Vs BMW M3 Sedan vs. Mercedes C 63 AMG

[DaSilva]

Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

I will never choose BMW becasue I think it's the german car-brand that, of all German car-brands has the least feel of soul and passion in their cars..

other than that I love the way the pipes are put on the BMW!

 

[dyna-niet]

beemer for me

 

[EnI]

Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

I will never choose BMW becasue I think it's the german car-brand that, of all German car-brands has the least feel of soul and passion in their cars..

You are kidding, right?

 

[Sayyaaf]

I wish I can ban this type of threads. Its nothing but flames of war.

Thank god we have members like martinbo here.

 

[DaSilva]

You are kidding, right?

Well.. I can't say that Audi or Mercedes are much better, all of them are mass produced cars and such (and has bearly soul but they have little bit.. but I feel BMW tries to hard with the "perfect driving machine"
I feel insted of making a nice car they alwas makes a good car.. they are just like F1 cars.. to perfect! But in a car like C63 and M3 I take the one with most passion behind.. often those with small faults..

(a Ferrari will "always" be better than a lambo but look:

I want a Nice car Like Lamborghini not Good car like a Ferrari ..
Understand ?

So I guess I'm not kidding..

 

[DaSilva]

I wish I can ban this type of threads. Its nothing but flames of war.

Thank god we have members like martinbo here.

Hehe..
What Mercedes did you say you would buy??

 

[EnI]

Well.. I can't say that Audi or Mercedes are much better, all of them are mass produced cars and such (and has bearly soul but they have little bit.. but I feel BMW tries to hard with the "perfect driving machine"
I feel insted of making a nice car they alwas makes a good car.. they are just like F1 cars.. to perfect! But in a car like C63 and M3 I take the one with most passion behind.. often those with small faults..

(a Ferrari will "always" be better than a lambo but look:

I want a Nice car Like Lamborghini not Good car like a Ferrari ..
Understand ?

So I guess I'm not kidding..

OK.

Yes, M is becoming a massive seller. BMW expect to sell over 100k units of M3 during the lifecycle.

In this respect AMG & RS are a bit more exclusive.

But not as much as real supercars or supercoupes like Ferrari, Aston Martin, Lambo etc.

Also when a model become massive seller it is prone to lose a bit of its personality - since the marketing demands are stronger: if customers want something, they get it. Therefore eg. this generation of M3 has more Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde split personality: more tame tame in day-to-day drive, wild & raw on the limits. A GT that goes wild on the limits.

Perhaps C AMG & RS4 are not as much prone to marketing demands since they are a bit more exclusive.

It's different making a car for 20k people, than for 100k+ people. 100k is much bigger critical mass - so their needs have to be addressed. While in the case of smaller production number you can count on enthusiasts & aficionados - and so the car can be less compromised.

The numbers have been here around somewhere ... How many C55 did MB sold during the lifecycle, and how many B7 RS4 units were sold?

 

[Sayyaaf]

Hehe..
What Mercedes did you say you would buy??

I luv all the german brands including opel but i have a slight bias towards BMW & Audi. I won't mind any MB except the A & B Class. And I tend to believe that this kind of comparisons should be left to the profissionals (Honest car journalists) that can test cars neck to neck.

 

[Cashmere]

I agree with Maserati. These type of threads are pretty much pointless and certainly do show lots of pointless and immature comments/thoughts.

Personally based on looks alone I would definitely take the C63, (they have clearly outdone BMW here, I also hope BMW have realised that there's more ways of making a car look aggressive than just putting a big bonnet bulge and darth vader mirrors). Waiting for a track shoot out to judge overall performance of a car.

I think BMW should be more concerned about the C63 'stealing' M3 sales. From the reviews read so far, seems like the C63 is going to have the M3 for dead on a track and a straight line (I hope im wrong though).

 

[LaArtist]

daymn the results are not what i expected...

 

[ree]

daymn the results are not what i expected...

The result was what I expected - but I didn't expect, that there will be so many responses and votes!!!

Great guys - keep on going!!!

 

[Deleted member 25]

Well.. I can't say that Audi or Mercedes are much better, all of them are mass produced cars and such (and has bearly soul but they have little bit.. but I feel BMW tries to hard with the "perfect driving machine"
I feel insted of making a nice car they alwas makes a good car.. they are just like F1 cars.. to perfect! But in a car like C63 and M3 I take the one with most passion behind.. often those with small faults..

