Vs Sport Auto Comparison Test: M3 vs. Audi RS5 review

[Poverty]

Not for me, an Audi is still a rebadged VW. No way they will ever make a better car than M3 in the same segment. Best to stop trying right away, to stop the embarrasing moments.

still sucking off bmw I see.


Its pretty obvious why Audi is struggling so much here. Weight is what is its biggest detriment.

It affects speed, handling, road comfort, and fuel economy. And at 1900kg the audi does pretty well considering its weight, but if audi want to challenge BMW M, they need to shed alot of weight before hand, or give the car a engine than has the strength to give the audi the required performance, which should have been a big bhp turbod lump with plenty of torque instead of this high revving NA which is made to seem rather anaemic when having to tow around 1900kg.

The sad thing is, even the BMW M3 is overweight.


Last night I was out with a sportec remapped TTRS, so just over 400hp and its just as quick as my cupra, like side by side the cars would just stay there dead even to my surprise. The audi is affected by its extra weight and the power sapping 4wd system.

It saddens me that after all these years that audi and BMW are struggling to make cars which are faster than some young upstart kid with his 20k cupra and 2k's worth of mods, when its so clearly obvious what is required to make a fast car.

The said TTRS will be going back for a power bump up to 450hp soon and Im hoping he will leave me behind then, as I have penciled the TTRS as the successor to my cupra.

Its a stunning car, I should have taken some pics, it really does look like a mini supercar and sounds like a mini lambo gallardo!

 

[Mr Robert]

Comparing with modded cars are always hard. The starter kid with his £22k piece of kit will likewise be humiliated by some other kid in a Volvo with 450 bhp for 5k less...

 

[Poverty]

Comparing with modded cars are always hard. The starter kid with his £22k piece of kit will likewise be humiliated by some other kid in a Volvo with 450 bhp for 5k less...

or a 500hp v8 ford cortina in my case. Made me look really silly, and he did so whilst going sideways

 

[south]

Let's try not to digress too much. Thanks!


Best regards,
south

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I've only read the first page, but let me guess. The other three pages contain lots of posts from people trying to convince everybody else to think how they think?

As an M3 owner, I'm completely indifferent to this result. The Audi is a good car I'm sure, as is the M3 and as is the C63 AMG. The degree to which the M3 beats the RS5 is so irrelevant in the every day world as to be insignificant (that F1 analogy doesn't work Sunny I'm afraid, but nice try), but it doesn't seem to stop each camp from perpetualy trying to convince the other fanboys that they are wrong.

This is why I only read the first page as I'm pretty sure beyond that the thread is as dull as watching paint dry.

Anyway, this is me after the M3 won. Imagine how miserable I'd be if the M3 lost.

 

[south]

Anyway, this is me after the M3 won. Imagine how miserable I'd be if the M3 lost.

Let me guess, you still wouldn't give a ****, and that's perfectly fine.


Best regards,
south

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Let me guess, you still wouldn't give a ****, and that's perfectly fine.


Best regards,
south

Sometimes I even think to myself, my God, lighten up Betty!

 

[Poverty]

Sometimes I even think to myself, my God, lighten up Betty!

are you female?

 

[NarutoRamen]

are you female?

Nah, he's a dude. Told me a story about the name, unfortunately I forgot. But the moral of the story was, don't judge a dude by his avatar name.

 

[klier]

Sometimes I even think to myself, my God, lighten up Betty!

are you female?

Sorry, but this made me laugh out loud. Classic stuff.
Poverty.....are you poor?

Nah, he's a dude. Told me a story about the name, unfortunately I forgot. But the moral of the story was, don't judge a dude by his avatar name.

Sweaty Bollocks

 

[NarutoRamen]

As I see it, there is no "inferior" product here.

I'm with you on that. I wouldn't necessarily call it inferior either, because it's better in other ways, but it is a let down in performance. Especially considering how much time they had to bench mark the M3 and the premium over the M3 you have to pay.

Sorry, but this made me laugh out loud. Classic stuff.
Poverty.....are you poor?

Ha ha ha.

