New Audi engines: 1.8 TFSI and 2.8 V6 Valvelift FSI.

Yperion

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According to Italian blog Autoblog, Audi will present two new engines this fall. The first one will be a 1.8 TFSI and the second one a 2,8 lt V6 FSI with a system of variable valve timing (called ValveLift).

The Valvelift made it's debut in the engine of the Audi Roadjet Concept, whose 3,2 V6 FSI was able to develop 300 hp at 7.000 rpm and 330 Nm of torque at 4.500.

Google translation of the article: http://translate.google.com/tr...tools
 
Andaluz

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If my calculation is correct...

...that means 93,75 Bhp per litre. That's not bad at all for a normally aspirated 3.2 V6 24V engine.

Audi impresses me again.:usa7uh:
 
Yperion

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New 1.8-liter turbo engine for the Audi A3

Audi has announced a new 1.8-liter turbo engine for the A3. We talked about it a couple of weeks ago, together with a 2.8 V6 FSI ValveLift, but now it's official: 160 PS; 250 Nm of torque; top speed of 220 km/h; 8,2 seconds from 0-100 km/h and a price about 500 € higher compared to the A3 2.0 FSI.

This new turbo-charged engine will probably be present soon all over the Volkswagen-Audi Group's brands. According to Autoweek.nl it should become the base engine for the new TT.

Source: http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/415/nuovo-motore-18-turbo-per-la-audi-a3
 
Snake Vargas

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What benefits does this bring over the 1.4 TSI engine? It sounds very similar in terms of output, and despite different approaches, both being forced induction should give them similar driving characteristics as well.

Is it just that "1.8" sounds better than "1.4" when you're buying a more prestigious car?
 
Snake Vargas

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Luw - I meant the 1.4 Twincharger (supercharger + turbo) engine now in Golf GTs and other VAG cars. It produces around 170PS ie. 125kW/6000rpm and 240Nm/1750-4500rpm (which is a pretty good torque curve, actually). According to the UK Golf brochure, in the Golf GT with 6-speed manual, it has a 220km/h top speed and goes to 62mph in 7.9s.

Hmm, maybe for people who didn't know anything about the engine specs, the "1.8" sounds better. For me, the output and driving characteristic wins out.

One more thing - the 1.4TSI has a cast iron block, as small as a 1.4L engine block is. The 1.8L TFSI has an alloy block, I presume? There might be overall weight advantages, or weight distribution advantages; though for engines this small such differences must really be quite small.
 
bmer

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BMWFREAK said:
Doesn't audi have a 2.0T and a 3.2 right now? Why go back to 1.8 and 2.8?
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I don't think these new engines are going to replace the 2.0TFSI and the 3.2 V6. I think both engines are going to get more power soon so there will be place for these new smaller engines.
 
Yperion

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bmer said:
I don't think these new engines are going to replace the 2.0TFSI and the 3.2 V6. I think both engines are going to get more power soon so there will be place for these new smaller engines.
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More engines->more choices for consumers.

In some countries (including mine) taxes are calculated according to the volume of the engine so the lower displacement and the higher the power the better. That means that a 1.8 TFSI is more preferable than a 2.0 FSI.
 
Yperion

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BMWFREAK said:
Very nice indeed.

Yannis, that whole thing that you mentioned about the tax on the engines is not a happy thing at all.
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In Germany the taxes go according to horsepower , here according to engine displacement. You guys in US are very lucky to have low or no taxes at all.
 
Snake Vargas

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It's similar in Australia. The governments would quickly commit political suicide if they tried to do such a thing - outside of the major cities, there are such vast distances between populated areas that you arguably need more powerful engines than in Europe where the population is much more dense (no pun/offense intended :D ).

I suppose that people who travel long distances are already crying out due to the ever increasing fuel prices. In a way, they are intrinsically punishing themselves if they use more fuel than they need to.

Nevertheless, tax to horsepower and emissions is smarter than engine capacity. That would really favour forced induction.
 
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i think the engines line-up will be too clumsy. 2.0 150, 1.4 TSI 170, 1.8T 160, 2.0T 170/200, 2.4 180, 2.8 ?, 3.2 260, 3.6 280...

i think the VW group should really cut down the number of engines, or else the production cost will be higher. for example, they can have different tuning for the same engine. for example, the BMW has 323i and 325i using the same engine, but with different horsepower. unless the new engines have some distinguish features such as low fuel consumption (in fact the old FSI engines also feature this) or light weight, or to replace some current models, otherwise i don't think the two new engines are worth to be here.

in terms of tax, in hk the yearly tax for cars are according to engine displacement--(<=)1500/2500/3500/4500/4500+

so the new engines recieve the same tax as the old ones--2.0/1.8T, 2.8/3.2.
well, 2.0T pays even less tax than 2.8. (1.4TSI is not available in hk)
 
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Yannis said:
More engines->more choices for consumers.

In some countries (including mine) taxes are calculated according to the volume of the engine so the lower displacement and the higher the power the better. That means that a 1.8 TFSI is more preferable than a 2.0 FSI.
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o i remember. eg. in taiwan, 1.8 engine pays less tax than 2.0 ones.
 
Yperion

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The 1.4 TSI will be used from VW models only not from Audi ones as far as i know. So the lineup of engines for Audi will be:

1.6 FSI 115hp
1.8 TFSI 160 hp
2.0 TFSI 220 hp
2.8 Valvelift 250 hp (estimated)
3.2 Valvelift 300 hp

So it's not really that complicated. The new 1.8 TFSI will eventually replace the 2.0 FSI.

Volkswagen's policy to use many different engines is really paying off since it's No1 in sales in Europe this year as it was last year also. The market share of all VW-Audi group companies is more than 20% meaning one every five cars sold in Europe come from the group.
 
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Yannis said:
In Germany the taxes go according to horsepower , here according to engine displacement. You guys in US are very lucky to have low or no taxes at all.
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so why some like BMW likes to use high rev engines? then taxes will be higher~
 

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