M3/M4 (SportAuto) And the M3 GTS Nurburgring lap time is....


The BMW M3 is a high-performance version of the BMW 3 Series, developed by BMW's in-house motorsport division, BMW M GmbH. M3 models have been produced for every generation of 3 Series since the E30 M3 was introduced in 1986. The BMW M4 is a high-performance version of the BMW 4 Series automobile developed by BMW's motorsport division, BMW M, that has been built since 2014. As part of the renumbering that splits the coupé and convertible variants of the 3 Series into the 4 Series, the M4 replaced those variants of the BMW M3. Official website: BMW M
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330CIZHP

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No scans yet. If someone gets SportAuto, can you please put the scans up?

SportAuto's super test came out for the M3 GTS and the lap time came out to be 7:48. That is only 2 seconds faster than the E46 M3 CSL well below the factory claim of 7:40. I was thinking SportAuto will be able to get 7:38 - 7:39.

Something does not sound right. It could be the tires or the track conditions. :t-cheers:
 
330CIZHP said:
No scans yet. If someone gets SportAuto, can you please put the scans up?

SportAuto's super test came out for the M3 GTS and the lap time came out to be 7:48. That is only 2 seconds faster than the E46 M3 CSL well below the factory claim of 7:40. I was thinking SportAuto will be able to get 7:38 - 7:39.

Something does not sound right. It could be the tires or the track conditions. :t-cheers:
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I would say the track condition might have been the major factor. The car would be supplied by BMW M so it would have those 'barely-road-legal' semi-slicks on.
 
330CIZHP said:
No scans yet. If someone gets SportAuto, can you please put the scans up?
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I will scan all the articles next week. :usa7uh:

330CIZHP said:
Something does not sound right. It could be the tires or the track conditions. :t-cheers:
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We've already discussed the tyres question.
@ the weather: the only difference may be the air temperature, they never tests on wet or semi-wet track. :usa7uh: - http://www.germancarforum.com/test-data/67-officiell-sportauto-nordschleife-laptimes-31.html
 
Yeah, something is up with that number.

When E46 CSL M3 came out, it was running very close to (though never beat) the 996 GT3 RS. Now, the GT3 RS 997.2 comes out, M3 GTS is nowhere near that. Sport auto only ran the 996 RS 2 seconds quicker at 7:48 than the CSL.

I still believe the M3 GTS is a much superior track car so either like you mentioned it is the weather or it has become ferociously competitive.

Any word on the LFA lap time yet???



DeDe said:
I will scan all the articles next week. :usa7uh:

We've already discussed the tyres question.
@ the weather: the only difference may be the air temperature, they never tests on wet or semi-wet track. :usa7uh: - http://www.germancarforum.com/test-data/67-officiell-sportauto-nordschleife-laptimes-31.html
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DeDe said:
or semi-wet track. :usa7uh:
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http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/d10/unsecured/media/67005934001/67005934001_72727466001_1803-iLyROoafM78l.mp4?videoId=72683663001&lineUpId=&pubId=67005934001&playerId=73758690001&playerTag=&affiliateId=

Datenanalyse Porsche 911 GT3/GT3 RS: Im Supertest besser denn je - der neue Porsche GT3 | Sportauto

take a deep look at the whole video..
 
hilalpro said:
http://brightcove.vo.llnwd.net/d10/...&playerId=73758690001&playerTag=&affiliateId=take a deep look at the whole video..
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What should I see? Wet handling track is wet handling track. I talked about The Ring and HHR. :usa7uh:

EDIT: I see... Those reflections on the Ring are not puddles. There are brighter and darker surfaces on the track. That's why it looks like it has been rained. :) Some roads are made with that darker surface here in my country as well. They look like it has been rained, even more when it's sunny out there.

Mr. von Saurma mentioned a few years ago that they always try to run on the dry Ring, if they have to wait for the optimal track conditions... well, they wait.
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330CIZHP said:
SportAuto's super test came out for the M3 GTS and the lap time came out to be 7:48. That is only 2 seconds faster than the E46 M3 CSL well below the factory claim of 7:40. I was thinking SportAuto will be able to get 7:38 - 7:39.

