub-1er & 1er families. BMW tends to use LifeDrive platform, while the RR Phantom will have it's own special platform, like today.
The AWD system on the FF is very clever and so far it is one of its kind, firstly it is a light duty, part time system that only activates under specific set of parameters so the system can be light and compact. Secondly, because it is connected directly to the engine, the layout of the system is simplified, so there is more weight saving there. Lets see what BMW can come up with this time.
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
I too think it will be a popular option, most of all because 9 out of 10 cars in this segment leaves the factory fully specced. Who would leave a box unticked?
Surely it can't be above 2,000 kgs, right? I can't believe I have such low expectations for the M5. But on the other hand, this is more of an authobahn cruiser these days, so weight doesn't matter that much anymore.
We still don't know the official F10 M5 weight vs the F10 550i weight!
But it's obvious the BMW Large platform is still too heavy. But bare in mind that when the platform was planned the alu prices were record high, and BMW was not in position to purchase alu at prices eg. VAG could. Don't estimate the VAG's enormous purchase power!
Is this the reason why BMW abandoned the aluminium+steel monocoque hybrid structure used on the E60?
CFRP roof for all future M sports cars? I was disappointed that the 1M doesn't even have it as an option.
Zafiro
Supreme Roadmaster
There is already a M3 GTS and there will be a lightweight M3 E90. And who knows, there might come lightversion of 1M one day
Merc1
Premium
Correct. Might as well join the bandwagon on what everyone else has been doing. I'll catch up on the excuses as to why this was done later. If the trend becomes I4s and FWD will M do that too?
M
Mr Robert
Kraftwagen König
There is already a M3 GTS and there will be a lightweight M3 E90. And who knows, there might come lightversion of 1M one day
Yep! M is not gone, M's position is just very different from what it was.
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