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Eni has absolutely nailed it...Audi's predicament is the evolution of a design dna that has been refined to the point of predictability-
It is time for them to break the mold...at least on one model...so as to move the aesthetic forward
in a direction that may offer up a wider range of perceptions as to what constitutes "Audi-ness".

I understand your position, but I don't feel all models are the same. Of course they have their similarities but they each have their own design with in it. The front end which is most noticeable has alot of similarities, but what about the boot, and the side profile? I don't see it!:t-hands: BMW did have problems with their likeness, however the side profile of their whole sedan model range was rather similiar. Whether your in a 3,5, or 7 Series each had the same appearance just alittle bigger or smaller IMHO. If Audi is to make their bangle grill it's trademark to enhance their image, we have to deal with the similarities, which for now I'm digging!:)
 
Eni is more than entitled to his opinion, but I really wouldn't expect any other kind of a statement than what he posted from a hardcore BMW enthusiast. Anyone who stands an objective position as an automotive enthusiast clearly see's the difference between "sameness" and "harmony". Audi is not following BMW's 90's approach to design in the "same sausage different lengths mold. No, instead they approaching design w/ subtle modernity which we have only just begun to see the fruits of (Q7, MK2 TT, A5, and R8). None of those cars by any stretch are "boring" or lack creativity in any way, instead they make use of clean uncluttered surfaces and lines for an emotional effect unknown to German cars previously. I think Audi should be commended for going their own way instead of "follow the leader" as most of every other car company has done w/ in the past several years after BMW launched the E65/66 7er, with exaggerated surfaces that dont' really work on every car (non BMW). Lastly, just because Audi uses single frame grills on all of it's cars does not make them the "same", that's where harmony plays a role, in giving the cars an I.D. as an Audi and nothing else. If that were a defining quality for sameness then all cars would be clones....
 
That chop has a softer front end, resembling the A6. Huclefeldt's chop is sharper and more unique in my opinion.
 
Eni is more than entitled to his opinion, but I really wouldn't expect any other kind of a statement than what he posted from a hardcore BMW enthusiast. Anyone who stands an objective position as an automotive enthusiast clearly see's the difference between "sameness" and "harmony". Audi is not following BMW's 90's approach to design in the "same sausage different lengths mold. No, instead they approaching design w/ subtle modernity which we have only just begun to see the fruits of (Q7, MK2 TT, A5, and R8). None of those cars by any stretch are "boring" or lack creativity in any way, instead they make use of clean uncluttered surfaces and lines for an emotional effect unknown to German cars previously. I think Audi should be commended for going their own way instead of "follow the leader" as most of every other car company has done w/ in the past several years after BMW launched the E65/66 7er, with exaggerated surfaces that dont' really work on every car (non BMW). Lastly, just because Audi uses single frame grills on all of it's cars does not make them the "same", that's where harmony plays a role, in giving the cars an I.D. as an Audi and nothing else. If that were a defining quality for sameness then all cars would be clones....

I'm not going to argue here. :D

Only will give you a few examples.

Sameness:

- look at the shape of A4 sedan, A4 avant, A6 avant, A3 sportback, Q7 rear light cluster
- look at the shoulder line on every model except R8
- trapezoid single grille (which could be done in 1,000 variants if wanted; like BMW do with twin kidneys, or MB with their grille)

Regarding model line design strategy Audi is still on a level MB was in 80s, and BMW was in 90s. And where Infinity is now. Even Lexus has moved a bit further with design individualization through their model line.

IMO.

:t-cheers:
 
That looks exactly like the car I saw in Cape Town...


Too bad, to similar to other models and to draw a harsh line, its like a big TT. Nothing wrong with the design but would be much better if it was a more exciting design. I mean Audi can build radical designs, hence R8.
 
styling combined with the interior which matches its drive is audis main selling point. The normal models are modern minimalistic conservative designs. People absolutely love it. They just need to carry on with what they are doing, and just improve dynamics. If they do that they will most certainly become number 1 premium brand.
 


If this is what its going to look like, i definitely prefer the 3 coupe...But lets just wait see-however i kind of agree with klier-its a bit boring...
 
what Eni is talking about is something i talked about extensivly back in the old GCF forums, and when we first moved here

you see before the current crop of audis, audi was not a recognizeable brand, audis wafted along with the other tasteless and very average cars like lowly VW's, fords, etc..

when audi went premium, it needed a strong brand identity, something it lacked, thus they set up on building one.
to do this they needed to make every single model unmistakably an Audi, and thus the curent crop of bauhaus,weiner styled audis.

these models do not point towards indivuality or specifics, they incoporate a general set of design elements poised to consitute themajor parts of the audi gene pool. say the trademark grill, the clean and simple lines etc.....

the problem with such design schools is that they do not create strong individual identites, albeit they are the cornerstone of powerful brand recognition.