Something does not sound right. It could be the tires or the track conditions. :t-cheers:
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...or the driver. Horst von Saurma has been shown to be several seconds slower than other factory drivers in the same cars. And this makes sense. He has only 3 flying timed laps, while factory drivers can lap dozens upon dozens of laps. Some manufacturers do hundreds or even thousands of laps. This not only facilitates familiarity with the car on the limit, but also increases the chances of getting ideal conditions, or close to it. Even on sunny, dry days there can be surface grip variations from one lap to the next.
 
Guibo said:
...or the driver. Horst von Saurma has been shown to be several seconds slower than other factory drivers in the same cars. And this makes sense. He has only 3 flying timed laps, while factory drivers can lap dozens upon dozens of laps. Some manufacturers do hundreds or even thousands of laps. This not only facilitates familiarity with the car on the limit, but also increases the chances of getting ideal conditions, or close to it. Even on sunny, dry days there can be surface grip variations from one lap to the next.
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Thank god someone else has the same idea as myself, I argued this point about the GTR on another forum and got laughed at. You are quite right, with best will in the world these lap times posted are a rough gauge of any car's abilities, in the GTS he might not have been as lucky as he clearly was in the CSL, but I doubt it would drop dramatically.

Sorry to keep repeating this but here is another situation where the GTS appears to not be as vastly improved on the new 'Competition pack' for the normal M3s being tested as we all expected it to be. I wonder why? :eusa_thin
 
footie said:
Sorry to keep repeating this but here is another situation where the GTS appears to not be as vastly improved on the new 'Competition pack' for the normal M3s being tested as we all expected it to be. I wonder why? :eusa_thin
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We don't know how fast the M3 Competition would go around the Ring, but I'm quite sure it won't do better than 7.58-8.00 min. But, we know the GTS is 2,5 seconds faster on the 2,6 km-short HHR which is a great improvement if you ask me.
...and the GTS is clearly faster on the straightline. More than 1,5 seconds difference up to 200 km/h, flexibility is improved in any of the 7 gears as well. :usa7uh:
 
footie said:
Sorry to keep repeating this but here is another situation where the GTS appears to not be as vastly improved on the new 'Competition pack' for the normal M3s being tested as we all expected it to be. I wonder why? :eusa_thin
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And with no idea what the CP's ring time is, how do you know GTS is not vast improvement over it or not?


footie said:
I'm not going to say anything because too many BMW fans hate me enough already.
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And people don't hate you, they just laugh at you and ridicule you. Know the difference and don't flatter yourself. And they do this for exactly for what you did above - passing lies and half truths as facts with out any proof.
 
Did the GTS go faster than 255 km/h?
When CSL was testet the car was limited to 255 km/h and would reach a higher topspeed if the car was de-limited.
 
Just_me said:
Did the GTS go faster than 255 km/h?
When CSL was testet the car was limited to 255 km/h and would reach a higher topspeed if the car was de-limited.
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It probably did, we'll see. I guess it reached 265 km/h, maybe 270... :cool:
 
Sunny said:
And with no idea what the CP's ring time is, how do you know GTS is not vast improvement over it or not?
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OK, let me put it in a way you might understand.

The CSL with only 17 more horsepower and weighing 110kgs less lapped a full 32s quicker, the GTS with an extra 30hp and weighing 75kgs less can only lap 17s. Little over half the improvement against the standard E92 M3, not one equipped with either the M-DCT or the Competition pack.

Now based on the evidence we have regarding the times the CP equipped M3 has done else where, do you believe that the M3 thus equipped will be slower than the standard car? If the answer is no then this gap between the two models decreases even more and make one question how BMW can ask this much for a car that promised so much yet appears to offers so little compared to the stock example.

You can make up your own mind as to which car is performing better or worse than it should be. ;)

Sunny said:
And people don't hate you, they just laugh at you and ridicule you. Know the difference and don't flatter yourself. And they do this for exactly for what you did above - passing lies and half truths as facts with out any proof.
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Sunny, once again your comments could be interpreted as insulting. May I ask, have I ever made comments against your person that should given you cause to insult me? No, then why resort to such things yourself, you lessen the strength of your argument by doing so because it gives the opinion that you have nothing to add so turn to this one and only method of defense.
 

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