Vs Road and Track - 2009 CTS-V vs. 2008 BMW M5 SMG


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How good is the new Cadillac CTS-V? Is it the BMW M5 beater they claim? Can the 556-horsepower supercharged small-block V-8 of this second generation V really match the stunning power and precision of a fourth generation M5 with its magnificent 500-horsepower V-10?

It's going to take more than blustery speech and a Nürburgring's lap time to prove its performance. Instead of waiting a year to do a comparison test, we egged BMW and Cadillac into an early time-attack duel.

Cadillac is the hungry challenger, making no secret that it has benchmarked the M5 in producing its new 556-bhp CTS-V, right down to specifying the same Michelin PS2

To keep things fair we arranged the use of a track that wasn't even finished being built yet and thus one that wouldn't give — driver or car — an advantage. The Monticello Motor Club in New York was still laying sod and installing the front gate when we showed up. This glorious track is long and fast—a perfect venue for testing these ultra sedans.

Cadillac brought hot-shoe John Heinricy while BMW tapped Bill Auberlen. To see what's-what, each car was outfitted with a full barrage of test gear and then the drivers were let loose. Is there a winner, YEP, but you'll have to check back on August 25th to find out if the BMW M5 has retained its crown, or not!


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RoadandTrack.com -- Comparison Tests - 2009 CTS-V vs. 2008 BMW M5 SMG (8/2008)


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No thanks. M5 for me any day of the year. The M3 is renowned as a sports coupe. The M5 is the mother of sports sedans... Have you heard one of these babies take off... It's music to my ears... Simply Bliss
 
I think the CTS-V is the winner, afterall its a new car and the M5 is starting to show its age. The RS6 is the new "daddy".
But I would pick the M5, it looks better and reevs all the way up to 8250 rpm.
 
^ Pretty impressive if Caddy really did win this .....the M5 is the benchmark afterall.
 
C'mon Andreas, we all know the M5 and the RS6 are very different cars. The RS6 (and E 63) trumps the M5 on the autobahn but the M5 is still unbeaten on the track.

Nevertheless, an M3 Coupe with M-DKG makes me forget about all of them. :cool:
 
C'mon Andreas, we all know the M5 and the RS6 are very different cars. The RS6 (and E 63) trumps the M5 on the autobahn but the M5 is still unbeaten on the track.

I seen test where the RS6 beats the M5
 
^ Andreas is going through a small crisis -- his faith in Beemer is being tested ;)
 
Well, of course the RS6 may be faster than the M5 on a track, 4WD and mega hp makes for a track deamon... the thing that makes the M5 special is the driver involvement and feel. It is fast but it does not have the ultimate drivetrain layout for right out speed on track.
 
Well, of course the RS6 may be faster than the M5 on a track, 4WD and mega hp makes for a track deamon..
But a heavy twin-turbo V10 in front of the front axle and an automatic transmission added with the extra weight of the AWD don't really...
 
Wait a minute:

Instead of waiting a year to do a comparison test, we egged BMW and Cadillac into an early time-attack duel.

Why wait a year?
 
But a heavy twin-turbo V10 in front of the front axle and an automatic transmission added with the extra weight of the AWD don't really...

No, it does not, it will be boring and uninspiring to drive but it will be fast, you can rest assured...
 
Well, of course the RS6 may be faster than the M5 on a track, 4WD and mega hp makes for a track deamon... the thing that makes the M5 special is the driver involvement and feel. It is fast but it does not have the ultimate drivetrain layout for right out speed on track.

Exactly. Sports cars aren't just about how fast you get from point A to B, how much fun you have on your way there is equally as important. That is why underpowered car like the Cayman S have received standing ovations and top ratings from pretty much every single journalist.

Despite the RS6's monstrous power the M5 is still the bench mark when it comes to the complete package.
 
And the Winner is..............




