Sweaty Bollocks

Aah yeah, that's right.

And before any of you ask.

No, I'm not Naruto


Or a bowl of Ramen

 

[klier]

I need proof you're not a bowl of soup!!!1!1

 

[Poverty]

Sorry, but this made me laugh out loud. Classic stuff.
Poverty.....are you poor?

Well 4 years ago when I made this profile and I was 17, I would probably have to say yes, yes I was

 

[DeDe]

[scans] Sport Auto - Audi RS5 vs. BMW M3 DKG

Scans here: http://www.germancarforum.com/a5-s5-rs5/33643-ams-audi-rs5-test-4.html#post468371

 

[K-A]

Two sweet rides.

Performance isn't a huge deal to my car buying decisions, so it's pretty much negligible here in terms of which I like better.

BMW/M maintains showing why the current M3 is one of the best balanced, most precise Performance Cars of all time. It's HP figures, etc. aren't anything that will shock anyone, in an age with 5XXHP cars popping out everywhere, but it uses everything it has to the nth degree, and them some. A very efficient machine.

If I had to buy one of these cars, I might go M3, as it appears to be cheaper, and better engineered for what it's intended to do.

If I were to choose which I'd like to have given to me, I'd go RS5 hands down, as it is a far FAAR more attractive and sexy car, and I don't care about how much faster the M3 is, as much as I do how much I'll love to just stare at my RS5.

 

[Levi68]

IMHO
RS5 = FAIL
not because
RS5 < M3
but because
RS5 < RS4

 

[footie]

IMHO
RS5 = FAIL
not because
RS5 < M3
but because
RS5 < RS4

Your opinion is as valid as anyone's..........though I personally don't agree with it and for many reasons.

1: You have based this opinion without driving the RS5.

2: You have based this on one comparison between the M3 and the RS5.

3: You have based this opinion on one person's comments regarding his preference on the old RS4.

As a performance car the M3 is exceptional and the 'comp package' only heighten this experience. But comparing a fully loaded car against one with much fewer options is not a true or valid comparison. I blame Audi for this because they should of known rightly that BMW would have brought their most competitive package, which was proven in it's ability to lap even quicker than the normal model without the need for it's R-compound rubber, something that I still find incredible.

 

[south]

But comparing a fully loaded car against one with much fewer options is not a true or valid comparison. I blame Audi for this because they should of known rightly that BMW would have brought their most competitive package, which was proven in it's ability to lap even quicker than the normal model without the need for it's R-compound rubber, something that I still find incredible.

I find it hard to believe that Audi left out anything they considered to improve that particular RS5's performance. Out of curiosity, what options do you think were missing?


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

I find it hard to believe that Audi left out anything they considered to improve that particular RS5's performance. Out of curiosity, what options do you think were missing?


Best regards,
south

None where missing in terms of ability, Sportsdiff (a most), adaptive suspension (great for real world roads though less so important on the track), ceramic brakes (great for weight and durability), sports Recaros (again a weight saving) but it was fully optioned out, thus making the car extremely heavy.

Weight is the one thing that dulls outright performance, both in acceleration and on the lap times, neither of which are that big of an issue in the real world where you seldom notice those few tenths here or there but in a comparison test where facts and figures are so important then the car provided by Audi really did miss the mark.

I understand the improvements BMW have given the M3 but the achievement to post a time better than one equipped with proper R-compound on a track which places huge demard on the tryes is incredible, especially if the two cars in question weigh the same.

 

[south]

None where missing in terms of ability, Sportsdiff (a most), adaptive suspension (great for real world roads though less so important on the track), ceramic brakes (great for weight and durability), sports Recaros (again a weight saving) but it was fully optioned out, thus making the car extremely heavy.

Weight is the one thing that dulls outright performance, both in acceleration and on the lap times, neither of which are that big of an issue in the real world where you seldom notice those few tenths here or there but in a comparison test where facts and figures are so important then the car provided by Audi really did miss the mark.

Let me ask the other way round then: What options were missing in the M3 to make the comparison not 'valid'?


Best regards,
south