Sport Auto: Wet Handling Course

Bruce

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Here’s the newest edition to the Sport Auto threads, their wet-water handling course.

This is a rather new addition to Sport Auto’s Supertest so the list

*All tests done with traction control on - See second page of this thread

*All tests done with traction control on

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1:27.2 - Porsche 997 GT3
1:27.5 - Audi B7 RS4
1:27.4 - Porsche 997 GT3RS
1:28.4 - Porsche 997 Carrera S
1:29.0 - Audi R8
1:29.1 – Porsche Cayman S
1:29.2 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
1:29.6 - Maserati GranSport
1:29.7 - Porsche 997 GT2
1:30.3 - Chevrolet Corvette C6
1:30.7 - Volkswagen R32 MK2
1:30.9 - Porsche 987 Boxster S
1:31.0 - BMW M6
1:31.0 - Audi 2.0 TT TFSI
1:31.0 - Renault Megane Sport Auto Trophy
1:31.3 - Audi S3, 2007
1:31.5 - Steinmetz Opel Astra OPC
1:31.6 - Porsche 997 Turbo
1:31.8 - Ford GT
1:31.8 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
1:32.2 - Alpina Roadster S
1:32.7 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06
1:33.4 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1:33.5 - Koenigsegg CCR
1:33.6 - Mazda 3 MPS
1:34.1 - BMW 130i Sports Package
1:34.1 - Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
1:34.2 - Pagani Zonda F
1:34.2 - BMW Z4 3.0 CSi
1:34.7 - MTM VW Golf V GTI
1:34.8 - Jaguar XKR, 2007
1:35.1 - Volkswagen Golf GTi DSG
1:35.6 - Mercedes-Benz SL65
1:35.7 - BMW E60 M5
1:35.8 - BMW 335i
1:36.2 - Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
1:36.5 - AC Schnitzer 6er Tension
1:37.6 - Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG
1:38.2 - Ferrari F430


I've obtained new information on this test which I did not know before!

All of the wet water course tests are done with the traction control systems on - except of course with the vehicles which do not have the system (IE. Ford GT) This helps clarify much.

For example, magazines have stated numerous times before that the TC system on the 997 GT3 is the same one found on the Carrera GT - and that particular system is known to allow a lot 'play' before it's activates. This obviously helped the GT3 acheive it's superb lap times.

On the F430 matter,

I'm not sure If anybody recently watched Best Motoring's test of the F430, but in case you haven't, they ran the F430 on a wet circle track attempting to drift the vehicle - they tried this operation with all five settings and they found the rain and snow mode to be extremely intrusive. I would assume the F430 was run in "rain" mode and that meant the acceleration was extremely limited.
 
Tumbo

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Now this is really Audis "home". Now really if you say something like "oh the RS4 is so hight up there caue of this and that, then you are too much!). Congrats Audi. I can't wait for the R8 time!! :bowdown:
 
klier

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Audiholic said:
Now this is really Audis "home". Now really if you say something like "oh the RS4 is so hight up there caue of this and that, then you are too much!). Congrats Audi. I can't wait for the R8 time!! :bowdown:
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The RS4 is so high because it has 4 wheel drive. Together with the R32, it are the only cars with 4 wheel drive, hence their high positions on this list.


The RS4 and R32 are fakes on this list. Different setups don't count imo.
 
Top Secret

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Am I the only one completely gobsmacked at the GT3's time? That is some feat! You would think that the tailly nature of the 911, light weight and large amount of horsepower would've counted against it, but wow! I can only imagine how much grip that car has.

One question though, is there a set amount on how "wet" the handling course is? I would have to think a set amount of water is on the track to ensure consistent results.
 