Monticello, New York — Un-precedented. That is the only way to describe this showdown between BMW's legendary M5 and Cadillac's all-new CTS-V. That Cadillac and BMW accepted our invitation to pick the drivers and pit their cars against each other at a neutral site for hot laps and winner-takes-all bragging rights speaks volumes to where these companies are in the sports-sedan hierarchy.

Cadillac is the hungry challenger, making no secret that it has benchmarked the M5 in producing its new 556-bhp CTS-V, right down to specifying the same Michelin PS2 tires. So hungry, in fact, that it agreed to the face*off three weeks before it would allow any journalists (including us) to drive the car.

BMW knows it builds a car all others seek to emulate. It also knows it has a new M5 in the works. Still, the company is game to put its 3-year-old M5 to the test, bringing two versions, a 6-speed manual and 7-speed SMG model piloted by veteran BMW racing ace, Bill Auberlen. Cadillac shows up with a single, jet-black CTS-V with Performance Vehicle Operations Director John Heinricy as the designated hotshoe.

It's dawn and we're at the Monticello Motor Club, 90 miles northwest of Manhattan. The club's grand opening is in two days. Outside the main gate is a throng of more than 100 workers who are being held up — by us. "We've got a little over an hour to do hot laps before I have to let them in to finish up the track," says Jason Bannerman, the track director. For not being finished, the track looks far prettier than most I've seen finished. When it's done it'll be an extraordinary place.

The 3.4-mile loop we used is incredibly smooth and very green. So new, no one has yet done timed laps on it. Bill and John are eager to learn the track and begin circling in borrowed rental cars. A rolling chicane consisting of track staff and a street-sweeper keep them from playing out that scene from Days of Thunder. They're flagged in before the rental cars give out.

The massive construction around the grounds has left a lot of dirt on the track. It's a new surface and will take a few race days to become seasoned. John and Bill are a little apprehensive about some water on the back side of the track that's in shade and also the ever-present dust that seems to be embedded in the surface. They don't seem to worry much as they reach just shy of 150 mph down the main straight on their first run. The first session goes for 20 minutes and the first overall track record is appropriately set by the CTS-V at 2 minutes, 47.55 seconds. Heinricy has countless hours behind the wheel of the car and is right at home; he's also an experienced racer — it shows. The glossy black and chrome of Lord Vader's ride taunts Auberlen into action. He has been racing BMWs for years, but hasn't been in an M5 for four years, yet gets situated quickly. He switches cars from the 6-speed manual to the 7-speed SMG-equipped car and rips out a 2:45.96 and the Cadillac crew cringes. Team BMW is suppressing grins.

Heinricy is confident his 6-speed manual V can run with the ultra-racy paddle-shifted M5. Looking at the stats, the V has a big advantage with 56 more horsepower, 168 lb.-ft. more torque and only a 150-lb. weight penalty. He puts the power to good use and stretches the legs of his V to 149.18 mph and runs a 2:45.55. Our Vbox GPS data shows that both drivers and cars are performing nearly identical laps. With the water patch drying and the sun warming the track surface, both drivers start running cool-down laps between fast laps. It's the last session and it's too close to call yet. Auberlen runs two hard laps and comes in first with a smile. His timing beacon says he did a 2:44.70 and the GPS data agrees. Heinricy is still out and Kevin Smith of Cadillac's communications is perspiring. The V is flagged in, Smith's stopwatch says it's close. The V ran three fast laps, each one faster than the previous by a tenth of a second. The final one is a 2:44.23, just under a half-second faster than the BMW. Could the M5 go quicker? Maybe. But for now we'll have to let the track get back to its construction.

Cadillac won by the skin of its teeth and all the participants walked away happy. Cadillac has made a CTS-V that can best the BMW M5 for likely the cost difference of a Chevy Malibu, while BMW knows its 3-year-old M5 is still close competition for the newest CTS-V. I'm sure BMW will be glad to raise the bar again with the next M5, but for now the V is king.



RoadandTrack.com -- Comparison Tests - Comparison Test: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V vs. 2008 BMW M5 SMG (10/2008)


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Re: And the Winner is..............

It's an american mag ?
 
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