German Car Forum

The car is looking great, shame the engine sounds so damn flat...

The car is looking really Hott, but I don't think that the sound from the vid will be final.

I sincerely hope you are right as the M5 is number one on my list to replace my M3, but I fear the almost silent exhaust note on the vids will be final. It's basically the same engine as the X5/X6 M, which is dull to the extreme, so I'm just wondering on what basis do you think the real thing will sound good?


Without wishing to start the usual backlash that I seem to generate whenever I post something negative about a BMW, but I fail to see what is stunning here.

Whilst the photographs are indeed very good and show the car "in action", it just looks like an ordinary 5 Series with a disguise on. I like the 5 Series but I just cannot see what is stunning here.

Maybe when it's revealed it will look stunning, but these shots don't show that.

I disagree Betty, this car looks much better than the "plain" F10. I think it will look great once the rest of the camo comes off. I am thinking understated but aggressive. Just like the E39M!

Don't we have spy shots of the E60 M5 somewhere to compare?

I think you are right klier, I am not a fan of the E60M though, I think it is a little over-the-top style wise. I'll take the understated, albeit conservative, look any day. And that's where I think the F10M is going to end up.

Right about what? lol, I asked because the difference between a regular E60 and M5 is rather big, and maybe that's not possible to see in those old spy shots either. I've looked, but can't find any spy shots of the E60 M5....

And I don't think the M5 is going to be conservative like the E39 M5. The F10 5er is conservative enough as it is, the M5 could use some spice!

Betty I sincerely hope that I'm right too, cos the X5/6M does sound crap. It's wierd, at idle it sounds menacing like it has potential but rev it and it sounds like a run of the mill 116i.

My saving grace is that all previous M5s sound awsome and hope that BMW will continue the trend.

Here's what I could find of the E60 M5 testing after a quick Google search:

Here's another rendering of the F10 M5 which I don't think has been posted in this thread:






I posted these CGI's not because I believe they're completely accurate of what the car will look like (coz the front is a copy-paste of the current M3, and the rear a copy-paste of the M3 sedan)..but more so to show all the other little design elements which the current F10 mules don't have..such as the aggressive side skirts, M-gills on the side, sporty side mirrors, and of course the entire rear bumper and diffuser.

I sincerely hope that BMW don't cope the idea of simply modeling the new M5 on the M3, this car needs to be more subtle than that.

Have you heard the sound of X5M or X6M which have the same engine? They are no comparison to E60 M5 either. Just the nature of TT engine.

This page shows the contradictions customers want and how you NEVER can satisfy everybody. You have people saying the engine is to subtle, too flat, want more oumph ... and other people want a subtle body-kit, not like the M3, less "wild".

I'm faily confident we will get a nice agressive look with an engine that will sound normal in normal use ( like the E90 M5, which some said sounded like a diesel on start-up ) and roars when you give it the beans. Because that's when you want it to roar.

Two more - same photo position, but different angular:





http://www.icedsoul.de/2010/05/motor...-nordschleife/

Man this will be such a nice car..
I cant wait..
Is it due for Paris??

Correct, sat in the passenger seat alongside salesperson in a new X5 ///M @ local dealer whilst he drove me and two other 'potential customers' for a short drive around their facility. IN and OUT the sound is to my distaste compared to my 50i - FACT!

NO! Not the TT engine, the TT ///M Engine that is My 50i's soundtrack has what it takes...think E53 4.4i / 4.8is and you will get the idea of the X6 X-drive 50i. The TT V8 ///M's soundtrack has no deep down growl nor does it sounds like a V8 at all.

OK. On what basis are you confident? Because we know it's going to be based on the 4.4 V8 TT from the X5/X6 M, which is silent and dull even under full acceleration. In the numerous spy videos we've seen of the F10 M5 testing it sounds extremely dull, even under hard driving. So please tell me why you are "confident".

Lets not confuse some posting in this thread as potential customers Rik.

I think most customers are looking for the same qualities from the F10M in general. Proper tone from the engine, more speed/power, improved handling and steering, lighter weight, more subdued than the E60M style-wise with fuel economy being quite low on the list.

Now I know there are more brutal sounds, but calling this X5/X6M engine silent and dull, IMO, is hardly fair


Like I said, even the mighty V10 sounded like a diesel on start-up, but howled once pinned to the floor. This car is also still being tested, and in the world of butterfly-valves like today, and other trickery, engine sound can be altered/improved at the last minute.

It would also make sense to have the SUV sound less aggressive ( more prone to be used as a family car ) compared to the ultimate M-car that still remains the M5. Although that might be speculative, I admit. That's why I said "fairly confident" and not "100% certain"

Maybe we are viewing things differently, in my opinion the kind of person looking for an aggressive engine note and styling should be looking for an M3 and not an M5 which is geared towards business executives and bankers among others. The average year difference between an M3 and M5 buyer will show that they aren't one in the same customer.

