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FIRST DRIVES 718 Boxster/Cayman

Discussion in 'Porsche Boxster' started by tristatez28lt1, Dec 15, 2015.

  1. tristatez28lt1

    tristatez28lt1 Well-Known Member

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    I translated from Autobild:

    Renaming Boxster and Cayman to 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman. Base engine will be a four cylinder. Big change is also the pricing. The once revolutionary pricing structure of having the coupe higher priced than convertible (first in industry) gets an overhaul: The Boxster will be more expensive than the Cayman. Coupe will be 1500 euro cheaper. The switch to the single turbo four cylinder was difficult enough as the NA 6 cylinder was already a very tight fit. A 6 cylinder turbo would not have fit. Two versions: base: 2L 300hp, 360Nm, S model: 2.5L 340hp, 400Nm+, GTS model 365hp, 400Nm+.

    Advantages of the downsizing: 100Nm more with 1L less fuel consumption. The Boxster becomes even faster: 0-100 km/h in 4.9 sec and top speed of over 280 km/h.

    The 2L engine sounds great. Rough, high pitched and loud with the sports exhaust. The 2.5L sounds lower in tone with more bass and sonorous. The 2L wins the exhaust sound battle according to Autobild. Subjectively there was little to notice in terms of power difference between the two models. The small engine feels more eager to rev, more spontaneous in general. Even with VTG the big engine takes more time to spool. After 4000 rpm, it however pulls very hard.

    Sport Chrono packet includes the black dynamic button that sharpens the drivetrain just as in the 991.2. 20 seconds of overboost and higher redline are then available.

    Whoever wants the 6 cylinder 981 must act quickly because the 982 (this new Boxster/Cayman) will not offer it anymore. They changed the internal model number as the engineers believe they really changed more things than just a facelift.

    Changes are also on the interior where the vents now work more silently. Matrix LEDs, HUD and a more intuitive infotainment system are coming with the 983 in 2020.

    The steering is now more direct with 2.5 turn lock to lock. The front brakes are from the Carrera S and the 718 base receives the brakes from the old 981 Boxster S. The rear was constructed new to accommodate the new engine and fulfill thermic challenges. Ride was therefore improved.

    Even the base suspension is very well damped. The optional PASM is even better when it comes to short rough patches. Balance and smoothness are the main words that come to mind. Even ruts in the snow did not make for dangerous steering inputs-very smooth handling and steering.
     
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    • donkeykong

      donkeykong Well-Known Member

      I wonder what Porsche will do with the Boxster Spyder and the Cayman GT4. Will they be updated or are they one offs?
       
    • Sunny

      Sunny Well-Known Member Staff Member GCF Guru

      Considering the success, I will be very surprised if there isn't a new one. Just not sure, what will power it.
       
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      • donkeykong

        donkeykong Well-Known Member

        I think for the sake of purity,very much like the alleged 911R,if they are to be updated they will remain N/A. I know I'm being hopeful at best,but your point on it's success should play a factor.
         
      • Merc1

        Merc1 Well-Known Member Contributing Member

        I just can't believe they're getting ride of the 6-cylinder. Seems like a big mistake to me.

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        • Rolf

          Rolf Well-Known Member

          I think alot of Porsche enthusiasts will be disappointed they will be getting rid of the 6-cylinder engine as its a benchmark powertrain already and surely switching to a 4-cylinder will mean less refinement, loss of engine character (noise) and also not as responsive to throttle inputs as the NA 6.
           
        • Merc1

          Merc1 Well-Known Member Contributing Member

          I almost wished they had just done a new, cheaper model under the Boxster with all 4-cylinder power or at least make the 4-cylinder just the base engine on the Boxster, but of course still offer the 6 for the upper range models. Now I would bet you're going to have to get a GT4 or Spyder model in the future to get a 6, unless they're going just discontinue those altogether?

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          • Rolf

            Rolf Well-Known Member

            Can't understand why they just didn't fit the new 911 smaller turbo six to these models and keep the 4 cylinder for a new base model rather, surely Porsche are not thinking of economics as the 6 cylinder will be used in almost all it's other future models?
             