hence as time passes, people can get easily tired by them, especially when a lowly A4 costing 1/4 an A8 ends up looking very similar to it. audi design conveys only 1 message: AUDI, it doesn't convey premium sport in the A4, sporty but comfortable in A6 etc.....

new trends in global eocnomy and especially consumer behavior are towards indivdualization, whether it be being able to buy the ipod in a gazillion collors, or to specify your brand new designer jacket in bird "fur", hence if any morale can be made out, it is you can no longer go by "you can have the FOrd Model T in any color as long as it is black"

Eni mentioned the BMW case in the 90's. BMW was becoming a strong premium brand with powerful brand recognition, and the ability to contend with then established and unrivaled leader emrcedes benz.

the last crop of wiener BMW's the E39, E38 and E46 were some of the most excellent cars ever produced by the company, especially the E39 5, now heralded to be one of the most complete cars ever. but one thing they lacked was individualization. they were all essentially mods on a primary design someone hatched.

the next crop came to ebr evolutionary and models started to get more individual and recognizeable. you could then say a 3er BMW, not BMW 3er as before. the bangle revolution curshed the conservationist bastille, but at huge risk, and it paid off.

now eveyr BMW is so unique that it oozes out a very individual yet very dynamic aura of luxury, sportiness, power, presence, sleekiness etc.....

where does that bring us to the A5?

well audi has succesfully entered the premium market, and established itself a very serious challenger to BMW and MB, at the pace the economy and trends move today, you cannot stretch the process over 2 decades like BMW did (80's 90's), you have to start thinking in a faster pace

audi wa about to enter a new segment it was always ebsent from
that of medium premium coupe, i.e. the A5 or a 3er and CLK competitor.

the chance they have with this car is, rather was, huge, it being a wholly new model that was not attached to anything in the modern consumer's feeble memory.
if anything this was the perfect car to test the waters with a more powerful design statement, to try some new ideas with, to fiddle with the grilll or anything.

the A5 is just another audi if it turns out anything near the present spy pics, and i would then question da silva's ability at self judgement, being that i am sure there are finer designs he has created

with the A5 audi stretched ther brand process a bit too long than needed, and established a wiere precedent for the A5 that would make it harder to break the mold in the near future.

now it is to be noted that not anyone can pull a bangle, it is a very hard and extremely risky procedure, and audi's design progress mgiht eb a lot mroe gradual than we might want it to be, but still for a brand new model with no historical precedent it could have been more than a TT/A4 hybrid.

it's like the maybach issue, MB had a wonderful chance with it, because it has no mdeorn rpecedent, but messed up by delivering a grand mercedes and marketed it as a rolls royce competitor under a name most buyers never heard of.

one more additional bit of my 2 cents, the ubiquitious audi front of gaping grill and rectangular"ish" headlights can only be stretched so far. it is now a great imperative to rethink it in a modern interpretation. i.e. the way BMW is doing with its fronts, keep the main design of twin lamps and twin kidney grill, but modularize and fiddle it as much as possible.

thanks for bearing with my chatter ;)
 
One of the reasons i like Audi is that they follow their own rules when it comes to design and that's why they are the brand that 90% of other manufacturers try to immitate.
So what someone calls boring i call it elegant and i like it. I would hate to see design expirements with my favorite company. :D
 
One of the reasons i like Audi is that they follow their own rules when it comes to design and that's why they are the brand that 90% of other manufacturers try to immitate.
So what someone calls boring i call it elegant and i like it. I would hate to see design expirements with my favorite company. :D

I agree with you 1000%

P.S Thanks for keeping it short!:D
 
One of the reasons i like Audi is that they follow their own rules when it comes to design and that's why they are the brand that 90% of other manufacturers try to immitate.
So what someone calls boring i call it elegant and i like it. I would hate to see design expirements with my favorite company. :D

I agree that Audi has its own unique style and way of doing things, but that 90 percent comment is just wishful thinking. Nobody really pays much attention to Audi outside of interior design/quality/finish. In that area nearly everyone is taking notes from Audi, but exterior design-wise I don't see anyone trying to build imitate an Audi outside of that.

That said, I still think (along with others) that Audi has the best looking linue from bottom to top of any of the German luxury car brands. They all have this conservatively handsome thing going on exteriorwise with a very sheek contemporary interior. For me the S8, R8 and RS4 in that order are the Audis to die for.

M
 
The coupe-like roofline and sleek shape of the previous gen A6 and TT have been copied by many Japanese and American manufacturers.

True some have, and the Japanese will copy anything. Ford also has been a major Audi follower on certain models, but it isn't as widespread as some would think. I forgot about those. I was thinking more along the lines of the other German prestige and/or luxury brands, not the wannabes. Ford did get one Audi's designers I think when the 500 now Taurus was being designed?

M
 
you can see how the lines are very much different to the current A4 which means its based of the next B8 A4
 
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