I personally never liked the M5 to drive, finding it's gearbox and suspension at odds with the expectations of what this caliber of car is believed to portray. This might also explain why it never had the same success as the M3 in both sales and group tests. My opinion is the new car will be design to meet the right market, with more refinement in both it's ride quality, gear shift and engine note, and this time round I reckon it will be the one to beat and could be BMW finest car in it's lineup.

Exactly. There are a lot of people posting what an M5 should be yet how many are in the market for one? It's a complete joke. The M5 is number one on my list. I'm a potential customer. And I'm being told what I want. Unbelievable.

[quote=RikfromBelgium;460469]Now I know there are more brutal sounds, but calling this X5/X6M engine silent and dull, IMO, is hardly fair.

It sounds dull. Ordinary. It sounds no different to the standard 4.4 V8 in the 50i.

And? This DOESN'T howl when the throttle is pinned to the floor. The reason is V10 compared with V8 TT. Simple as that.


I would guess you are going to be very disappointed, not that you should care as I don't believe you are in the market for the M5.

If people want a family car then the 50i is plenty fast enough.

What's wrong with people buying the 550i then and saving 30K? I don't think the M5 has to cater to executives who want a comfortable car. If it's too aggressive for them then they can buy the 550i.

That's my whole point. The M has to be distinct from the lesser models and the X5/X6 M and it looks like the F10 M5 won't offer enough over the 550i.

[QUOTE=Betty Swollocks;460475]Exactly. There are a lot of people posting what an M5 should be yet how many are in the market for one? It's a complete joke. The M5 is number one on my list. I'm a potential customer. And I'm being told what I want. Unbelievable.

euhm, where are people telling you what you want? And to be honest, you do go arround telling people what M really is, no? Are you the only customer? No not really.

You also ignored the comment that the sound might change, except another opinion on that it won't, because you think so. The difference is, once again, although I clearly state I'm not certain about this, you still hold your opinion as absolute truth. Seriously, you have issues. Even going against market-evolution that thesedays an SUV is considered more a family car ( even when the spec's might say no, fashion says yes ) than a sedan, those are facts.

Next you state the 550i is plenty fast. And as the bodykit isn't on the car yet, am I right in thinking that might not really matter either? since you're already dissing the car?

So, to conclude, just because the M5 doesn't sound right to you in a test video, you're already betting to be dissapointed? Doesn't matter what the spec's are, because we don't know them. Doesn't matter what the kit will look like, because we can't see it yet. Simply the noise it makes. Yeah, you're a true M-fanatic, not a poser at all who cares about badge and external stuff like ... sound ... ah right, crap

also, stating how it matters if people are or aren't in the market matters for a reply, kinda against forum rules, be careful with that.

[quote=RikfromBelgium;460478]"Ignored your comment that the sound might change"? I ignored it because there's nothing to say to that. Yeah, it might. It might not as well. What do you want me to say?

I'm afraid I'm finding it difficult to understand what you've written as it's poorly executed and quite amateurish.

In essence, I think you're accusing me of being unfairly pessimistic towards a car which isn't yet released.

Well, no. I think people can already tell what to expect to some degree, based on what we know.

The key thing for me is that the 'ordinary' BMW's such as the 550i have closed the gap to the M version. It appears we are going to get a quicker 550i in the M5.

We have a twin-turbo V8 with the 550i. We have active suspension in the 550i. We have superb performance in the 550i. We have a great looking car in the 550i

It's the fact that I don't want to spend 30K more for an M5 when all I am going to gain is a higher state of tune and eight tenths from 0-100km/h. This is because I don't buy my cars for the badge. I want something more from the driving experience and I'm concerned that the M5 just isn't going to offer enough over the 550i to justify it.

But there are others who will disagree and good luck to them. But maybe I'd rather put my money towards a one year old GT3 rather than a new M5.

What IO think is that they are tunning the M5 exhaust to sound as the V10, not with the same rage as a AMG engine for example, but to be more similar to the traditional M sound.

[QUOTE=Betty Swollocks;460490]ah, it might not is a good thing, one of the few times you're not sharing absolute truth. we're getting there.

And to be fair, you've been pessimistic about this car from day one. Page 6 you named "dissapointment orange "as a color, that was like your third post, and none have been the slightest positive. yes we have some info, the way we interpret it though is personal, yours tend to be negative. In fact, the only positive thing I've read from you the last months was concerning the GT concept, which is a car you can't buy. I'm guessing that's why you like it, since every slight change for the production car will give a chance to change that opinion and show how you liked it at first, as a the BMW-adept you truly are .

IMO, if you're hoping for the M5 to live up to the GT3, get the GT3. Totally unrealistic expectations. M5 is/never expected to go against a lightweight coupé Porsche. Seriously, what are you expecting for this car? ( and that's a true question )

Also, first you're questioning my opinion since I'm not in the market for an M5, next you're dissing my English, not my native tongue. Try to keep the discussion on track, personal attacks are not allowed on the forum.