(a Ferrari will "always" be better than a lambo but look:

I want a Nice car Like Lamborghini not Good car like a Ferrari ..
Understand ?

So I guess I'm not kidding..

I exactly understand your point of view but i think your examples are wrong, Audi for me is the epitome of super well made cars that lacks...something. That's why i prefer bimmers over audis and Ferrari (how on earth can you say a Maranello monster lacks passion ) over the audised Lambos.

 

[DaSilva]

I exactly understand your point of view but i think your examples are wrong, Audi for me is the epitome of super well made cars that lacks...something. That's why i prefer bimmers over audis and Ferrari (how on earth can you say a Maranello monster lacks passion ) over the audised Lambos.

A Ferrari dosn't lack passion but the Lambo gots 2 tons more and that comes mostly along with the 2 ton extra pounds by weights!

But this are all just meanings..

 

[Zafiro]

I think BMW should be more concerned about the C63 'stealing' M3 sales.

Doesnt matter what carmags verdict will be. People make their own choices. During its lifetime M3 E46 sold 90.000 cars. Now both M3 Sedan and Coupe are here and it will easily beat 90.000 cars in a few years. CLK/C63 wont beat M3 in sales. M is more powerful and with a greater history and that will sell.
Same case with let say S-class. A8 or 7er will never beat S-class in sales, doesn't matter how good these cars, S-class will always be number one. Brand image sell, carreviews don't.

 

[LaArtist]

The result was what I expected - but I didn't expect, that there will be so many responses and votes!!!

Great guys - keep on going!!!

Well yeah, given the design it was expected..
but i thought that ppl would bypass that and look at the legend that M3 is...

But i guess not.. design means alot to ppl these days..

 

[Sunny]

Well yeah, given the design it was expected..
but i thought that ppl would bypass that and look at the legend that M3 is...

But i guess not.. design means alot to ppl these days..

The poll just shows that the sum of Audi fans and Mercedes fans in this forum is greater than BMW fans. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Sunny]

Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG

I will never choose BMW becasue I think it's the german car-brand that, of all German car-brands has the least feel of soul and passion in their cars..

other than that I love the way the pipes are put on the BMW!

That is ironical.
That is my biggest complain against Audi. While being wonderful cars, they are always over engineered and lacks "soul". Both in the design and the way they drive - everything is precise and there is nothing out of place. BMW, at least since the bangle era has been anything but that on the design side. And of course the way they drive has always been anything but soul less...

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[Deutsch]

E90 M3, because it's an M3 sedan. I don't like coupes as much as I do four doors, hence the reason for my choice.

 

[Mr Robert]

The poll just shows that the sum of Audi fans and Mercedes fans in this forum is greater than BMW fans. Nothing more, nothing less.

Truth told. Period.

 

[Merc1]

Hmmmm ...

This time?

BMW is offering a M3 sedan again - after 10 years of absence in this segment. IMO MB should be worried. And Audi as well - although the B7 RS4 is already out of production, and we have to wait till B8 RS4 arrives. And even Lexus IS-F start will be more difficult due M3 sedan availability.

Like PCV said - many C55 & RS4 customers will now be tempted to finally experience the legend (M3 sedan), or the complete newcomer (IS-F). Although in USA some can even pick IS-F instead of M3 sedan. Except if they want a manual.

I'm talking about the customers who want a sedan in this segment, and do not buy coupes. And such customers skipped BMW due the M3 absence (eg. M5 was too expensive), and went to MB or Audi for C55 or RS4.

Now - with M3 sedan - available they have an opportunity to come (back?) to BMW. And with a manual - something C63 does not offer, neither does IS-F, and this can be additional advantage for M3 sedan. And RS4 is not available for the next eg. 2 years.

If I were MB I would be very worried. Especially because BMW is launching M3 sedan at the same time point as C63 is coming - so no timing advantage for C63. And M3 E90 is coming with stick (and later with DCT), while C63 is offering AT only right now (DCT also coming - according to rumors).

This time MB has a disadvantage ... C AMG getting new competition that was not available before: M3 sedan, and IS-F.
Especially Lexus is tempting if wanting an AT - at least in USA (I guess the largest market for high-performance sedans).

Poor MB.

Yet all of this won't matter one bit once the car lands here and sales begin. Both cars are going to be flying off dealer lots..if anything the Lexus (new to the segment) will have a "problem". "Poor MB", ha..right. MB customer don't want to row their own gears anyway so a M3 with 4-door isn't going to change that.

M