MikeJ

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klier said:
The RS4 and R32 are fakes on this list. Different setups don't count imo.
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OK, here's a special list, just for you:

Rear-engined RWD cars:
1:27.2 - Porsche 997 GT3
1:28.4 - Porsche 997 Carrera S

Front-engined AWD cars:
1:27.5 - Audi B7 RS4
1:30.7 - Volkswagen R32 MK2

Mid-engined RWD cars:
1:29.1 – Porsche Cayman S
1:31.8 - Ford GT
1:33.5 - Koenigsegg CCR
1:34.2 - Pagani Zonda F
1:38.2 - Ferrari F430

Front-engined RWD cars:
1:29.6 - Maserati GranSport
1:30.3 - Chevrolet Corvette C6
1:31.0 - BMW M6
1:32.2 - Alpina Roadster S
1:33.4 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1:34.2 - BMW Z4 3.0 CSi
1:35.6 - Mercedes-Benz SL65
1:35.7 - BMW E60 M5
1:35.8 - BMW 335i
1:36.2 - Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
1:37.6 - Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG

Front-engined FWD cars:
1:35.1 - Volkswagen Golf GTi DSG

Happy now? ;)
 
Bruce

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Top Secret said:
One question though, is there a set amount on how "wet" the handling course is? I would have to think a set amount of water is on the track to ensure consistent results.
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I am not aware of the exact amount of water, but according to Sport Auto the water levels are always indentical.

Everyone can see a little section of the course here...

 
Alx

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im blown away that the C6 can handle that well on a wet track... Incredible....

As for Porsche i never expected any less.
 
Bruce

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I've obtained new information on this test which I did not know before!

All of the wet water course tests are done with the traction control systems on - except of course with the vehicles which do not have the system (IE. Ford GT) This helps clarify much.

For example, magazines have stated numerous times before that the TC system on the 997 GT3 is the same one found on the Carrera GT - and that particular system is known to allow a lot 'play' before it's activates. This obviously helped the GT3 acheive it's superb lap times.

On the F430 matter,

I'm not sure If anybody recently watched Best Motoring's test of the F430, but in case you haven't, they ran the F430 on a wet circle track attempting to drift the vehicle - they tried this operation with all five settings and they found the rain and snow mode to be extremely intrusive. I would assume the F430 was run in "rain" mode and that meant the acceleration was extremely limited.
 
GTA45E

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I really think it`s interesting how the SL65 beat the CLK-DTM and SLK55 considering it`s heft. Thats amazing!
 
M

Matt

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tires are really important on this test.....Thats why im just a bit on the skeptical side. However its probably true that Audi and porsche have the best times due to engine/drivetrain set up..etc. Id be curious how the turbo would do on this because its all wheel drive as well.
 
klier

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MikeJ said:
OK, here's a special list, just for you:

Rear-engined RWD cars:
1:27.2 - Porsche 997 GT3
1:28.4 - Porsche 997 Carrera S

Front-engined AWD cars:
1:27.5 - Audi B7 RS4
1:30.7 - Volkswagen R32 MK2

Mid-engined RWD cars:
1:29.1 – Porsche Cayman S
1:31.8 - Ford GT
1:33.5 - Koenigsegg CCR
1:34.2 - Pagani Zonda F
1:38.2 - Ferrari F430

Front-engined RWD cars:
1:29.6 - Maserati GranSport
1:30.3 - Chevrolet Corvette C6
1:31.0 - BMW M6
1:32.2 - Alpina Roadster S
1:33.4 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage
1:34.2 - BMW Z4 3.0 CSi
1:35.6 - Mercedes-Benz SL65
1:35.7 - BMW E60 M5
1:35.8 - BMW 335i
1:36.2 - Mercedes-Benz CLK DTM
1:37.6 - Mercedes-Benz SLK55 AMG

Front-engined FWD cars:
1:35.1 - Volkswagen Golf GTi DSG

Happy now? ;)
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Much better. You can't compare apples with oranges!

Audiholic said:
A T-Y-P-I-C-A-L answer from a BMW biased person that just can't admit defeat. It sickens me.
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At least I made you laugh.





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Centurion

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Great thread:usa7uh:. Wow the GT3 is superb, to be honest I really expected the 911 models to be at the bottom of this list. This just shows that the 911 is still the best sports car in the world.
 
CarGuy

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To me this test does not mean anything. Many cars have very different traction control systems from others which means some are way more intrusive. A cars full potencial should only be tested with the traction off.
 

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