          • martinbo

            martinbo Global Moderator / Editor Staff Member

            If you have the means and desire, buy a 981 right now. As good as the 982's boxer 4 may be in terms of numbers, it's not going to be a patch on the sonorous, tuneful flat six in the 981.

            991.2 gets a reprieve because the flat six is retained and they've managed to get the twin turbo acoustics to work well. A single turbo flat four won't come close to matching the sheer hedonism of the big-lunged NA boxer six, I'm predicting.
             
          • martinbo

            martinbo Global Moderator / Editor Staff Member

            Oviaas. It will never, ever fit.
             
          • tristatez28lt1

            tristatez28lt1 Well-Known Member

            Yes, that is the reason. Porsche initially thought about a biturbo 4 cylinder but that also did not fit. The only possible combination with a turbo was a single turbo very compact 4 cylinder. Once Porsche releases their great cut through images we will see how nicely they packaged the 4 cylinder. A 6 cylinder turbo was an impossibility from the beginning.
             
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            • tristatez28lt1

              tristatez28lt1 Well-Known Member

              I translated from Auto Motor und Sport:

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              Reason for the change in powerplants was not to increase performance. The need to reduce the CO2 emissions of the fleet was the main reason. This according to Matthias Hofstetter (project manager for sports cars). However, he emphasizes that the engine turned out better than they thought and increases the car in every aspect. "We made something great!"

              The 2.5L does not sound as full as the 6 cylinder but it has its own very nicely pitched sound. Reminds of the 356 Carrera and totally fits the new car. Fans of the 6 cylinder do not have to worry about the new 4 cylinder engine. Much more torque makes for effortless but very sporty feeling. Because of the added power, the brake system had to be modified and made stronger.

              The steering is 10% more direct and steers very nicely even in the snow. The optional PASM suspension makes for a very comfortable ride. More comfortable than the 981.

              The new overboost button (as it is in the 991.2) makes for exhilarating driving. (20 sec duration). Perfect for overtakes or some fun in the snow.

              The complete rear of the car was designed new to accommodate the complicated turbo with VTG. The engine mounts changed from three to four points. Also there was no room for direct intercooler cooling. Porsche therefore employs an indirect cooling of the intercoolers with water. The engineers joked that the engine compartment is so full that you can't even fit an apple.

              Weight is quoted between 1315kg up to 1400kg.
               
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              • martinbo

                martinbo Global Moderator / Editor Staff Member

                I knew it - no air-to-air intercooling. Charge intercooling is adopted instead. Another contributing factor for the increase in weight.
                 
              • Rolf

                Rolf Well-Known Member

                So this new engine is it a normal inline 4 and not a boxer flat 4cylinder?

                If it's a boxer 4 cylinder then it will have a much better sound than an inline 4, Subaru style wobble.:D
                 
              • Giannis

                Giannis Global Moderator / Editor Staff Member

                Boxer.
                 
              • Mr Robert

                Mr Robert Global Moderator Staff Member

                Ah, the very distinct sound of a tuned Subaru, like a fishing boat! *fomp-fomp-fomp-fomp*
                 
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                • Rolf

                  Rolf Well-Known Member

                  Ok lets not hope it is the other extreme and sounds a bit like a VW Beetle, weeeeeezzz, brrr brrr
                   
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                  • Mr Robert

                    Mr Robert Global Moderator Staff Member

                    I never knew if that was the sound of the engine or loose mechanical parts rattling around in there...
                     
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                    • Porsche Guy

                      Porsche Guy Well-Known Member

                      No one has driven this car! Reviews for the 991.2 with its turbo setup have been solid. All of this chatter about "loss of refinement" and "responsiveness" is cliche and uninformed.
                       
                    • Rolf

                      Rolf Well-Known Member

                      I am talking about comparing a 4 cylinder turbo with a 6 cylinder NA engine the reason why I mentioned it will mean loss of refinement and responsiveness. Sure we will have to wait for the proper driving reviews to get the final verdict but my comment is general as this is common when comparing these 2 types of engines. The same happened when BMW dropped the six in the 330i for a turbo 4 in the 328i.
                       
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